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What those advocating afl style expansion don't want u to know

Colk

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Sat 830 is perfect for the cowboys

the best remaining slots are Sunday night 630 or 730 and Monday night

then sat like 2 pm or Sunday at midday

the post I quoted implies a Perth nrl teams value is to eastern viewers which would be the same as another brissie team or nz

Vlandys seems confident we will beat the afl when we renegotiate like they have

im pretty certain we’re going to see at least a 20 team nrl and afl has nowhere else it can expand too that will add much value and indeed gws and suns might still need to relocate themselves to Canberra and tassie

let’s see how afl does as a sport with no growth left

Of course he is going to say that. He is not going to come out and say the opposite is he?

Brisbane is not going to offer a different timeslot unless you want to play in summer. NZ does and Perth does hence why they are probably going to be the next two sides in whatever order.
 

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Of course he is going to say that. He is not going to come out and say the opposite is he?

Brisbane is not going to offer a different timeslot unless you want to play in summer. NZ does and Perth does hence why they are probably going to be the next two sides in whatever order.
Sure Sunday night or Monday night a bris team could (subject to changing rules at Suncorp)
 

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I still think they want conferences and 24 teams is the ideal two x 12. Play your conference home and away. Top five final system for both

tv will love it as it’s more derbies

You are not going to get to 24 teams in our lifetime unless Australia and the population in the Oceania goes to 100 odd million.
 

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You are not going to get to 24 teams in our lifetime unless Australia and the population in the Oceania goes to 100 odd million.
Yeh it’s pretty unlikely I agree

but 20 doesn’t include Adelaide so the final number will be interesting

and conferences too
 

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Sure Sunday night or Monday night a bris team could (subject to changing rules at Suncorp)

How many people do you want to turn up to games? 5,000? The whole problem with a Sunday night or Monday night fixture is that clubs don’t want it because people don’t attend games at those times. We already have two fixture times in particular where attendances are low and it doesn’t work for clubs
 

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In a perfect world you’d have three Kiwi sides and a Perth side in a 20 team. If that were ever to occur you would 10 games every weekend without the need to simulcast or throw in time slots that would be too hard to schedule.

As it is if you go to say 10 games a week without different time zones, you are essentially forced to simulcast which would obviously drive down the price of any potential deal
Perfect world, the warriors would have won the GF in 2020... then nz2 would have been the 17th team...
Seriously only one more nz team would be enough, PNG and Perth to round off the 20...
If there's a relocation Adelaide and CC can get that lovein... (most likely the sea eagles)
 

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How many people do you want to turn up to games? 5,000? The whole problem with a Sunday night or Monday night fixture is that clubs don’t want it because people don’t attend games at those times. We already have two fixture times in particular where attendances are low and it doesn’t work for clubs
The biggest issue was clubs having short turn around times and teams coming off mnf always losing the next week

clearly the nrl isn’t super concerned about crowds vs tv ratings
 

Colk

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Yeh it’s pretty unlikely I agree

but 20 doesn’t include Adelaide so the final number will be interesting

and conferences too

Conferences are a terrible idea for this country and in particular this competition. If you had an even spread of teams either east - west or north - south then fine but you don’t.

We don’t have to copy every idea from America you know
 
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From the article itself. Yeh their national strategy hasn’t paid off at all lol

Seven West Media and Foxtel recently signed the richest deal in Australian sport history for the rights to the AFL, a $4.5billion deal locking in broadcasting rights for the competition from 2025 to 2031.

kind of ironic that after talking down their gf audience, we drew less!
The media loves to stir the pot to draw traffic to their sites. It's a dying industry reduced to provoking code warriors and gossiping about Harry and Megan.

We can learn from AwFuL's mistakes by putting teams in Adelaide and Perth but not trying to over reach. Let the clubs grow organically until they form a niche in those markets. Get the game played in more schools and make the players more visible to the public.
 
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Wb1234

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Conferences are a terrible idea for this country and in particular this competition. If you had an even spread of teams either east - west or north - south then fine but you don’t.

We don’t have to copy every idea from America you know
Disagree

it would be great for derbies and having a proper home and away schedule

plus a top five is the best finals system

and both brisbane and Sydney get grand finals

one conference can be the nswrl and the other we can call it super league

for super league we just make a trophy with ribot and Rupert fisting each other

(obviously the last sentence is a joke)
 

Colk

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The biggest issue was clubs having short turn around times and teams coming off mnf always losing the next week

clearly the nrl isn’t super concerned about crowds vs tv ratings

Exactly and it would be a lot worse now having a Thursday night game as well. It would be just too hard

Perhaps they should be. It might be a way to increase revenue without having to rely so much on TV negotiations.
 

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Exactly and it would be a lot worse now having a Thursday night game as well. It would be just too hard

Perhaps they should be. It might be a way to increase revenue without having to rely so much on TV negotiations.
We’re never going to get crowds like afl

but we could get a tv deal that is bigger then theirs by offering tv more unique time slots for games
 

Colk

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Disagree

it would be great for derbies and having a proper home and away schedule

plus a top five is the best finals system

and both brisbane and Sydney get grand finals

one conference can be the nswrl and the other we can call it super league

for super league we just make a trophy with ribot and Rupert fisting each other

(obviously the last sentence is a joke)

So you put a conference in to deliberately increase the travel demands of teams outside of Sydney?

Totally fair
 
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MugaB

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I still think they want conferences and 24 teams is the ideal two x 12. Play your conference home and away. Top five final system for both

tv will love it as it’s more derbies

the problem is I can’t think of 24 decent teams
I can,....seriously after watchin the world cup this week you dont need decent teams,
The English side put a big red line thru a stacked samoan side that should have been somewhat competitive.. even thou it was teir 1 vs tier2... but that shit exists in the NRL... Penrith vs Tigers seriously, might aswell be PNG vs Titans... or Perth2 vs Warriors

The comp can get to 24... but are we ok with mediocre teams, that spike in one off years finals wise.... coz titans, warriors, cows, knights, dragons and manly aren't always challenging in that respect, this year cows went well, a few years ago made the GF then fell off a cliff... its all cyclical, so 24 teams sharing that shit is possible
 

Colk

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We’re never going to get crowds like afl

but we could get a tv deal that is bigger then theirs by offering tv more unique time slots for games

Where did I actually say that we were going to get crowds like fumbleball? You are imagining arguments here.

On the other hand, what I actually said was we shouldn’t give up on trying to increase crowds. If we get increases in crowd numbers and memberships that helps clubs be sustainable without relying so much on grants from the NRL.
 
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MugaB

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Disagree

it would be great for derbies and having a proper home and away schedule

plus a top five is the best finals system

and both brisbane and Sydney get grand finals

one conference can be the nswrl and the other we can call it super league

for super league we just make a trophy with ribot and Rupert fisting each other

(obviously the last sentence is a joke)
This whole post is a joke.... conferences need to be as fair as possible, making one conference ALL based in one city is a farce... get your head out of the sand dude...
Split Sydney North/South, add the rest to each conference all QLD teams in the north, NZ/Act/ViC to the south ...Done

NRL Conference Map _24 teams.png
 

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Where did I actually say that we were going to get crowds like fumbleball? You are imagining argument arguments here.

On the other hand, what I actually said was we shouldn’t give up on trying to increase crowds. If we get increase in crowd numbers and memberships that helps clubs be sustainable without relying so much on grants from the NRL.
That’s what I meant

our crowds are good enough anyway with those awful time slots like the night and Friday 6 pm

Monday night games for very similar crowds to Friday 6 pm
 

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This whole post is a joke.... conferences need to be as fair as possible, making one conference ALL based in one city is a farce... get your head out of the sand dude...
Split Sydney North/South, add the rest to each conference all QLD teams in the north, NZ/Act/ViC to the south ...Done

that’s one article about it

but the previous discussion by people at the arlc was literally about a Sydney conference and the rest so it’s not just me making this argument

and Wayne bennett clearly likes the idea
 

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Yeh it’s pretty unlikely I agree

but 20 doesn’t include Adelaide so the final number will be interesting

and conferences too
Yeah, it's quite likely teams 18-20 will be Perth, NZ 2 & another Queensland team - in whatever order.

Whether that Qld club is one of the unsuccessful Brisbane bids from last time, some new Brisbane entity, or a really compelling (financially) regional team, I dunno.

Adelaide have a big hill to climb to get a look-in.
 
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Yeah but Sharks have a building site home ground yet made a profit, Imagine when it is 100% again
They only made $4m from sponsorship in 2021. Their biggest source of income is the annual grant, which is propping them up no matter how you try to spin it. Their next highest source of revenue is gaming machine revenue.
 

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