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West Coast Pirates Bid News

juro

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Perth Red said:
Actually if you read the article you will see that the majority of players favoured or were neutral about expansion (60%). Only 40% were against expanding so hardly a crushing blow is it? Still back to the point, the biggest support for a team from the players was perth which is good news for us as we seek to lure players over for our first season!
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... and according to the article, only 31% of players backed expansion by 2015.

I agree though, hardly a crushing blow one way or the other, and I seriously doubt the Independent Commission would take a players poll into too much consideration when they come to consider the matter.
 
The.X.Factor9

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I couldn't find any expansion thread & Im new here so ill just post what i think here:

2013/14/15/whenever:
-Perth & and the strongest Qld bid

Next batch:

-NZ no.2
-Maybe another QLD team

Work in progresses for the future:

-Adelaide
- PNG
-other AFL states.

*Bears will not be admitted as there are far too many teams in NSW fighting for corparate dollar and this will put more of a financial strain on the NSW teams.

**Sorry in advance if my opinion offends anyone especially if there are people whom are on bid teams who have accounts on this forum.
 
Goddo

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The.X.Factor9 said:
I couldn't find any expansion thread & Im new here so ill just post what i think here:

2013/14/15/whenever:
-Perth & and the strongest Qld bid

Next batch:

-NZ no.2
-Maybe another QLD team

Work in progresses for the future:

-Adelaide
- PNG
-other AFL states.

*Bears will not be admitted as there are far too many teams in NSW fighting for corparate dollar and this will put more of a financial strain on the NSW teams.

**Sorry in advance if my opinion offends anyone especially if there are people whom are on bid teams who have accounts on this forum.
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If you are talking about locations for new clubs, you are pretty much spot on with what the NRL needs. The big problem is how you impliment it, and wether the bids in the places we need clubs live up to expectations.

The other question is: ok, we cap the number of sides in NSW (which is the right thing to do with 10 currently), but what if a current club sucks donkey balls and we have an excellent franchise waiting in the wings?
How do we then accomodate this situation? A relocation interstate?

So, yes, the next 4 licences seem pretty clear cut, needing Perth, SE Queensland, Wellington, Adelaide and a redistribution in NSW. HOW the NRL actually does this will be more complex:

1. Do they admit the Bears and then force a relocation (by financial means) of Manly or Cronulla to Queensland? Or do they just go with the best locations, and bring in Ipswich/Brisbane and Perth?

2. What is the long term stratergy for expanding in SE Queensland, our biggest long term growth market? Do we have a solar system style plan, with the Broncos at the centre with satellite sides, OR do we have 2 or more "Brisbane" teams? How do we see each stratergy working in terms of market share and TV exposure? What is the end state, 5 teams?

Beyond the actual bids, these are the unanswered questions I'd hope are being asked at NRL headquarters.
 
flippikat

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Goddo said:
So, yes, the next 4 licences seem pretty clear cut, needing Perth, SE Queensland, Wellington, Adelaide and a redistribution in NSW. HOW the NRL actually does this will be more complex:

1. Do they admit the Bears and then force a relocation (by financial means) of Manly or Cronulla to Queensland? Or do they just go with the best locations, and bring in Ipswich/Brisbane and Perth?

2. What is the long term stratergy for expanding in SE Queensland, our biggest long term growth market? Do we have a solar system style plan, with the Broncos at the centre with satellite sides, OR do we have 2 or more "Brisbane" teams? How do we see each stratergy working in terms of market share and TV exposure? What is the end state, 5 teams?

Beyond the actual bids, these are the unanswered questions I'd hope are being asked at NRL headquarters.
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That's it in a nutshell.

When the successful bids are announced, I hope it comes along with a statement that shows the way forward for the game

I'm talking about things like an irresistible incentive for Sydney clubs to relocate, a development plan for successful bids (like the AFL has done with the Suns & Giants playing in minor leagues before their top tier debut), and a constructive plans for the unsuccessful bids so they can one day play in the NRL.

Just saying "Bid X, Bid Y - you're in.. bad luck to the rest" will not suffice.
 
S.S.T.I.D

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Most certainly there should not be another team admitted to the competition from NSW, but surely all of the current Sydney teams serve a purpose and should not be forced - through incentives or otherwise - to relocate. I can't see how there would be any benefit to the game if a club was forced to move, because we have seen already that those alienated fans do not take up another club. Not Sydney based fans anyhow. Unless a club went to the NRL and requested the move, due to financial pressures, the spread in Sydney should be kept as is. We just don't allow more teams to be admitted from NSW as a whole.

We'd have a tremendous competition with 20 teams if Perth, SE Queensland, Wellington and Adelaide were admitted. I think that is the magic number going forward.

Adelaide would be a generation away though, you'd think, or 10 years at the least. I'm not a believer in building from the top down.
 
flippikat

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S.S.T.I.D said:
Most certainly there should not be another team admitted to the competition from NSW, but surely all of the current Sydney teams serve a purpose and should not be forced - through incentives or otherwise - to relocate. I can't see how there would be any benefit to the game if a club was forced to move, because we have seen already that those alienated fans do not take up another club. Not Sydney based fans anyhow. Unless a club went to the NRL and requested the move, due to financial pressures, the spread in Sydney should be kept as is. We just don't allow more teams to be admitted from NSW as a whole.

We'd have a tremendous competition with 20 teams if Perth, SE Queensland, Wellington and Adelaide were admitted. I think that is the magic number going forward.

Adelaide would be a generation away though, you'd think, or 10 years at the least. I'm not a believer in building from the top down.
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Fair point on the Sydney teams, but maybe the deal should be that if a Sydney club really does hit the wall, a compensation offer would be made by the NRL for relocation or joint-venture with another Sydney club - rather than just bailing them out "as is"?

Anyway, relocation is just one option - a joint venture is another way that progress can be made in rebalancing the competition. The Tigers and Dragons have shown how pooling resources can bring success. Sure it's not easy finding natural partners in the current set-up, but that may change under different circumstances.

I think that given the current structure of the competition, from the 3 leading bids Perth and Brisbane2 or Ipswich is the logical next phase of expansion (sorry Bears fans, just my view of it). Ipswich could play out of Suncorp while they get their stadium together, if need be.

Everything else - Adelaide, Central Queensland, is at least 5 years away from being ready, whether it be demographics, stadium issues, junior numbers, or just not having a well-prepared enough bid. Or indeed a combination of these factors.

These are the locations that need development work to start now, so that they have a viable bid ready for the next round (or if a Sydney team decides to relocate in the meantime..)
 
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The.X.Factor9

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Goddo said:
If you are talking about locations for new clubs, you are pretty much spot on with what the NRL needs. The big problem is how you impliment it, and wether the bids in the places we need clubs live up to expectations.

The other question is: ok, we cap the number of sides in NSW (which is the right thing to do with 10 currently), but what if a current club sucks donkey balls and we have an excellent franchise waiting in the wings?
How do we then accomodate this situation? A relocation interstate?

So, yes, the next 4 licences seem pretty clear cut, needing Perth, SE Queensland, Wellington, Adelaide and a redistribution in NSW. HOW the NRL actually does this will be more complex:

1. Do they admit the Bears and then force a relocation (by financial means) of Manly or Cronulla to Queensland? Or do they just go with the best locations, and bring in Ipswich/Brisbane and Perth?

2. What is the long term stratergy for expanding in SE Queensland, our biggest long term growth market? Do we have a solar system style plan, with the Broncos at the centre with satellite sides, OR do we have 2 or more "Brisbane" teams? How do we see each stratergy working in terms of market share and TV exposure? What is the end state, 5 teams?

Beyond the actual bids, these are the unanswered questions I'd hope are being asked at NRL headquarters.
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Ok.

Things I am aware of:
-Gallop does not like relocation, the reason:
*Shows instability in our code (to networks, fans, sponsors etc)
* Relocation means you lose fans(not gain)

-Inside sources tell me our administration has NFI about the "future plan"(cannot divulge anything further).

IMO the only way to go is to have a conference system with all these teams(for the future):

Western sydney conference+ souths:
-Bulldogs,Tigers,penrith ,Parramatta,souths.

Inner sydney conference+ knights(or any other name; i have no idea of the geographical location of suburbs anymore):
-Roosters,cronulla, dragons, Manly, knights

Queensland conference:
-Broncos,titans, Cowboys, strongest QLD bid,2nd strongest QLD Bid

Exiles conference:
-Melbourne,Warriors,Canberra, NZ.No2, Perth, Adelaide. PNG.

Please don't attack me this was off the top of my head.
 
Western_Eel

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I dont understand why everyone says Adelaide is at least 5-10 years away,
It needs a team now to grow support, No team No support, so in 5-10 years it will still need 5-10 years.
 
aarondoyle

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Western_Eel said:
I dont understand why everyone says Adelaide is at least 5-10 years away,
It needs a team now to grow support, No team No support, so in 5-10 years it will still need 5-10 years.
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It's almost certainly because there's enough places who should have a team before Adelaide: eg. Perth. Bigger city, booming economy etc.

When the priority ones are done, then we can look at Adelaide.
 
smithie

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aarondoyle said:
It's almost certainly because there's enough places who should have a team before Adelaide: eg. Perth. Bigger city, booming economy etc.

When the priority ones are done, then we can look at Adelaide.
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Absolutely. The priority at the moment must be Perth & Brisbane II, to try and get as much revenue as possible from the media rights deal. After that will be a second NZ team and hopefully something can be sorted out about having a team playing out of Bluetongue.

As far as Adelaide goes, in the meantime the NRL should do a deal with a club(s) to play three games a year in Adelaide, preferably at Hindmarsh Stadium, not Adelaide Oval. I cannot see Adelaide getting a full-time team until Hindmarsh is developed or a new rectangular stadium is built. Adelaide United (A-League) have been asking for upgrades to Hindmarsh for a while now, but if a NRL team was to come on the scene it would be hard for the SA Government to deny a full redevelopment.
 
Perth Red

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WA >>>>>>>>> SA in terms of RL development and profile. The SARL needs better people with more $'s backing them to get things moving. Some sort of strategic plan wouldn't go amiss Gallop!
 
Perth Red

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yeh, I'm pleased! We'll be feeding back the results to the WA Reds bid team next month.

next survey will be name and logo.

Also coming up in the August Red Army newsletter a kids colouring competition with some great prizes, if your family are not yet members now would be a good time to join!
 
flippikat

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Perth Red said:
yeh, I'm pleased! We'll be feeding back the results to the WA Reds bid team next month.

next survey will be name and logo.

Also coming up in the August Red Army newsletter a kids colouring competition with some great prizes, if your family are not yet members now would be a good time to join!
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I've said in another thread - use WA and not Perth, and play trials or even one regular season game in WA towns outside of Perth.

This hopefully gets some sort of buzz going with the rest of the state too.. and might just convince kids outside Perth to follow the NRL, maybe even try playing the game.

Why just stop at Perth?? For just a little effort we can start to make inroads in wider WA too.
 
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