WA BEARS

[Wb1234]

None of this addresses what my concern about the bet was. My concern would be how we'd actually find out whose name the license is in, because that's what the bet would really rest on.

BTW, they've had 4-5 opportunities to negotiate in the past and refused to move on those non-negotiables every single time, so what makes it different this time?

There's also been no actual discussions about a merger so far. That might change in the future, but currently there's nobody for them to split ownership with.

Negotiate with who ? Manly

central coast was fine adopting the bears and letting them own it

Perth is different

the wa govt will demand a control stake to ensure they aren’t left with a white elephant after they spent 150 million on upgrades

 

[Wb1234]

Total ownership of the license is one of their non-negotiables.

The license has to be in their name or no deal.

Disagree

that’s the one they will have to negotiate on

if they don’t nobody will agree

not png not nz2

 

[Perth Red]

Semantics

obviously it’s not going to be called north Sydney

Perth bears in black and red (throw some yellow instead of the white)

minimum bears are going to accept is one game at nso

that and their ownership share can vary to 25 percent

and unless the wa govt are dopes they aren’t going to spend 150 million on hbf park with the possibility of the club moving back to Sydney

they will demand a controlling interest and there will be conditions in the license banning this

If bears offered that I could live with it and would support the club. But they won’t, I know they won’t, everyone knows they won’t, they’ve said they won’t, except you who thinks for no apparent reason they will lol

wa govt wont have any ownership of the club. They will back the bid they feel is the safest long term option for the game here.

bears best bet is a twenty team comp and them going to Adelaide. They could own the thing lock stock and barrel and do what they like within reason. Adelaide doesn’t have bids, a supportive govt or many corporates so bears can own it there.

perths stong enough to stand alone and I can’t see any way they could be part of a pasifika club.

 

[Wb1234]

If bears offered that I could live with it and would support the club. But they won’t, I know they won’t, everyone knows they won’t, they’ve said they won’t, except you who thinks for no apparent reason they will lol

wa govt wont have any ownership of the club. They will back the bid they feel is the safest long term option for the game here.

Not the wa govt but they will ensure the bid has majority Perth ownership

and it’s not the bears offering but the bears willl realise the limitations of their position

bears don’t even need any ownership at all but 25 to 40 percent would be a good result for them on top of the colours and bears name being revived and one or two home games

I prefer a png bid but this is how I think Perth makes their bid bulletproof

I suspect there is going to be a lot of negotiations now for team 18

and I still expect an nz bid to come out of the woodwork too now with all the publicity

 

[Perth Red]

Not the wa govt but they will ensure the bid has majority Perth ownership

and it’s not the bears offering but the bears willl realise the limitations of their position

bears don’t even need any ownership at all but 25 to 40 percent would be a good result for them on top of the colours and bears name being revived and one or two home games

I prefer a png bid but this is how I think Perth makes their bid bulletproof

I suspect there is going to be a lot of negotiations now for team 18

and I still expect an nz bid to come out of the woodwork too now with all the publicity

I’d hope so and they shouldn’t choose any bid to back that doesn’t have that.

maybe, but past hsitory would suggest they won’t. Current tone of their statements suggest they won’t.

 

[The Great Dane]

Negotiate with who ? Manly

central coast was fine adopting the bears and letting them own it

Perth is different

the wa govt will demand a control stake to ensure they aren’t left with a white elephant after they spent 150 million on upgrades

Well you've just crossed completely into fantasyland.

The WA gov aren't looking into ownership of a club, they're deciding which bid to endorse.

The Bears have only had initial discussions with the WA gov, and those were about what subsidies the WA gov would offer the Bears to base a team in WA. In other words, as things stand, the Bears would be 100% owners of that team, it'd just be based in Perth and play some percentage of games at HBF.

When people discuss the possibility of the Bears splitting ownership in Perth they're discussing the possibility of a merger between them and a consortium, in this case from Perth. Though it's possible that could happen, and it's only a matter of time before those discussions are had IMO, those discussions haven't happened yet as far as we know publicly.

The Bears have also stated that though they're open to any opportunity, they won't agree to any partnership or deal that doesn't meet those non-negotiables, and they're going to present a bid regardless of whether or not they have a partner or endorsement.

Disagree

that’s the one they will have to negotiate on

if they don’t nobody will agree

not png not nz2

Well then they're not going to agree to merge with any entity from those markets because they'll never, ever, move on that one after what happened in the Northern Eagles fiasco.

Not to matter though, because they don't need a partner to bid anywhere they like, and their plan A for this expansion round has always been to go it alone anyway. They'll ask the NRL where they want them to be, PVL will tell them, they'll base their bid in that location, and odds are they'll win the license no matter the quality of the competition.

 

[The Great Dane]

Not the wa govt but they will ensure the bid has majority Perth ownership

How would they do that?

They don't have the power to force a situation where there's a "Perth Bears" bid that's majority owned by a local consortium. They can say that they'd prefer that to happen, but they can't make it happen.

 

[Wb1234]

Well you've just crossed completely into fantasyland.

The WA gov aren't looking into ownership of a club, they're deciding which bid to endorse.

The Bears have only had initial discussions with the WA gov, and those were about what subsidies the WA gov would offer the Bears to base a team in WA. In other words, as things stand, the Bears would be 100% owners of that team, it'd just be based in Perth and play some percentage of games at HBF.

When people discuss the possibility of the Bears splitting ownership in Perth they're discussing the possibility of a merger between them and a consortium, in this case from Perth. Though it's possible that could happen, and it's only a matter of time before those discussions are had IMO, those discussions haven't happened yet as far as we know publicly.

The Bears have also stated that though they're open to any opportunity, they won't agree to any partnership or deal that doesn't meet those non-negotiables, and they're going to present a bid regardless of whether or not they have a partner or endorsement.

Well then they're not going to agree to merge with any entity from those markets because they'll never, ever, move on that one after what happened in the Northern Eagles fiasco.

Not to matter though, because they don't need a partner to bid anywhere they like, and their plan A for this expansion round has always been to go it alone anyway. They'll ask the NRL where they want them to be, PVL will tell them, they'll base their bid in that location, and odds are they'll win the license no matter the quality of the competition.

Wanna bet ?

 

[Wb1234]

How would they do that?

They don't have the power to force a situation where there's a "Perth Bears" bid that's majority owned by a local consortium. They can say that they'd prefer that to happen, but they can't make it happen.

They are literally assessing bids right now bro

 

[The Great Dane]

Wanna bet ?

You seriously want to bet whether or not the WA government will buy into an NRL club?

You really don't understand what's actually happening do you.

They are literally assessing bids right now bro

Assessing which to endorse as their preferred bid, not which they'd like to buy into!

Their endorsement isn't the be all and end all anyway. You don't need their endorsement to present a bid to the NRL, and they'll accept whoever wins the license anyway.

 

[Wb1234]

You seriously want to bet whether or not the WA government will buy into an NRL club?

You really don't understand what's actually happening do you.

Assessing which to endorse as their preferred bid, not which they'd like to buy into!

Their endorsement isn't the be all and end all anyway. You don't need their endorsement to present a bid to the NRL, and they'll accept whoever wins the license anyway.

I’ve explained that the wa govt will be choosing their preferred bidder from Perth

your retisence on having a bet is really amusing

 

[Perth Red]

Previously Sage has said no, Puddy has said no. Cumins has said they’d be willing to talk to them but are ready to go it alone. Doesn’t sound like people are falling over themselves, at least in perth.

 

[The Great Dane]

I’ve explained that the wa govt will be choosing their preferred bidder from Perth

That's absolutely not what you've been saying lol.

You're bet was predicated on either ownership of the club or license, it was never clear.

your retisence on having a bet is really amusing

You haven't been at all clear on what exactly it is that we'd be betting on.

 

[The Great Dane]

Previously Sage has said no, Puddy has said no. Cumins has said they’d be willing to talk to them but are ready to go it alone. Doesn’t sound like people are falling over themselves, at least in perth.

Cumins would never give up what the Bears are asking for. I wouldn't be surprised if he wouldn't even give them the brand.

I bet that when he hears about a potential merger with the Bears he's imagining that they take minority ownership of the club, get a rep or two on the board, and it cements junior development and a pro-pathway from NSO to the Perth.

 

[Perth Red]

Cumins would never give up what the Bears are asking for. I wouldn't be surprised if he wouldn't even give them the brand.

I bet that when he hears about a potential merger with the Bears he's imagining that they take minority ownership of the club, get a rep or two on the board, and it cements junior development and a pro-pathway from NSO to the Perth.

all hail the pirate bears lol,

 

[Wb1234]

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Cumins would never give up what the Bears are asking for. I wouldn't be surprised if he wouldn't even give them the brand.

I bet that when he hears about a potential merger with the Bears he's imagining that they take minority ownership of the club, get a rep or two on the board, and it cements junior development and a pro-pathway from NSO to the Perth.

hahaha

so you can understand how this works out when you want

nailed it Dane

lucky you didn’t bet

 

[Wb1234]

That's absolutely not what you've been saying lol.

You're bet was predicated on either ownership of the club or license, it was never clear.

You haven't been at all clear on what exactly it is that we'd be betting on.

I will give you credit though

everything you said about the dolphins has been spot on

good call

 

[MugaB]

Bring the Jets back. F*** the Bears. You bring in the hipsters and Jets is a better logo anyway

Seriously, the logo is just the word "JETS" in a blue oval

 

[MugaB]

Without promotion/relegation NRL will have to find other ways to retain interest towards the bottom end of the ladder. If all supporters were as loyal and committed as Knights fans there wouldn't be a problem.

The answer for the NRL isn't to relegate/promote, we can not afford to treat our clubs this way, if a club drops out of the comp, it usually come with losing that roster, members, fans and interest, i get that UK football has the lower teir comps, but no one watches the equivalent in Aus, its basically a breeding ground for reserves and rookies, it doesn't work the same way, and will effectively kill the participation of the area, north sydney bears and Newtown jets are the prime example,
Fair enough theres a heap of Sydney based clubs, so those two drop away, and its business as usual, but imagine if Melbourne Storm or Brisbane Broncos have to relegate, how do you have a comp that doesn't have them or the Newcastle knights.
And before you answer, one rule for all, there is no such thing as sydney clubs getting relegated, and expansion teams not... it will never ever come to pass

 

[Colk]

Seriously, the logo is just the word "JETS" in a blue oval

Yeah I know. It was a joke.

I wonder if they have any non negotiables?