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What those advocating afl style expansion don't want u to know

MugaB

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Ambitious is a really generous term for what they did

stupidity or arrogance are the terms I would use
But dude their draft is working... quick we should copy it, then we can have an Adelaide team and one in Darwin, we can send our best drafts there, and watch them become a powerhouse... please my god

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GC and GWS get the pick of the litter, and still no one gives two shíts about them... its not about the areas they are in either... AFL f**kd up coz being in a state where its not the dominant code, if your already an AFL fan, you'll already support swans or lions, and automatically vilify the derby club... its like if NRL decided to create a GWM Greater Western Melbourne, no matter how well they perform, the storm is the no.1 RL team in Vic, the suppport would wither... AFL ballsd it up
 
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Colk

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But dude their draft is working... quick we should copy it, then we can have an Adelaide team and one in Darwin, we can send our best drafts there, and watch them become a powerhouse... please my god

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GC and GWS get the pick of the litter, and still no one gives two shíts about them... its not about the areas they are in either... AFL f**kd up coz being in a state where its not the dominant code, if your already an AFL fan, you'll already support swans or lions, and automatically vilify the derby club... its like if NRL decided to create a GWM Greater Western Melbourne, no matter how well they perform, the storm is the no.1 RL team in Vic, the suppport would wither... AFL ballsd it up

100% agree. Although Adelaide has kind of shown they can support a side.

Nobody would put a side in Darwin either
 

MugaB

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100% agree. Although Adelaide has kind of shown they can support a side.

Nobody would put a side in Darwin either
We could... and it would work, coz we wouldn't feed it draft picks... it would need to grow organically, by having a junior base, much like the cowboys had when they started... and im sure theyll recruit their arses off too... but it could work... just wouldn't have to population to justify it getting a license before the other options
 
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Colk

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We could... and it would work, coz we would feed it draft picks... it would need to grow organically, by having a junior base, much like the cowboys had when they started... and im sure theyll recruit their arses off too... but it could work... just wouldn't have to population to justify it getting a license before the other options

Oh don’t get me wrong I don’t think Adelaide is in the same breadth as extra Kiwi sides, Perth or even an extra Brisbane side (probably) but it could get enough support to work.

The Rams went alright in terms of support
 

MugaB

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Oh don’t get me wrong I don’t think Adelaide is in the same breadth as extra Kiwi sides, Perth or even an extra Brisbane side (probably) but it could get enough support to work.

The Rams went alright in terms of support
I meant to say wouldn't
 

Reflector

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Ambitious is a really generous term for what they did

stupidity or arrogance are the terms I would use
Naivety and arrogance.

Naivety because they clearly looked at dots on a map and thought a new team in those areas would work.

Arrogance because (as is the case with many AFL types) they think all the unenlightened masses need to do is to watch a single game and they'll be converts for life. It's the result of living in an echo chamber where the coverage of AFL has been at saturation level for decades.
 

MugaB

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They just didn't read the room so to speak..
The Idea works, derbies in Perth , derbies in Adelaide, but they forgot the other 2 states don't treat Afl like its the only thing on...
 

age.s

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The strategy was all wrong from the beginning. They acted super aggressively by poaching stars of our sport who obviously weren't going to do well in theirs, combined with claims that they're just looking for a little piece of a growing pie. The contradiction was obvious and rubbed many (myself included) very much the wrong way. I was a casual AFL follower at the time, but the aggression so obvious in their actions turned me off the sport and I haven't watched a second of it (willingly) since. Having no presence in the actual West of the city, along with a ridiculous name (I've never heard "Greater Western Sydney" referenced anywhere but the Giants) was the icing on the cake. With no cultural roots for the sport in the region there's no connection and no capacity for a meaningful following to grow outside of southern expats desperate for a taste of the old country.

That said, I love watching AFL idiots defend them and/or deflect back to RL's position. The idea of them dumping TV riches into their graveyard for decades to come pleases me more than I can describe.
 

Perth Red

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A second side in Sydney and particularly one in GC has been perhaps a little ambitious for the fumblers. From our side one in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide will be more than sufficient
$2billion extra over 10 years, $700mill extra over next 5 years. they can afford to be as ambitious, wasteful, fanciful as they like!
They needed nine games, Sydney and GC provide better long term ROI opportunities than Tassie and Canberra as 17 and 18.
$4.5billion mammoth deal would suggest they know what they are doing lol

You think a team in tassie and canberra costs much less than the 2 they chose? You think they get $643mil a year without 5 city reach and 9 games? You think with $200mill-300mil ayear more revenue than NRl they cant afford it long term? Please!
If we had half the balls we would have a team in Adelaide and Perth by now and had Brisbane2 a decade ago.
 

Perth Red

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You had a metro reach already. Then you took it too far and are forced to throw your money into bottomless pits.

Your expansion beyond Terra australis seems to have gone well.
You didnt answer the question!

Depends if you believe they got the money difference because Vlandys is a moron or because they have a national metro reach we don’t. Which is it?
 

Wb1234

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They just didn't read the room so to speak..
The Idea works, derbies in Perth , derbies in Adelaide, but they forgot the other 2 states don't treat Afl like its the only thing on...
Plus they took the success of the swans to mean it was a reflection of afl being a great product rather than mainly due to super league and club ratio salivation
 

Wb1234

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The strategy was all wrong from the beginning. They acted super aggressively by poaching stars of our sport who obviously weren't going to do well in theirs, combined with claims that they're just looking for a little piece of a growing pie. The contradiction was obvious and rubbed many (myself included) very much the wrong way. I was a casual AFL follower at the time, but the aggression so obvious in their actions turned me off the sport and I haven't watched a second of it (willingly) since. Having no presence in the actual West of the city, along with a ridiculous name (I've never heard "Greater Western Sydney" referenced anywhere but the Giants) was the icing on the cake. With no cultural roots for the sport in the region there's no connection and no capacity for a meaningful following to grow outside of southern expats desperate for a taste of the old country.

That said, I love watching AFL idiots defend them and/or deflect back to RL's position. The idea of them dumping TV riches into their graveyard for decades to come pleases me more than I can describe.
That was a great read
 

AlwaysGreen

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You didnt answer the question!

Depends if you believe they got the money difference because Vlandys is a moron or because they have a national metro reach we don’t. Which is it?
Why am I answering your questions?

I don't follow your sport so I have no clue how much you got.

The NRL may have been able to get more on their deal but a profile that covers the Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, Auckland as well as Canberra, Newcastle and Far North Queensland isn't too bad I'd think.

Hopefully Adelaide and Christchurch or Wellington's are next.
 

age.s

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The idea that the AFL is in an insanely strong position is laughable. They have strengths, but they're also deceptively fragile. This is obvious in the tenor of the expansion discussions of the two codes. The AFL have an extremely strong base, but are desperately in need of more surface area. This is why you have their fans claiming that burning money for the chance at getting some new territory is a good move strategically. Even if we assume that checks out, that belies a terrible position, in which getting past 16 teams requires a monstrous, decades long investment at a mere chance of success.

The NRL's position appears weaker. We have less money (though far from cash strapped) and a marginally weaker hold on our core urban areas (though it's far stronger than our detractors claim), however we have mammoth amounts of opportunity. Too much, if truth be told. We have the option of expanding into lucrative Australian markets (both Perth and Adelaide are large enough to support a team), go for one of the numerous player rich areas that has theoretical latent support ready to be unlocked (NZ 2/3, Pacific Islands, PNG, country NSW/QLD) or even heal one of the wounds of the past (Bears). Long term the question is how you structure a coherent league out of so many teams/regions. You might argue we don't have the playing stock to do so and while that's true now, several of the expansion areas would bring their own development pathways, while a number of the existing heartland areas have enormous room to improve (ie, Tigers, Knights).

A fair bit of work needs to be done, but the potential vastly outstrips the AFL, who are throwing the cream of their riches for a chance at chicken feed.
 

Iamback

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The idea that the AFL is in an insanely strong position is laughable. They have strengths, but they're also deceptively fragile. This is obvious in the tenor of the expansion discussions of the two codes. The AFL have an extremely strong base, but are desperately in need of more surface area. This is why you have their fans claiming that burning money for the chance at getting some new territory is a good move strategically. Even if we assume that checks out, that belies a terrible position, in which getting past 16 teams requires a monstrous, decades long investment at a mere chance of success.

The NRL's position appears weaker. We have less money (though far from cash strapped) and a marginally weaker hold on our core urban areas (though it's far stronger than our detractors claim), however we have mammoth amounts of opportunity. Too much, if truth be told. We have the option of expanding into lucrative Australian markets (both Perth and Adelaide are large enough to support a team), go for one of the numerous player rich areas that has theoretical latent support ready to be unlocked (NZ 2/3, Pacific Islands, PNG, country NSW/QLD) or even heal one of the wounds of the past (Bears). Long term the question is how you structure a coherent league out of so many teams/regions. You might argue we don't have the playing stock to do so and while that's true now, several of the expansion areas would bring their own development pathways, while a number of the existing heartland areas have enormous room to improve (ie, Tigers, Knights).

A fair bit of work needs to be done, but the potential vastly outstrips the AFL, who are throwing the cream of their riches for a chance at chicken feed.

Good post.

NRL issue is a RL issue in general, The areas of the world it is strong it has to compete with RU and generally are the poorer countries or smaller.
 

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