WA BEARS

[Perth Red]

Depends what happens to the would-be and potential consumer after you bury the competitor though.

Your product shouldn’t be dependant on burying competition. Matter of fact it should be strong enough to sway would be and potential consumers from the competitors over in an authentic, organic and genuine way. IE our product is superior in multiple facets such as costs, travel, family, entertainment and general engagement between product and consumer.

It’s smarter to use those said strengths to pull the would-be and potential consumers over then risk simply burying a competitor and then those same would be and potential consumers actually end up going to another competitor instead of your product IE. Western Bears crush Western Force but then the Force fans jump over Dockers or Eagles in AFL as opposed to Bears in the NRL.

Commercial chess and Rugby is doing a fine job in its own self implosion here. We don’t need to waste energy or time for them. Spend that energy and time growing/strengthening our own game/product.

Not so bothered about the fans, most union fans look down on league and not likely to swap. I want the jnrs! If theres only one Rugby (sic) for them to play in WA then we will get more of the kids who are attuned to playing a contact sport over to RL.
Giving union, a sport that has tried to sht on league for over 100 years, a bloody nose in the process is just the icing on the cake.

 

[Mother Nature's Son]

Your product shouldn’t be dependant on burying competition. Matter of fact it should be strong enough to sway would be and potential consumers from the competitors over in an authentic, organic and genuine way

Dream on buddy, most of the big companies in the world get that way by swallowing their competition. Many economists now recognize (after years and numerous different theories) that the collapse in productivity throughout western economies over the last thirty years has been caused by this phenomenon.
No reason why the same reason the same thing couldn`t happen in sport under certain circumstances, does make you wonder if that is the reason why the ARLC has put restrictions on who might buy into the NRL franchises.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Dream on buddy, most of the big companies in the world get that way by swallowing their competition. Many economists now recognize (after years and numerous different theories) that the collapse in productivity throughout western economies over the last thirty years has been caused by this phenomenon.
No reason why the same reason the same thing couldn`t happen in sport under certain circumstances, does make you wonder if that is the reason why the ARLC has put restrictions on who might buy into the NRL franchises.

Nothing to dream. You quite literally reinforced the very point with your paragraph “Many economists now recognize (after years and numerous different theories) that the collapse in productivity throughout western economies over the last thirty years has been caused by this phenomenon.”

We aren’t here trying to produce or reproduce things the way it was 30 years ago. We have data and science to prove what works best now.

Make your product the strongest it can be and use that strength as its selling point.

Not so bothered about the fans, most union fans look down on league and not likely to swap. I want the jnrs! If theres only one Rugby (sic) for them to play in WA then we will get more of the kids who are attuned to playing a contact sport over to RL.
Giving union, a sport that has tried to sht on league for over 100 years, a bloody nose in the process is just the icing on the cake.

You need to be worried about the fans. They’re the ones whose support will make or break a club. No fans, no market then no market, limited corporate appeal = struggles. New fans won’t be sprouted out of the ground they’ll be partial viewers from AFL or Rugby. Western Bears will have a better chance to sway them over by putting on a better product whilst Rugby keeps crippling themselves then trying to directly combat Rugby and putting those people off on the outset. Honey > Vinegar.

Strengthen your product and make it the best it can possibly be. That’s the selling point. NRL is literally expanding again because the product is the strongest it’s ever been therefore there’s more commercial opportunities and because of those opportunities it’s opening up new markets.

It’s not hard to grasp. Rugby Union isn’t even an afterthought in all this.

 

[Perth Red]

Nothing to dream. You quite literally reinforced the very point with your paragraph “Many economists now recognize (after years and numerous different theories) that the collapse in productivity throughout western economies over the last thirty years has been caused by this phenomenon.”

We aren’t here trying to produce or reproduce things the way it was 30 years ago. We have data and science to prove what works best now.

Make your product the strongest it can be and use that strength as its selling point.


You need to be worried about the fans. They’re the ones whose support will make or break a club. No fans, no market then no market, limited corporate appeal = struggles. New fans won’t be sprouted out of the ground they’ll be partial viewers from AFL or Rugby. Western Bears will have a better chance to sway them over by putting on a better product whilst Rugby keeps crippling themselves then trying to directly combat Rugby and putting those people off on the outset. Honey > Vinegar.

Strengthen your product and make it the best it can possibly be. That’s the selling point. NRL is literally expanding again because the product is the strongest it’s ever been therefore there’s more commercial opportunities and because of those opportunities it’s opening up new markets.

It’s not hard to grasp. Rugby Union isn’t even an afterthought in all this.

We have rugby league fans to invest in engaging and will convert the curious. Trying to turn died in the wool ruggers fans to league is a waste of resources. Screw union, let them reap what they have sewn.

 

[Wb1234]

We have rugby league fans to invest in engaging and will convert the curious. Trying to turn dyed in the wool ruggers fans to league is a waste of resources. Screw union, let them reap what they have sewn.

Plus union in Perth doesn’t have any fans

if it wasn’t for twiggy they would be dead tomorrow and nobody would miss them

 

[Red&BlackBear]

We have rugby league fans to invest in engaging and will convert the curious. Trying to turn dyed in the wool ruggers fans to league is a waste of resources. Screw union, let them reap what they have sewn.

Yes, convert the curious which includes rugby fans by delivering a superior product….

Literally what I am saying.

 

[RedVee]

Hindsight:
Any deep thoughts on if you would have preferred Paul Smith to have come in or are you happy with the outcome that you ultimately got?

Deep thoughts? No.

But at the time I would have jumped at Paul Smiths offer. I still have a feeling of “what if?”. Especially at the time of the first few years when ‘do nothing’ was the strategy.

But since Lancaster has taken over as Chair, and lead WIN* board member from “young Mr Gordon” I have been heartened. The couple of times I have heard him speak I have been impressed. I think he wants to lead us back into the semis at least, potentially build the base for a winning club. Obv jury still out on that, but I don’t think he enjoys coming 12th etc…

* it actually isn’t WIN but a Gordon family company that owns that 50%, can’t think of the name, Burkalu or something

 

[Trifili13]

Birketu Pty Ltd is the Gordon family company through which they hold a lot of their investments including WIN Corporation and most likely their 50% interest in the Dragons.

 

[Vlad59]

Nothing to dream. You quite literally reinforced the very point with your paragraph “Many economists now recognize (after years and numerous different theories) that the collapse in productivity throughout western economies over the last thirty years has been caused by this phenomenon.”

We aren’t here trying to produce or reproduce things the way it was 30 years ago. We have data and science to prove what works best now.

Make your product the strongest it can be and use that strength as its selling point.


You need to be worried about the fans. They’re the ones whose support will make or break a club. No fans, no market then no market, limited corporate appeal = struggles. New fans won’t be sprouted out of the ground they’ll be partial viewers from AFL or Rugby. Western Bears will have a better chance to sway them over by putting on a better product whilst Rugby keeps crippling themselves then trying to directly combat Rugby and putting those people off on the outset. Honey > Vinegar.

Strengthen your product and make it the best it can possibly be. That’s the selling point. NRL is literally expanding again because the product is the strongest it’s ever been therefore there’s more commercial opportunities and because of those opportunities it’s opening up new markets.

It’s not hard to grasp. Rugby Union isn’t even an afterthought in all this.

It’s very Sydney centric for a bloke who lives in Sydney who follows a parasite club to lecture others what should happen in a State like WA. I’m sure the locals there have a better idea of what’s required there. Let’s just hope the wWA clubs dalliance with this parasitic mob is brief. I’ll bet that is their intention.

 

[Vlad59]

Not so bothered about the fans, most union fans look down on league and not likely to swap. I want the jnrs! If theres only one Rugby (sic) for them to play in WA then we will get more of the kids who are attuned to playing a contact sport over to RL.
Giving union, a sport that has tried to sht on league for over 100 years, a bloody nose in the process is just the icing on the cake.

This is a good post. Club rugby is strong in Perth as it is in Melbourne. You want to hit them in the junior ranks. Losing the rebels in Melbourne creates a great space for us to be the dominant rugby code of choice there. Kill the force and it’s the same result. They can keep their senior comps. It’s 6-18s we want.

 

[Wb1234]

Deep thoughts? No.

But at the time I would have jumped at Paul Smiths offer. I still have a feeling of “what if?”. Especially at the time of the first few years when ‘do nothing’ was the strategy.

But since Lancaster has taken over as Chair, and lead WIN* board member from “young Mr Gordon” I have been heartened. The couple of times I have heard him speak I have been impressed. I think he wants to lead us back into the semis at least, potentially build the base for a winning club. Obv jury still out on that, but I don’t think he enjoys coming 12th etc…

* it actually isn’t WIN but a Gordon family company that owns that 50%, can’t think of the name, Burkalu or something

Gordon’s are meh owners like the penns for manly

but the dragons aren’t blameless having Peter doust back on the board

 

[Red&BlackBear]

It’s very Sydney centric for a bloke who lives in Sydney who follows a parasite club to lecture others what should happen in a State like WA. I’m sure the locals there have a better idea of what’s required there. Let’s just hope the wWA clubs dalliance with this parasitic mob is brief. I’ll bet that is their intention.

Whoever said I live in Sydney?

You realise the commercial world is similar regardless of where you are or what product you’re selling right? You realise this a business at end of the day?

You casually mention the Rebels collapsing in the following post and yet Storm didn’t have anything to do with that. Union is causing its own demise, league needs not trouble itself with it. Force/Bears same boat. Bears need to concentrate on their own strengths and make their product the best it can be to capture the hearts of potential would be albeit passive fans.

The rugby adult dyed wool fans that Perth Red alluded to might be past it but their kids will latch on. If Bears are the IT thing then watch them draw fans from that space. There’s a perfect sample size of this happening in Queensland a far more aggressive rugby/rugby league area with Reds/Broncos/Dolphins in relation to capturing fans from rugby/private school backgrounds and turning them into Broncos and Phins fans simply because the NRL and in turn those teams are a better product. The kids (regardless of private backgrounds) get on to them and from there their rugby loving parents end up going to games because that’s what the kids want. There’s also a % of kids who end up playing both codes at a young age as a result (school rugby, club league).

However keep doing you Vlad, sprouting your nonsensical opinions from your treehouse in Tasmania buddy. Are you Devil’s fan number 1 yet?

 

[Perth Red]

Western Bears investors we know of so far:

Peter Cumins (proposed chair of the new club) - Accountant and Exec Dep Chairman Cash Convertors
Brian Cumins - Cash Convertors company founder
Terry Creasey - Originally sports marketing now McDonalds multi franchise owner
Paul Kind - TSE sports entertainment and marketing company

2 other un-named as of yet WA investors. Also rumoured comedian Jim Jeffries keen to invest.

 

[Iamback]

Whoever said I live in Sydney?

You realise the commercial world is similar regardless of where you are or what product you’re selling right? You realise this a business at end of the day?

You casually mention the Rebels collapsing in the following post and yet Storm didn’t have anything to do with that. Union is causing its own demise, league needs not trouble itself with it. Force/Bears same boat. Bears need to concentrate on their own strengths and make their product the best it can be to capture the hearts of potential would be albeit passive fans.

The rugby adult dyed wool fans that Perth Red alluded to might be past it but their kids will latch on. If Bears are the IT thing then watch them draw fans from that space. There’s a perfect sample size of this happening in Queensland a far more aggressive rugby/rugby league area with Reds/Broncos/Dolphins in relation to capturing fans from rugby/private school backgrounds and turning them into Broncos and Phins fans simply because the NRL and in turn those teams are a better product. The kids (regardless of private backgrounds) get on to them and from there their rugby loving parents end up going to games because that’s what the kids want. There’s also a % of kids who end up playing both codes at a young age as a result (school rugby, club league).

However keep doing you Vlad, sprouting your nonsensical opinions from your treehouse in Tasmania buddy. Are you Devil’s fan number 1 yet?

Peter Beattie
Katie Jones

@Red&BlackBear

Sydney centric Queenslanders

 

[Vlad59]

Western Bears investors we know of so far:

Peter Cumins (proposed chair of the new club) - Accountant and Exec Dep Chairman Cash Convertors
Brian Cumins - Cash Convertors company founder
Terry Creasey - Originally sports marketing now McDonalds multi franchise owner
Paul Kind - TSE sports entertainment and marketing company

2 other un-named as of yet WA investors. Also rumoured comedian Jim Jeffries keen to invest.

Saw Jeffries at the casino down here recently. The bloke is hilarious. Solid international profile. He’d be good to have on board.

 

[Perth Red]

Saw Jeffries at the casino down here recently. The bloke is hilarious. Solid international profile. He’d be good to have on board.

Is he mostly in America? Cant say Ive really heard of him. He must be doing well though if he wants to buy in!

 

[Iamback]

Is he mostly in America? Cant say Ive really heard of him. He must be doing well though if he wants to buy in!

Yeah lives in LA old school Bears fan

 

[Vlad59]

Peter Beattie
Katie Jones

@Red&BlackBear

Sydney centric Queenslanders

I don’t read his posts. I just flame him. I work on him posting 10 words in response to every one by me and it seems to work. I’m torn between supporting the alliance between WA and the Bears and annoying him. It’s a difficult balance to maintain but it keeps me amused.

 

[Vlad59]

Is he mostly in America? Cant say Ive really heard of him. He must be doing well though if he wants to buy in!

Yep in the US. His humour is highly offensive but funny. Reformed alcoholic and druggie. Loves the Bears. He’s a good pick up.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

I don’t read his posts. I just flame him. I work on him posting 10 words in response to every one by me and it seems to work. I’m torn between supporting the alliance between WA and the Bears and annoying him. It’s a difficult balance to maintain but it keeps me amused.

You’re hilarious bud. If making yourself look like a moron is flaming in your eyes then you need help gramps. Lay off the cheap De Bortoli wine, it’s clearly messing with your cognitive function.