What those advocating afl style expansion don't want u to know

[Wb1234]

1. Easts
2. Souths
3. St George-Illawarra
4. Cronulla
5. Canberra
6. Melbourne
7. Canterbury
8. Parramatta
9. PENRITH!!!
10. Western Sydney Magpies
11. Manly
12. Central Coast Bears
13. Newcastle
14. Gold Coast
15. Brisbane Broncos
16. Brisbane Tigers
17. Ipswich-Logan
18. Moreton Dolphins
19. North Qld
20. Auckland
21. Wellington
22. Perth
23. Adelaide
24. PNG


Oh- you said decent teams...

Demerging the tigers and bringing them back in brisbane solved team 24 or central coast

 

[Wb1234]

So?

Most clubs in Australian sport pay a rental fee to use a stadium.

They don’t pay a rental fee at cronulla

but more importantly their fans didn’t travel to kogarah so their march day revenues were way lower than usual

All 16 clubs make profits now

 

[Iamback]

So?

Most clubs in Australian sport pay a rental fee to use a stadium.

Not the Sharks they own it so is rent free, Throw in less members making the travel across

 

[Iamback]

They don’t pay a rental fee at cronulla

but more importantly their fans didn’t travel to kogarah so their march day revenues were way lower than usual

All 16 clubs make profits now

Nailed it, It was offset slightly by the comp moving but still had half the season with game fees at Kogarah, loss of matchday compounded by no Leagues club where they could of run functions to atleast recover some of the money back

 

[Wb1234]

Nailed it, It was offset slightly by the comp moving but still had half the season with game fees at Kogarah, loss of matchday compounded by no Leagues club where they could of run functions to atleast recover some of the money back

I don’t even like Cronulla that much either but these days their finances are pretty decent with the money they got from the developer and the upgraded leagues club

 

[Iamback]

I don’t even like Cronulla that much either but these days their finances are pretty decent with the money they got from the developer and the upgraded leagues club

All Sydney clubs have gone down the path of getting money from outside football, Good days to come

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They don’t pay a rental fee at cronulla

I never said they did.

but more importantly their fans didn’t travel to kogarah so their march day revenues were way lower than usual

So their fans aren't passionate?

Would explain the low attendances and low sponsorship for the club over the years.

Who wants to sponsor a club that has bugger all fans?

All 16 clubs make profits now

Take away the annual grant and most of them wouldn’t be able to cover the costs of fielding a team in the NRL.

Why do you think the annual grant keeps on going up?

If clubs were profitable then it would be going down.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nailed it, It was offset slightly by the comp moving but still had half the season with game fees at Kogarah, loss of matchday compounded by no Leagues club where they could of run functions to atleast recover some of the money back

Does no one on here know that Cronulla has a second licenced venue at Kareela that was open in 2001 and 2002?

It's spoken about in their annual report, which was released by Sharks at Kareela!

Rental fees aren't the issue. All three Queensland teams pay hefty rental fees that would send small clubs like Cronulla broke. Titans manage it without having a Leagues Club to fall back on. No matter how you dress it up, Cronulla isn't strong enough to compete in the NRL without the annual grant because their revenue stream is too small.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Not the Sharks they own it so is rent free, Throw in less members making the travel across

All you're doing is explaining why Sharks should be kicked out!

If their fans won't travel outside of Sutherland then they'll never be anything but a small club in an LGA that has just 220k people. A little over 5% of that population regularly attend games. So they're not even that popular in their LGA with 95% of people choosing to do other stuff.

They don't have the money or room to upgrade their ground since they've expanded their Leagues Club.

We need clubs that can draw more than 20k at large centralised stadia for big games.

 

[Canard]

24 teams in the NRL?

Who says the quality of weed in Australia is poor.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

24 teams in the NRL?

Who says the quality of weed in Australia is poor.

At least one of them wants a PNG team to be based out of Cairns.

Another wants one in Gosford.

Where do they think the money is going to come from to support these clubs?

 

[footy75]

Playing soccer hasn't converted them into A-League fans.

This is a great point.
Football (soccer) is so big, in terms of kids participation rates. It is by far the most popular sport for kids to play in this country.
It's staggering that this has not transcended into following the game at the highest level in Australia.

 

[Perth Red]

This is a great point.
Football (soccer) is so big, in terms of kids participation rates. It is by far the most popular sport for kids to play in this country.
It's staggering that this has not transcended into following the game at the highest level in Australia.

Soccer, netball, basketball. Three biggest participation sports for kids in Australia, yet attendances at prof level low to avg at best for most clubs in those sports. Participation does not translate into following the highest level of the sport clearly.

 

[Wb1234]

I never said they did.



So their fans aren't passionate?

Would explain the low attendances and low sponsorship for the club over the years.

Who wants to sponsor a club that has bugger all fans?



Take away the annual grant and most of them wouldn’t be able to cover the costs of fielding a team in the NRL.

Why do you think the annual grant keeps on going up?

If clubs were profitable then it would be going down.

Lmao why do you think clubs get the annual grant

it’s not the arlc playing those games tv covers

I told you I’m not a huge fan of Cronulla but today their finances are good

you would’ve had an argument five plus years ago not now

 

[Wb1234]

24 teams in the NRL?

Who says the quality of weed in Australia is poor.

See that’s where you show your lack of knowledge of Sydney

if you had said coke you might have a point

but then again the coke here is crap so you wouldn’t

 

[Iamback]

All you're doing is explaining why Sharks should be kicked out!

If their fans won't travel outside of Sutherland then they'll never be anything but a small club in an LGA that has just 220k people. A little over 5% of that population regularly attend games. So they're not even that popular in their LGA with 95% of people choosing to do other stuff.

They don't have the money or room to upgrade their ground since they've expanded their Leagues Club.

We need clubs that can draw more than 20k at large centralised stadia for big games.

Melbourne has a population of 4.8 people. Yet ave 18k to games (0.3% of the population) So gone?

Gold Coast has a population of 620k. Yet only ave 15k to games (2.5% of the population) ... so you are right they should be booted out

Brisbane 2.4m population. Yet draw 29k (1.5% of the population) to games...I guess we kick them out too?

North Queensland - Well Cairns and Townsville had populations of 336k combined
Yet Cows draw 17,210 ( Also just over 5% of the population) should they go too?

 

[Wb1234]

Gold Coast has a population of 620k. Yet only ave 15k to games (2.5% of the population) ... so you are right they should be booted out

Brisbane 2.4m population. Yet draw 29k (1.5% of the population) to games...I guess we kick them out too?

North Queensland - Well Cairns and Townsville had populations of 336k combined
Yet Cows draw 17,210 ( Also just over 5% of the population) should they go too?

I honestly wonder why grotd puts himself through this torture arguing points which are blatantly wrong

 

[Iamback]

I honestly wonder why grotd puts himself through this torture arguing points which are blatantly wrong

Because he is an idiot. I added to Melbourne numbers to show even more how dumb he is

 

[Wb1234]

Because he is an idiot.

Or actually a master troll lol

 

[Iamback]

Or actually a master troll lol

No he is too dumb for that. Trolls are more stealth