WA BEARS

[T-Boon]

There has to be a better option than Brad Arthur. He can’t be the face of a new club looking to establish itself. Zero personality and an average or below average football coach.

 

[Perth Red]

See my question above. He bought fairly decent players from other clubs and only scrapped in a 50% record.

vastly different build is needed for the new teams

So who would you say is a better option?

 

[King-Gutho94]

was a roller coaster record:

took over in 2014 after two successive wooden spoons
yr 1 finished 10th, then 12th , then14th

then finished 4th

then wooden spoon

then 3 semi finals

then grand final

then 10th

6 seasons he had a winning %, 2 seasons a 50-50 and 2 seasons a losing %

all in all I wouldn't say the worse. In 10 years made the finals 5 times inc 4 semis and a GF. If the Western Bears achieved that in our first decade I wouldnt be unhappy!

That wooden spoon side in 2018 were tipped to make the Top 4.

He should have been sacked then.

If you want this Perth side to play an exciting brand of footy they won't get it under Brad Arthur.

Chase the collision and front load your efforts areas was his MO.

Tactics left a lot to be desired and lacked a lot of attention to details in key areas.

 

[MugaB]

Nathan cleary wasn't handed his debut by his father it was by Griffin.

By the time Ivan came back Nathan was NSW halfback am I right.

So nepotism isn't an issue as Nathan had already earned his spot.

Fancy comparing him to Jake Arthur the only thing they have in common is they have both scored the last try in the final 5 mins of a GF

That's right Ivan was tired
.....
I am right too, just the optics are skewed

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

all in all I wouldn't say the worse. In 10 years made the finals 5 times inc 4 semis and a GF. If the Western Bears achieved that in our first decade I wouldnt be unhappy!

The crowd thread on L.U. relentlessly drives home the belief that winning games is the only way for RL clubs to thrive and build crowds.

Expansion ventures always prioritize on-field results. Which typically leads to artificial initial success, followed by harsh reality and constant struggles. Best (or worst) example in the UK was Fulham in 1980 who effectively fielded a first division team in the second division. Huge mistake to associate novelty value with winning in the minds of new fans. Impossible to manage expectations thereafter. Growing RL in London has been an uphill battle ever since.

Western Bears would be wise to pursue off-field prosperity first and foremost.

An imaginative administration in Perth ought to be able to trade on general goodwill in their early years. Playing open attacking football might popularize the team more than simply winning. For that reason, Brad Arthur is a good choice as coach. Despite the strictures of others on here, I thought Parra were generally great to watch under him.

Western Bears shouldn't be thinking about finals and premierships until after the club is firmly established. All the more pertinent when some vested interests are keen to see them fail and retreat to NSW.

 

[Iamback]

So who would you say is a better option?

I'd be looking at Michael McGuire or someone that has experience in England too, try and get contacts to bring some poms over.

Also has relationships with quality players through NZ and NSW. Still had to do some tinkering with Souffs and even Wigan had a drought of 10 years when he coached them to the comp win.

I presume Holbrook will be PNG coach because he does the national team and player connections for that job. So I am ruling him out

 

[MugaB]

I'd be looking at Michael McGuire or someone that has experience in England too, try and get contacts to bring some poms over.

Also has relationships with quality players through NZ and NSW. Still had to do some tinkering with Souffs and even Wigan had a drought of 10 years when he coached them to the comp win.

I presume Holbrook will be PNG coach because he does the national team and player connections for that job. So I am ruling him out

Wayne Bennett and Adrian Lam duo, similar to Bennett and Wolff currently at the Dolphins

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

Tactics left a lot to be desired and lacked a lot of attention to details in key areas.

I remember distinctly in the early days of captains challenge an Eels` player being quizzed after the game about what his thoughts were surrounding that new rule (mind you, it had been in for a couple of months) player responded we don`t really have any tactics or planning around that, we haven`t really discussed it.
I was horrified, Brad Arthur lost me after that, can you imagine a Trent Robinson, Craig Bellamy, Des Hasler, Brian Smith - had he been around when it was introduced - not having discussed or have plans around the CC.
I thought it was a very poor reflection on Arthur`s attention to detail to be honest.

 

[King-Gutho94]

I remember distinctly in the early days of captains challenge an Eels` player being quizzed after the game about what his thoughts were surrounding that new rule (mind you, it had been in for a couple of months) player responded we don`t really have any tactics or planning around that, we haven`t really discussed it.
I was horrified, Brad Arthur lost me after that, can you imagine a Trent Robinson, Craig Bellamy, Des Hasler, Brian Smith - had he been around when it was introduced - not having discussed or have plans around the CC.
I thought it was a very poor reflection on Arthur`s attention to detail to be honest.

Thanks for reminding i forgot about that one.

BA is a dope and everything you have said here is 100% spot on.

Its why Parra fans were happy the club finally cut the chord this year.

 

[Foreign Legion]

Mate Wally's Lewis as Captain/Coach is better then Brad Arthur and Wally's retired!