Where to from here?

[ozbash]

And if anyone is going to be blamed for where we are today, it's Wayne Scurrah. Any success he can point to at our club revolves around Ivan Cleary (not brought to the club by Scurrah, appointed as a successor to Tony Kemp so a simple decision) and selling f*cking jerseys.

He binned Cleary after an unprecedented level of success in the club's history, with John Hart basically imploring him not to with the promise the Warriors would deeply regret it. He then apppointed a man completely not up to the job, with a strong stench of having done it because that's what Joe Talkback and Joe SouthStand wanted. I don't blame Bluey for not being up to it. If someone appoints me as prime minister tomorrow, it's not my fault if I run the country into the ground. 100% Scurrah's fault, and maybe the Board's for ratifying it. A lot of people used to bag John Hart for not being a league man but he knew quality when he saw it, and I guarantee he would never have gone for Bluey as an NRL coach.

Then as his final trick, he appoints Matt Elliott - having, from memory, completely rejected any notion that he should be considered. We got the bluster from the owners about appointing a world-class coach and being the pre-eminent club in the Southern Hemisphere (which we all knew would turn out to be bullshit) then got a man who has never won an NRL finals match in about 7-8 seasons of trying. And pumped it up as a triumph. Can't remember whether Scurrah then fired Elliott and appointed McFadden.

So yeah, there shouldn't be any targets or excuses but if there was, Wayne's your man.

Probably the 2nd best....

 

[playdaball]

The Mole reports that Matt Allwood has been given the tap on the shoulder to say, "look for a new club in 2016". He is ex Canberra I'm sure he was one of mcfadden's boys or perhaps it was Elliot or even, Dean Bell. Nah ... This was Bluey's fault!!

 

[Matua]

The Mole reports that Matt Allwood has been given the tap on the shoulder to say, "look for a new club in 2016". He is ex Canberra I'm sure he was one of mcfadden's boys or perhaps it was Elliot or even, Dean Bell. Nah ... This was Bluey's fault!!

:lol:

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

The Matt Allwood signing was always for depth though (I would have hoped)

Be interesting to see how this clear out goes, so far we've got short of: Matagi, Peturu, Havili, Friend, Rapira, Laumape, Tomkins, Peyroux, Abbey, Townsend. (10 confirmed)

We've not seen end of it either: Allwood, Ika, Palavi, Bhana, Lousi and Fish all seem to have uncertain futures (6 question marks). Unsure as to whats happening with Lino, will he go to France like planned last year pre-injury? will he leave because he isn't getting a run with mud in front of him?

Say for arguements sakes 16 leave, currently 3 in (Sao, RTS, Luke).
Are we destined to push up younger guys too soon? Are we destined for reserve grade type signings and off cuts?

End of day, does it really matter what we do re-playing roster, re-coaching roster? The good days of 2002 seem an eternity ago, when we had Ali, Sione, Campion, Tookey, Paleaasina, Toopi, Meli, Cleary all going great guns.

Let's have a look at our GF team

Cleary,Murphy,Carlaw,Toopi,Meli,Tony,Jones,Seuseu,Marsh,Tookey,Lautiti,Guttenbeil,Campion Bench: Hohaia, Swann, Koopu and Villasanti

Is it really Cappys fault? IF so, who is hiring the coaching staff? Bluey, Elliot etc
Is it the players fault? IF so, next year should go alright with a high amount of players leaving

The more I think about it, the more I think PW could be onto something here....

 

[vvvrulz]

And if anyone is going to be blamed for where we are today, it's Wayne Scurrah. Any success he can point to at our club revolves around Ivan Cleary (not brought to the club by Scurrah, appointed as a successor to Tony Kemp so a simple decision) and selling f*cking jerseys.

He binned Cleary after an unprecedented level of success in the club's history, with John Hart basically imploring him not to with the promise the Warriors would deeply regret it. He then apppointed a man completely not up to the job, with a strong stench of having done it because that's what Joe Talkback and Joe SouthStand wanted. I don't blame Bluey for not being up to it. If someone appoints me as prime minister tomorrow, it's not my fault if I run the country into the ground. 100% Scurrah's fault, and maybe the Board's for ratifying it. A lot of people used to bag John Hart for not being a league man but he knew quality when he saw it, and I guarantee he would never have gone for Bluey as an NRL coach.

Then as his final trick, he appoints Matt Elliott - having, from memory, completely rejected any notion that he should be considered. We got the bluster from the owners about appointing a world-class coach and being the pre-eminent club in the Southern Hemisphere (which we all knew would turn out to be bullshit) then got a man who has never won an NRL finals match in about 7-8 seasons of trying. And pumped it up as a triumph. Can't remember whether Scurrah then fired Elliott and appointed McFadden.

So yeah, there shouldn't be any targets or excuses but if there was, Wayne's your man.

Bang on the money here mate.

 

[playdaball]

The Matt Allwood signing was always for depth though (I would have hoped)

Be interesting to see how this clear out goes, so far we've got short of: Matagi, Peturu, Havili, Friend, Rapira, Laumape, Tomkins, Peyroux, Abbey, Townsend. (10 confirmed)

We've not seen end of it either: Allwood, Ika, Palavi, Bhana, Lousi and Fish all seem to have uncertain futures (6 question marks). Unsure as to whats happening with Lino, will he go to France like planned last year pre-injury? will he leave because he isn't getting a run with mud in front of him?

Say for arguements sakes 16 leave, currently 3 in (Sao, RTS, Luke).
Are we destined to push up younger guys too soon? Are we destined for reserve grade type signings and off cuts?

End of day, does it really matter what we do re-playing roster, re-coaching roster? The good days of 2002 seem an eternity ago, when we had Ali, Sione, Campion, Tookey, Paleaasina, Toopi, Meli, Cleary all going great guns.

Let's have a look at our GF team

Cleary,Murphy,Carlaw,Toopi,Meli,Tony,Jones,Seuseu,Marsh,Tookey,Lautiti,Guttenbeil,Campion Bench: Hohaia, Swann, Koopu and Villasanti

Is it really Cappys fault? IF so, who is hiring the coaching staff? Bluey, Elliot etc
Is it the players fault? IF so, next year should go alright with a high amount of players leaving

The more I think about it, the more I think PW could be onto something here....

Everything that PW wrote was pretty much common knowledge however they won't hang Scurrah public ally as he still works for Eric Warson so still indirectly involved with the club. Instead of blaming people lets move forward and ensure that we don't fall outside top 8 again.

 

[Alan Johnson]

I think we need to reconfigure our timeline for success and take a holistic view that looks beyond the NRL/under 20s etc.

Someone mentioned in this thread or another about the frailties of the Auckland competitions (too many teams, top teams not playing each other enough etc). That seems to me to be a really good place to start. Improve the health of the roots and the tree will go stronger. We're never going to have the same level of lower grade/youth competition as Australia but there's no reason why we can't improve what we have.

Perhaps measures could be introduced in the lower grades to directly address some of these apparent issues with discipline and leadership? I wonder what sort of responsibilities are given to these kids? Are team captains giving speeches at club functions? They should be.

 

[Penrose Warrior]

Everything that PW wrote was pretty much common knowledge however they won't hang Scurrah public ally as he still works for Eric Warson so still indirectly involved with the club. Instead of blaming people lets move forward and ensure that we don't fall outside top 8 again.

I wasn't aware of that Scurrah/Watson link, and add to the fact that Scurrah hired McFadden (I think?) so he's not about to come out and point fingers at him.

But yeah, I'm sick of blame being apportioned. Successful people don't do it, fullstop.

 

[RHYTHM AND STEALTH]

I remember Scurrah saying Elliott wasn't even on their list but he interviewed well

 

[Scott]

Anyone else heard the rumour that Hurrell is gone? Playing rugby next year apparently.

 

[Scott]

I remember Scurrah saying Elliott wasn't even on their list but he interviewed well

:lol: He talked his way in and fooled everyone.

 

[ozbash]

I remember Scurrah saying Elliott wasn't even on their list but he interviewed well

Lol..that'd be about right..

 

[Penrose Warrior]

I remember Scurrah saying Elliott wasn't even on their list but he interviewed well

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11237291

Read all that and try and tell me Bluey/Elliott were the problem.

 

[Matua]

Anyone else heard the rumour that Hurrell is gone? Playing rugby next year apparently.

Unsurprising, if Cappy is the supposed straight shooter the media are making him out to be and he's dropping Hurrell and keeping Kata in the team and doing it all with a straight face then Konnie can see his day's are numbered at the Warriors.

Not sure if he should go back to rugby, from reports I heard he wasn't actually that good (eg. nowhere near as good as Laumape) so he might struggle. His profile in NZ will likely help him secure a contract though.

 

[Fufu Andronez]

Some good assistant coaches need to be brought in. Nathan Brown, Garth Brennan, Toovey (long shot), etc. and/or a coaching director would be good too as first planned.

I just hoe we don't waste the next 3 years which are our best chance at a premiership with Hoffman, Luke, RTS and Johnson hopefully peaking

 

[Sanchez]

The Matt Allwood signing was always for depth though (I would have hoped)

Be interesting to see how this clear out goes, so far we've got short of: Matagi, Peturu, Havili, Friend, Rapira, Laumape, Tomkins, Peyroux, Abbey, Townsend. (10 confirmed)

We've not seen end of it either: Allwood, Ika, Palavi, Bhana, Lousi and Fish all seem to have uncertain futures (6 question marks). Unsure as to whats happening with Lino, will he go to France like planned last year pre-injury? will he leave because he isn't getting a run with mud in front of him?

Say for arguements sakes 16 leave, currently 3 in (Sao, RTS, Luke).
Are we destined to push up younger guys too soon? Are we destined for reserve grade type signings and off cuts?

End of day, does it really matter what we do re-playing roster, re-coaching roster? The good days of 2002 seem an eternity ago, when we had Ali, Sione, Campion, Tookey, Paleaasina, Toopi, Meli, Cleary all going great guns.

Let's have a look at our GF team

Cleary,Murphy,Carlaw,Toopi,Meli,Tony,Jones,Seuseu,Marsh,Tookey,Lautiti,Guttenbeil,Campion Bench: Hohaia, Swann, Koopu and Villasanti

Is it really Cappys fault? IF so, who is hiring the coaching staff? Bluey, Elliot etc
Is it the players fault? IF so, next year should go alright with a high amount of players leaving

The more I think about it, the more I think PW could be onto something here....

A lot of those guys are all name and no game. Most are not FG regulars, so it doesnt really matter how they are replaced

 

[RHYTHM AND STEALTH]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11237291

Read all that and try and tell me Bluey/Elliott were the problem.

Nailed it bro
Scurrah has put us back 5 years

 

[JJ]

And if anyone is going to be blamed for where we are today, it's Wayne Scurrah. Any success he can point to at our club revolves around Ivan Cleary (not brought to the club by Scurrah, appointed as a successor to Tony Kemp so a simple decision) and selling f*cking jerseys.

He binned Cleary after an unprecedented level of success in the club's history, with John Hart basically imploring him not to with the promise the Warriors would deeply regret it. He then apppointed a man completely not up to the job, with a strong stench of having done it because that's what Joe Talkback and Joe SouthStand wanted. I don't blame Bluey for not being up to it. If someone appoints me as prime minister tomorrow, it's not my fault if I run the country into the ground. 100% Scurrah's fault, and maybe the Board's for ratifying it. A lot of people used to bag John Hart for not being a league man but he knew quality when he saw it, and I guarantee he would never have gone for Bluey as an NRL coach.

Then as his final trick, he appoints Matt Elliott - having, from memory, completely rejected any notion that he should be considered. We got the bluster from the owners about appointing a world-class coach and being the pre-eminent club in the Southern Hemisphere (which we all knew would turn out to be bullshit) then got a man who has never won an NRL finals match in about 7-8 seasons of trying. And pumped it up as a triumph. Can't remember whether Scurrah then fired Elliott and appointed McFadden.

So yeah, there shouldn't be any targets or excuses but if there was, Wayne's your man.

yep, 100%

 

[Sanchez]

How the hell did Allwood get a 3 year deal

 

[Penrose Warrior]

How the hell did Allwood get a 3 year deal

Wayne Scurrah.

Allwood, 21, who has signed a three-year deal to join the Warriors from 2015, would only describe his mysterious departure as ''personal''.

But it is understood Allwood's exit from the club was alcohol-related and came shortly after the Round 20 match against the Rabbitohs, when heiss failed to show up for the final training session on the day before the July 28 match at Canberra Stadium.

Allwood, who started in the first nine NRL games of the season in his rookie year, was dropped after announcing his deal with the New Zealand team in May and played only two more games for the season despite telling the Warriors he would see the year out.

Outgoing Warriors chief executive Wayne Scurrah said yesterday he was made aware of the incident only after Allwood had been signed to a three-year deal.

He was, however, comfortable the club would not have further issues with Allwood.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/10492983/Warriors-aware-of-new-signing-Allwoods-past

A pro to the end, our man Wayne.