Welcome to the comp, Redcliffe.

[greenBV4]

Where does that sit as opposed to the Knights, Raiders etc? Compared to the other one town teams. That is really the fairer comparison.

why? Sydney is the home of RL isn't it? that's why 8.5 teams is justified??

Newcastle & Townsville crowds are great, hopefully with some success and stability the titans can build a foundation like those 2.
Probably on par if not better than the Raiders

And as shown already the teams per capita is the same as Sydney anyway

 

[Steel Saints]

was bored and did a deeper dive

GC v Regular Sydney stadium H/A Averages the last 10 years (since 2012 plus so far this year & not including the covid effected years of 20/21)

Homebush: 17,675
old SFS>SCG>SFS: 16,555
NRL Avg: 15,911
old Parra>WSS: 14,785
Robina: 13,673
Penrith: 13,466
Leichhardt: 13,062
Cronulla: 12,534
Brookvale: 11,972
Kogarah: 11,822
Campbelltown: 10,613

last year was a worst for the GC, taking a larger data set shows over the last decade they've drawn better crowds to their stadium than all but 3 of the 9 regular Sydney stadiums, if anything it shows they are at least on par despite being perennial losers in a city that has a history of struggling sports franchises

and if you go further back to the previous decade from their inception their average gets significantly better

my point is the Titans aren't the low bar everyone always presents them to be, if they could manage a decent run of success I'd wager their crowds would eclipse the smaller Sydney clubs

The last six grounds you’ve mentioned, not one of them is a 27,000 all seater like Robina.

In the old days of suburban grounds, crowds would squash in like sardines on the hills. Nowadays there is aisles and spaces for people to walk, so capacity has been reduced/ restrictive.

Along with outdated amenities and grandstands, clubs playing at those grounds are not going to improve their bottom line anytime soon, hence it hurts their potential.

That’s why there is a push for upgraded suburban grounds. Although not every ground should be funded and developed.

 

[greenBV4]

The last six grounds you’ve mentioned, not one of them is a 27,000 all seater like Robina.

In the old days of suburban grounds, crowds would squash in like sardines on the hills. Nowadays there is aisles and spaces for people to walk, so capacity has been reduced/ restrictive.

Along with outdated amenities and grandstands, clubs playing at those grounds are not going to improve their bottom line anytime soon, hence it hurts their potential.

That’s why there is a push for upgraded suburban grounds. Although not every ground should be funded and developed.

yeah that's the problem, something has to change but I very much doubt it will. The NRL needs to have a stadium policy in place with minimum requirements, I get they are doing upgrades but allowing Cronulla to play out of shark park with a capacity of what, 10k? looks outright amateurish

 

[The Great Dane]

The last six grounds you’ve mentioned, not one of them is a 27,000 all seater like Robina.

In the old days of suburban grounds, crowds would squash in like sardines on the hills. Nowadays there is aisles and spaces for people to walk, so capacity has been reduced/ restrictive.

Along with outdated amenities and grandstands, clubs playing at those grounds are not going to improve their bottom line anytime soon, hence it hurts their potential.

That’s why there is a push for upgraded suburban grounds. Although not every ground should be funded and developed.

Which is, and always has been, a fanciful pipedream that pretty much every Sydney club and their fans use as an excuse to avoid real substantive change to improve the league.

The NRL should have been pushing a centralised stadia model for Sydney since the 90s. Well, that or further rationalisation, but further rationalisation is never going to happen now.

 

[Wb1234]

 

[The Penguin #6.]

Which is, and always has been, a fanciful pipedream that pretty much every Sydney club and their fans use as an excuse to avoid real substantive change to improve the league.

The NRL should have been pushing a centralised stadia model for Sydney since the 90s. Well, that or further rationalisation, but further rationalisation is never going to happen now.

Why don`t we have a yawn emoji response on this forum.

 

[Vibing]

Didnt they make a GF?

Did anyone care ?

 

[The Great Dane]

Why don`t we have a yawn emoji response on this forum.

Reality doesn't change just because we don't like it.

Certain clubs have been allowed to be a ball and chain around the league's neck for decades, and a well run comp with strong administration wouldn't allow it.

 

[Wb1234]

Reality doesn't change just because we don't like it.

Certain clubs have been allowed to be a ball and chain around the league's neck for decades, and a well run comp with strong administration wouldn't allow it.

That’s not a nice thing to say about Canberra

if you want a competition like the afl then that means we have to cut all but two of our regional clubs

Sydney clubs generate the bulk of the tv revenue plus the broncos and warriors

the rest all rely upon them

 

[The Great Dane]

That’s not a nice thing to say about Canberra

if you want a competition like the afl then that means we have to cut all but two of our regional clubs

Sydney clubs generate the bulk of the tv revenue plus the broncos and warriors

the rest all rely upon them

The fact that you're totally incapable of responding to anybody's arguments without blatantly straw manning them reflects poorly on you.

BTW, there're 3/4 clubs in Sydney at any one time that draw the bulk of broadcaster interest. You could take the rest and shoot them into the sun and it'd have little to no effect on the NRL in the long term. Just like losing Cumberland, Glebe, Annandale, Newtown, Norths, etc, had little to no effect on the league going forward, the league just continued on to bigger and better things like nothing happened.

 

[Wb1234]

The fact that you're totally incapable of responding to anybody's arguments without blatantly straw manning them reflects poorly on you.tv d

BTW, there're 3/4 clubs in Sydney at any one time that draw the bulk of broadcaster interest. You could take the rest and shoot them into the sun and it'd have little to no effect on the NRL in the long term. Just like losing Cumberland, Glebe, Annandale, Newtown, Norths, etc, had little to no effect on the league going forward, the league just continued on to bigger and better things like nothing happened.

Tv don’t want Canberra

they struggle for players

so by your argument they would be first to go

no double standard now

 

[greenBV4]

Tv don’t want Canberra

they struggle for players

so by your argument they would be first to go

no double standard now

You're not wrong, but a team in the nations capital is good for the games overall image, if we could pair that with one from Perth and Adelaide we'd have a stronger claim to "being national" than the AFL does

 

[The Great Dane]

Tv don’t want Canberra

they struggle for players

so by your argument they would be first to go

no double standard now

It would have to be my argument for it be a double standard.

Fortunately it's not my argument, it's just your incredibly weak strawman.

 

[Wb1234]

It would have to be my argument for it be a double standard.

Fortunately it's not my argument, it's just your incredibly weak strawman.

Never change Dane

 

[Wb1234]

You're not wrong, but a team in the nations capital is good for the games overall image, if we could pair that with one from Perth and Adelaide we'd have a stronger claim to "being national" than the AFL does

Maybe

but we’re smashing afl without Adelaide and Perth

we could ignore those places and expand elsewhere and be bigger than afl

 

[The Great Dane]

Never change Dane

Don't worry I won't. I don't have time to waste on your anti-intellectualism, definition games, and outright dishonesty.

Seriously, what the f**k do broadcasters and their opinions on Canberra have to do with stadia strategy in Sydney?!

BTW, those same broadcasters were certain that third teams in Sydney and Melbourne would be better for the A-league than teams in Canberra, Auckland, Tasmania, etc, and look how that turned out... I'll give you a hint, it's been a f**king disaster and the APL has had to rush the next round of expansion to try and rectify the problem.

The broadcasters and league's goals don't necessarily align all the time, and the NRL's broadcasters have a very long history of manipulating and taking advantage of them. They've repeatedly raped the game for all it's worth, will continue to do so if allowed, and I really couldn't give the faintest f**k about their opinion 99% of the time.

 

[Wb1234]

Don't worry I won't. I don't have time to waste on your anti-intellectualism, definition games, and outright dishonesty.

Seriously, what the f**k do broadcasters and their opinions on Canberra have to do with stadia strategy in Sydney?!

BTW, those same broadcasters were certain that third teams in Sydney and Melbourne would be better for the A-league than teams in Canberra, Auckland, Tasmania, etc, and look how that turned out... I'll give you a hint, it's been a f**king disaster and the APL has had to rush the next round of expansion to try and rectify the problem.

The broadcasters and league's goals don't necessarily align all the time, and the NRL's broadcasters have a very long history of manipulating and taking advantage of them. They've repeatedly raped the game for all it's worth, will continue to do so if allowed, and I really couldn't give the faintest f**k about their opinion 99% of the time.

They pay the bills

they want Sydney teams they don’t want Canberra

 

[Iamback]

why? Sydney is the home of RL isn't it? that's why 8.5 teams is justified??

Newcastle & Townsville crowds are great, hopefully with some success and stability the titans can build a foundation like those 2.
Probably on par if not better than the Raiders

And as shown already the teams per capita is the same as Sydney anyway

Because not everyone in Sydney likes RL, Hence how there is AFL x 2, A League x 3. NBL, A high % of people born in the sub continent who only like cricket.

As opposed to Townsville that has only Cowboys with the odd game here and there from other sports

As for the per capita.

140k out of 750k on GC attended an NRL game. Roughly 80%

Sydney has 5.3m people. Roughly 1.2m attended NRL games. Add Finals, GF etc and Sydney does very well combined as a city

 

[Iamback]

Tv don’t want Canberra

they struggle for players

so by your argument they would be first to go

no double standard now

Especially as Canberra is a Regional market and offer less than a metro market does, Though RL's strength is Regional markets can compete with the big cities. Unlike most other sports in the world it is why these comparisons are dumb

 

[greenBV4]

Because not everyone in Sydney likes RL, Hence how there is AFL x 2, A League x 3. NBL, A high % of people born in the sub continent who only like cricket.

As opposed to Townsville that has only Cowboys with the odd game here and there from other sports

As for the per capita.

140k out of 750k on GC attended an NRL game. Roughly 80%

Sydney has 5.3m people. Roughly 1.2m attended NRL games. Add Finals, GF etc and Sydney does very well combined as a city

Has nothing to do with the Titans unfairly being presented as some huge disappointment when you compare them to some Sydney teams, which is what originally started this discussion, they are on par, and have the potential to be bigger