What those advocating afl style expansion don't want u to know

[Wb1234]

The idea that the AFL is in an insanely strong position is laughable. They have strengths, but they're also deceptively fragile. This is obvious in the tenor of the expansion discussions of the two codes. The AFL have an extremely strong base, but are desperately in need of more surface area. This is why you have their fans claiming that burning money for the chance at getting some new territory is a good move strategically. Even if we assume that checks out, that belies a terrible position, in which getting past 16 teams requires a monstrous, decades long investment at a mere chance of success.

The NRL's position appears weaker. We have less money (though far from cash strapped) and a marginally weaker hold on our core urban areas (though it's far stronger than our detractors claim), however we have mammoth amounts of opportunity. Too much, if truth be told. We have the option of expanding into lucrative Australian markets (both Perth and Adelaide are large enough to support a team), go for one of the numerous player rich areas that has theoretical latent support ready to be unlocked (NZ 2/3, Pacific Islands, PNG, country NSW/QLD) or even heal one of the wounds of the past (Bears). Long term the question is how you structure a coherent league out of so many teams/regions. You might argue we don't have the playing stock to do so and while that's true now, several of the expansion areas would bring their own development pathways, while a number of the existing heartland areas have enormous room to improve (ie, Tigers, Knights).

A fair bit of work needs to be done, but the potential vastly outstrips the AFL, who are throwing the cream of their riches for a chance at chicken feed.

Take their crappy 18 team comp against ours we win

heck just for laughs let them go to 20 to match us going to 20

afl reached a peak ten years ago and has been treading water at best for a decade

now the arlc is run by someone who does things rather than talks about things and is committed to expansion the game is up for our rivals

 

[Iamback]

Take their crappy 18 team comp against ours we win

heck just for laughs let them go to 20 to match us going to 20

afl reached a peak ten years ago and has been treading water at best for a decade

now the arlc is run by someone who does things rather than talks about things and is committed to expansion the game is up for our rivals

Take this year, All teams got the same funding and all made profits. That model is more sustainable then having to prop teams up

 

[Wb1234]

Take this year, All teams got the same funding and all made profits. That model is more sustainable then having to prop teams up

Clubs got record funding so they all make a profit

players get a rise in the salary cap to a record

nrl makes consistent profits

and this was done during covid

the games financial management now is on another level

 

[Iamback]

Clubs got record funding so they all make a profit

players get a rise in the salary cap to a record

nrl makes consistent profits

and this was done during covid

the games financial management now is on another level

Yeah but Sharks have a building site home ground yet made a profit, Imagine when it is 100% again

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Waiting for AFL Red to mention pokie dens.........

 

[Iamback]

Waiting for AFL Red to mention pokie dens.........

He has used the BS TV right numbers.. That is the follow up

 

[Canard]

I think the NRL shouldn't be afraid of expansion in non-traditional markets, even if it means losing money in the short term.

Ultimately it will pay off

 

[Perth Red]

Waiting for AFL Red to mention pokie dens.........

Are you suggesting most clubs are profitable from their football operations? LOL!

gws made a profit last year, shows it can’t be that hard!

 

[Perth Red]

I think the NRL shouldn't be afraid of expansion in non-traditional markets, even if it means losing money in the short term.

Ultimately it will pay off

Now that sort of talk will get you a clown photo lol. It’s not like that is exactly what afl did that has seen them acheive $2billion more than us!

 

[flippikat]

I think the good thing is that the NRL can learn a lesson or two from AFL and expand to all the big Australian metros (just Perth & Adelaide to do that), BUT be very wary of putting derbies in AFL dominated cities.

IMO the only AFL city that could *potentially* pay off with a derby is Perth - and that's once we have Perth 1, Adelaide, NZ 2, and maybe another Queensland based club (or 2) first.. and that's chiefly on the strength of having a game every week in that timezone.

 

[Canard]

I think the good thing is that the NRL can learn a lesson or two from AFL and expand to all the big Australian metros (just Perth & Adelaide to do that), BUT be very wary of putting derbies in AFL dominated cities.

IMO the only AFL city that could *potentially* pay off with a derby is Perth - and that's once we have Perth 1, Adelaide, NZ 2, and maybe another Queensland based club (or 2) first.. and that's chiefly on the strength of having a game every week in that timezone.

In would hope that we would be prepared to stick it out beyond 10 years, before we give up in any non- traditional area though.

I mean most of LU wants us to get rid of the Titans, in a RL heartland area.

 

[Wb1234]

I think the good thing is that the NRL can learn a lesson or two from AFL and expand to all the big Australian metros (just Perth & Adelaide to do that), BUT be very wary of putting derbies in AFL dominated cities.

IMO the only AFL city that could *potentially* pay off with a derby is Perth - and that's once we have Perth 1, Adelaide, NZ 2, and maybe another Queensland based club (or 2) first.. and that's chiefly on the strength of having a game every week in that timezone.

Nah two Perth teams isn’t needed

even Adelaide the merits of this against even png are questionable

the nrl can get bigger tv deals than afl certainly without Adelaide and maybe without Perth either

Perth don’t even offer a unique timeslot that any other team couldn’t fill either

 

[Colk]

In would hope that we would be prepared to stick it out beyond 10 years, before we give up in any non- traditional area though.

I mean most of LU wants us to get rid of the Titans, in a RL heartland area.

100%

 

[Colk]

Nah two Perth teams isn’t needed

even Adelaide the merits of this against even png are questionable

the nrl can get bigger tv deals than afl certainly without Adelaide and maybe without Perth either

Perth don’t even offer a unique timeslot that any other team couldn’t fill either

If that’s the case than why haven’t they?

Also do teams want to play Sunday 6pm or late Saturday now? It most certainly offers a timeslot or options that are not really feasible now

 

[Wb1234]

If that’s the case than why haven’t they?

Also do teams want to play Sunday 6pm or late Saturday now? It most certainly offers a timeslot or options that are not really feasible now

Sat 830 is perfect for the cowboys

the best remaining slots are Sunday night 630 or 730 and Monday night

then sat like 2 pm or Sunday at midday

the post I quoted implies a Perth nrl teams value is to eastern viewers which would be the same as another brissie team or nz

Vlandys seems confident we will beat the afl when we renegotiate like they have

im pretty certain we’re going to see at least a 20 team nrl and afl has nowhere else it can expand too that will add much value and indeed gws and suns might still need to relocate themselves to Canberra and tassie

let’s see how afl does as a sport with no growth left

 

[flippikat]

Nah two Perth teams isn’t needed

even Adelaide the merits of this against even png are questionable

the nrl can get bigger tv deals than afl certainly without Adelaide and maybe without Perth either

Perth don’t even offer a unique timeslot that any other team couldn’t fill either

Yeah, a 2nd Perth team isn't needed (same with 2nd Melbourne or 2nd Adelaide).. certainly not once we have one team there.. and certainly not ahead of some other options first.

But I think the point I was trying to make is that if we *had* to choose one AFL-dominated city to "double down" on, Perth probably has the inside running due to the timezone/scheduling benefits that a game every week in WA has.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

A second side in Sydney and particularly one in GC has been perhaps a little ambitious for the fumblers. From our side one in Melbourne, Perth and Adelaide will be more than sufficient

I'd like to see NZ have 3 or 4 teams at some stage so we can grow in NZ and the Pacific. Our goal should be to become the number one sport in Oceania and enter the SW Asian market. I'd go as far as to push all the away north to Taiwan and Japan. Players from Polynesia and Melanesia can then be supported by money and large population from SE Asia, Taiwan and Japan. Market ourself as the NFL of Pacific-SE Asia.

I'd love it if PNG had three or four teams because of their passion, but the reality is they cannot support one. It's unfair but the way it is.

 

[Wb1234]

Yeah, a 2nd Perth team isn't needed (same with 2nd Melbourne or 2nd Adelaide).. certainly not once we have one team there.. and certainly not ahead of some other options first.

But I think the point I was trying to make is that if we *had* to choose one AFL-dominated city to "double down" on, Perth probably has the inside running due to the timezone/scheduling benefits that a game every week in WA has.

Yeh fair enough

nz2 has to be added in the next round of expansion

Perth is looking like they’ve snatched the 18 the spot

it’s a shame nz misses out now but with covid relocating the warriors they probably want to see them settle down for a bit before taking a chance on another side

 

[Colk]

I'd like to see NZ have 3 or 4 teams at some stage so we can grow in NZ and the Pacific. Our goal should be to become the number one sport in Oceania and enter the SW Asian market. I'd go as far as to push all the away north to Taiwan and Japan. Players from Polynesia and Melanesia can then be supported by money and large population from SE Asia, Taiwan and Japan. Market ourself as the NFL of Pacific-SE Asia.

I'd love it if PNG had three or four teams because of their passion, but the reality is they cannot support one. It's unfair but the way it is.

In a perfect world you’d have three Kiwi sides and a Perth side in a 20 team. If that were ever to occur you would have 10 games every weekend without the need to simulcast or throw in time slots that would be too hard to schedule.

As it is if you go to say 10 games a week without different time zones, you are essentially forced to simulcast which would obviously drive down the price of any potential deal

 

[Wb1234]

In a perfect world you’d have three Kiwi sides and a Perth side in a 20 team. If that were ever to occur you would 10 games every weekend without the need to simulcast or throw in time slots that would be too hard to schedule.

As it is if you go to say 10 games a week without different time zones, you are essentially forced to simulcast which would obviously drive down the price of any potential deal

I still think they want conferences and 24 teams is the ideal two x 12. Play your conference home and away. Top five final system for both

tv will love it as it’s more derbies

the problem is I can’t think of 24 decent teams