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West Coast Pirates Bid News

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Seriously the NRL and News Ltd bailed out so many clubs it is just ridiculous, the Dragons, the Titans, the Sea Eagles, the Titans, the Tigers, the Knights, the Sharks, the Titans, I could go on, Fulton and Arthurson made sure nobody bailed out the Bears. Oh did I mention the Titans getting bailed out lol.
I only did who the NRL bailed out not News Ltd.
Got this information about the rationalisation process from NRL.COM:

Admission criteria

All clubs had to meet a Basic Criteria based on playing facilities, administration, solvency and development.

To determine which teams survived, clubs were ranked for the 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999 seasons on:

  • Home crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Knights, 3. Eels);
  • Away crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Eels. 3. Roosters);
  • Competition points (1. Storm, 2. Broncos, 3. Bulldogs);
    Gate receipts (1. Broncos, 2. Storm, 3. Knights);
  • Profitability (1. Bulldogs, 2. Panthers, 3. Sharks), and;
  • Sponsorship (1. Knights, 2. Broncos, 3. Cowboys).

Clubs were also required to have a minimum revenue of $8 million per season, including gate receipts of $1.25m and net sponsorship of $2.5m.

While the three Sydney clubs who had aligned with Super League – Canterbury, Penrith and Cronulla – were considered the most profitable, every non-Sydney club produced larger gate receipts than their Sydney rivals.

The final rankings were:

1 Brisbane, 2 Newcastle, 3 Melbourne, 4 Canterbury, 5 Cronulla, 6 Sydney Roosters, 7 Parramatta, 8 North Queensland, 9 Warriors, 10 Canberra, 11 Manly, 12 Penrith, 13 Balmain, 14 North Sydney 15 Western Suburbs, 16 South Sydney.

St George Illawarra were not included as they had merged at the end of the 1998 season – meaning Norths, Wests and Souths were excluded from the 2000 premiership.

Mergers and financial incentives

With the NRL offering $8 million to encourage mergers, Balmain and Wests also formed a joint venture, as did Manly and Norths (Northern Eagles), while the Rabbitohs took legal action which led to them being restored to the competition in 2002.

However, the outcome of an appeal against Souths' win in court gives the NRL the right to exclude clubs in the future and the game may need to go through a similar process if it is decided to keep the number of teams at 16 but revamp the competition from 2023.

 

Centy Coast

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Got this information about the rationalisation process from NRL.COM:

Admission criteria
All clubs had to meet a Basic Criteria based on playing facilities, administration, solvency and development.​
To determine which teams survived, clubs were ranked for the 1995, 1996, 1998 and 1999 seasons on:​
  • Home crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Knights, 3. Eels);
  • Away crowds (1. Broncos, 2. Eels. 3. Roosters);
  • Competition points (1. Storm, 2. Broncos, 3. Bulldogs);
    Gate receipts (1. Broncos, 2. Storm, 3. Knights);
  • Profitability (1. Bulldogs, 2. Panthers, 3. Sharks), and;
  • Sponsorship (1. Knights, 2. Broncos, 3. Cowboys).
Clubs were also required to have a minimum revenue of $8 million per season, including gate receipts of $1.25m and net sponsorship of $2.5m.​
While the three Sydney clubs who had aligned with Super League – Canterbury, Penrith and Cronulla – were considered the most profitable, every non-Sydney club produced larger gate receipts than their Sydney rivals.​
The final rankings were:​
1 Brisbane, 2 Newcastle, 3 Melbourne, 4 Canterbury, 5 Cronulla, 6 Sydney Roosters, 7 Parramatta, 8 North Queensland, 9 Warriors, 10 Canberra, 11 Manly, 12 Penrith, 13 Balmain, 14 North Sydney 15 Western Suburbs, 16 South Sydney.​
St George Illawarra were not included as they had merged at the end of the 1998 season – meaning Norths, Wests and Souths were excluded from the 2000 premiership.​
Mergers and financial incentives
With the NRL offering $8 million to encourage mergers, Balmain and Wests also formed a joint venture, as did Manly and Norths (Northern Eagles), while the Rabbitohs took legal action which led to them being restored to the competition in 2002.​
However, the outcome of an appeal against Souths' win in court gives the NRL the right to exclude clubs in the future and the game may need to go through a similar process if it is decided to keep the number of teams at 16 but revamp the competition from 2023.​
And how is this all legit with the Storm being propped up financially year after year and year by News Ltd despite massive losses and their famous two sets of books for their now tainted premiership victories.
North Sydney relocated to Bluetongue Stadium for the 1999 season, the Stadium was supposed to be finished but it wasn’t due to a mistake with the roofing materials and really bad weather that further delayed its completion, due to North Sydney Oval being rented to another sporting license the Bears had to play on the road, mainly in Qld again with no compensation or help from the NRL.
The NRL just wanted certain teams gone during those years.
 
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And how is this all legit with the Storm being propped up financially year after year and year by News Ltd despite massive losses and their famous two sets of books for their now tainted premiership victories.

It's why I've been critical of Melbourne Storm's "success". Everything was handed to them on a silver platter by the company that held a 50% stake in the game. Without the advantages they wouldn't be where they are today.

The "expansionists" on here won't address these facts. Deep down they know Perth won't be propped up for 20 years by News Ltd. The Perth economy has money, but no one in it is willing to splash the amount of money that will be needed to be successful like the Storm. The Gov won't provide much funding. Fewer pathways are available in SEQ these days for a Perth team to exploit.

So how does Perth build a juggernaut like the Storm?

The best case scenario for Perth is to field a team that struggles -- on an off the field -- like the Titans because it will be a small fish in a hostile market.
 

Pippen94

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Its not really that black and white with the Reds. Crowds were ok, but having to cover the away teams travel costs was a financial stab in the heart. (West Coast also had to do this for the AFL for the first year until they realised how stupid this was).

Perth had lowest attendance average in 1997. Also, during superleague reds weren't paying for travel of opponents.
 
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mongoose

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It's why I've been critical of Melbourne Storm's "success". Everything was handed to them on a silver platter by the company that held a 50% stake in the game. Without the advantages they wouldn't be where they are today.

The "expansionists" on here won't address these facts. Deep down they know Perth won't be propped up for 20 years by News Ltd. The Perth economy has money, but no one in it is willing to splash the amount of money that will be needed to be successful like the Storm. The Gov won't provide much funding. Fewer pathways are available in SEQ these days for a Perth team to exploit.

So how does Perth build a juggernaut like the Storm?

The best case scenario for Perth is to field a team that struggles -- on an off the field -- like the Titans because it will be a small fish in a hostile market.
It's just a simplistic view to have for people who don't really get professional team sports. The Storm have enjoyed some benefits and possibly some unfair advantages (salary cap cheating was completely wrong) but they signed a great coach which they got lucky with cause the Raiders stupidly turned him down in 2002. They poached some gun juniors from Brisbane but they still had to give these players a lot of coaching and development. Only dumbs shits think an NRL player is a finished product when they are 17. The Storm obviously have a great front office and work ethic within the club, this wasn't given to them by News or anyone. The club could have fallen into oblivion after News pulled out but they didn't, they built up their membership and sponsors and even rebuilt the team after the big 3 retired and won another premiership.

Now I feel dirty for giving that club so much praise but you're an idiot thinking the people at the club have had no role in their success.
 

Colk

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All the excuses u offer for the reds could apply to cowboys & warriors, but those teams never shutdown. Heck, dolphins & tigers saw their entire comp lose status, but still stuck around..

“Crushers were broke when they entered league. Collection of business ppl. More in common with reds then say dolphins who are Brisbane 2 atm.”


Just remember that location failed. Everything you are writing is a distraction.

Btw I’m sure you will have those excuses ready for all those teams that died from Sydney for example.

Paraphrasing you and your one rule for something, another rule for something else which you are prone to do.
 

Centy Coast

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All the excuses u offer for the reds could apply to cowboys & warriors, but those teams never shutdown. Heck, dolphins & tigers saw their entire comp lose status, but still stuck around..
You miss one major point, the Warriors and Cowboys were not majority owned by News Ltd either.
 

Pippen94

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“Crushers were broke when they entered league. Collection of business ppl. More in common with reds then say dolphins who are Brisbane 2 atm.”


Just remember that location failed. Everything you are writing is a distraction.

Btw I’m sure you will have those excuses ready for all those teams that died from Sydney for example.

Paraphrasing you and your one rule for something, another rule for something else which you are prone to do.

Location is one factor. If twiggy was backing Perth I'd support them, but right now the money is in Brisbane.
 

Colk

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Perth had lowest attendance average in 1997. Also, during superleague were paying for travel of opponents.

Yeah that’s a lie




They had higher home attendances than Penrith and Hunter in Super League. Higher average attendances than the Hunter, Gold Coast, Illawarra, Souths, South Queensland, St George and Wests across both competitions.

You could just put it down to the Super League War and attendances dropping massively across the board (for good reason) or you could just talk out of your a*** again.
 

Colk

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Location is one factor. If twiggy was backing Perth I'd support them, but right now the money is in Brisbane.

Yeah location is a factor but you are implying it is the only factor.

11 teams were shut down across a two year period yet for some reason you have some weird focus on one location.
 

Pippen94

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Yeah location is a factor but you are implying it is the only factor.

11 teams were shut down across a two year period yet for some reason you have some weird focus on one location.

I've always said bid is more important than location. Relying on game day money in afl city is bad business. Now if twiggy is footing bill..
 

Pippen94

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Yeah that’s a lie




They had higher home attendances than Penrith and Hunter in Super League. Higher average attendances than the Hunter, Gold Coast, Illawarra, Souths, South Queensland, St George and Wests across both competitions.

You could just put it down to the Super League War and attendances dropping massively across the board (for good reason) or you could just talk out of your a*** again.

Lowest overall attendance. What I wrote is correct. Superleague paying for travel also shoots down that bs excuse also..
 

Pippen94

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Ah even if you are talking about home & away, they still aren't the lowest. Not even close.

Hunter, Gold Coast, Illawarra, South Qld, Souths, St George and Wests were all lower.

Lol, bringing ARL comp into it!

Average less than 100 more than hunter who were playing at greyhound track with capacity of 10k
 

Maximus

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Lol, bringing ARL comp into it!

Average less than 100 more than hunter who were playing at greyhound track with capacity of 10k

Can you quote the bit where you specify that it was the lowest super league attendance?

Perth had lowest attendance average in 1997. Also, during superleague reds weren't paying for travel of opponents.

But even if you did specify only super league, your post was still wrong.
 

Bukowski

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Yeah that’s a lie




They had higher home attendances than Penrith and Hunter in Super League. Higher average attendances than the Hunter, Gold Coast, Illawarra, Souths, South Queensland, St George and Wests across both competitions.

You could just put it down to the Super League War and attendances dropping massively across the board (for good reason) or you could just talk out of your a*** again.
His usual bullshit.
 
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