Who replaces Cappy?

[Penrose Warrior]

An interesting one is developing at Souths. Maguire seemingly has run his race at that club - first three years he was a God at that club but they look tired now. Keep hearing that the players have run out of steam mentally and physically with his maniacal training regimes.

Would it work here? Or are our players that averse/unused to hard work that it would be the wrong environment? I think Souths would release him if given a good offer, and there's no doubt other clubs would take him.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

An interesting one is developing at Souths. Maguire seemingly has run his race at that club - first three years he was a God at that club but they look tired now. Keep hearing that the players have run out of steam mentally and physically with his maniacal training regimes.

Would it work here? Or are our players that averse/unused to hard work that it would be the wrong environment? I think Souths would release him if given a good offer, and there's no doubt other clubs would take him.

He would be a style of coach our club needs, but is probably not one that would easy fit into the current perceived culture.
But that would apply to many coaches like Toovey, Bellamy etc.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

We need to jettison Cappy before things get even worse. Any more performances like last night and team morale will be utterly shot. I'm worried that he's already lost the dressing room, despite what players say publicly. Wasn't there word that Luke had already spoken up but didn't have the backing of other players at the time?

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The other question is do we parachute someone straight in (Cleary?) or sign someone for next year? If the latter do we punt Cappy and appoint Morgan or Jones as caretaker?

 

[Big Marn]

why is it always the coach that is the problem. The common denominator over all these years are the players that have been recruited in and invested in ie, the Johnsons, the Vatuveis, the Leuleuais, the Mannerings, the Lilymans, the Matulinos. They are the ones that play differently from week to week. They are responsible for their preparation.
They are the ones that make decisions on the field, and they are the ones that communicate (or not) between themselves on how to defend the line. Like the old saying, "you can bring a horse to water" .
I think a disproportionate amount of blame goes on the coach. Its the players who were the ones with the missing attitude and thats on them, not the coach.

I really think the sooner the NRL introduces a draft system like they do in American sports the better it will be for us. We will finally get our hands on some decent players and not rely on our own grassroots to get a winning team, which is what we want at the end of the day.

 

[Matua]

Apparently Bluey got punted for losing the dressing room - you can't tell me Cappy still has it?

If Doyle's the man he's made out to be by some around here the move will be made by the end of the day. You have to give a coach a decent run to bed in their systems. McFadden has had that and they're going from worse to worst.

Regarding Reason, he's a troll, he's Stuff's version of Rattue. No point reading any of their drivel.

 

[Shaun Hewitt]

Surely the noose has to be tight by now

 

[Warriorsoul]

I've been a critic of McFadden, but last night was a revelation. When they talked to him at halftime he just looked devastated, completely broken and bewildered. I actually feel sorry for him.

I don't know if he's the guy to take the team forward, but hell, he deserves better from his team than this

 

[SpaceMonkey]

why is it always the coach that is the problem. The common denominator over all these years are the players that have been recruited in and invested in ie, the Johnsons, the Vatuveis, the Leuleuais, the Mannerings, the Lilymans, the Matulinos. They are the ones that play differently from week to week. They are responsible for their preparation.
They are the ones that make decisions on the field, and they are the ones that communicate (or not) between themselves on how to defend the line. Like the old saying, "you can bring a horse to water" .
I think a disproportionate amount of blame goes on the coach. Its the players who were the ones with the missing attitude and thats on them, not the coach.

I really think the sooner the NRL introduces a draft system like they do in American sports the better it will be for us. We will finally get our hands on some decent players and not rely on our own grassroots to get a winning team, which is what we want at the end of the day.

We went fine under Cleary. Not world beaters but we made a grand final and he got a top 8 performance out of the team every season bar 2009 (I'm giving him 2006 as well as the salary cap penalty was due to factors not involving him).
The wheels fell off with the same players under Bluey, and we haven't had a good coach since. NRL sides rarely if ever coach themselves unless you're talking about a really exceptional side that's been handed over from a great coach already.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I've been a critic of McFadden, but last night was a revelation. When they talked to him at halftime he just looked devastated, completely broken and bewildered. I actually feel sorry for him.

I don't know if he's the guy to take the team forward, but hell, he deserves better from his team than this

I don't think he's a bad bloke and I feel for him - he's just horribly out of his depth at this point and we need something he isn't giving.

 

[Blair]

The Tigers and Roosters might be making moves very shortly, so the availability of experienced NRL coaches will be stretched. We can't wait too long, if we're going to be in the mix.

Cleary's the only one who can drop in at short notice. His first game might be against Penrith!

 

[Warriorsoul]

We went fine under Cleary. Not world beaters but we made a grand final and he got a top 8 performance out of the team every season bar 2009 (I'm giving him 2006 as well as the salary cap penalty was due to factors not involving him).
The wheels fell off with the same players under Bluey, and we haven't had a good coach since. NRL sides rarely if ever coach themselves unless you're talking about a really exceptional side that's been handed over from a great coach already.

I reckon our greatest defensive performance was under Cleary, we held out Penrith by one point, and they threw set after set at the line for about 20 minutes, they held them out with sheer guts. One of my favourite games to watch

 

[Matua]

I've been a critic of McFadden, but last night was a revelation. When they talked to him at halftime he just looked devastated, completely broken and bewildered. I actually feel sorry for him.

I don't know if he's the guy to take the team forward, but hell, he deserves better from his team than this

He looked devastated, but the players looked blank when he was doing his halftime rant so he's not getting through to them - there's coaching issues there.

 

[Dr Crane]

We went fine under Cleary. Not world beaters but we made a grand final and he got a top 8 performance out of the team every season bar 2009 (I'm giving him 2006 as well as the salary cap penalty was due to factors not involving him).

Yep - if you keep making the 8 you're giving yourself a chance. By sheer weight of numbers we made a GF because we kept making the 8.

I'd rather take that chance.

 

[Big Marn]

We went fine under Cleary. Not world beaters but we made a grand final and he got a top 8 performance out of the team every season bar 2009 (I'm giving him 2006 as well as the salary cap penalty was due to factors not involving him).
The wheels fell off with the same players under Bluey, and we haven't had a good coach since. NRL sides rarely if ever coach themselves unless you're talking about a really exceptional side that's been handed over from a great coach already.

with all due respect, thats not the same team under cleary. Theres no Prices and Wikis in this team to keep the young ones in check. Yes, i would have Cleary back if he was an option as i think his coaching style is what this team needs but there have been personnel changes since his tenure ended. Johnson and Matulino started at the end of his term and they were lucky to make the final as they had been flaky all year long with the introduction of the new players which we still have in the team now. Remember, we lost Price, Wiki plus reliable players like Taylor, Latimore, Lewis Brown, etc and replaced them with others.

I wouldnt be crying if Cappy gets the chop this week, but i still think these players need to have a good look at themselves. If he has lost the dressing room as everyone has said, for the players to throw a game or sabotage it on Anzac day of all days is just disrespectful and disgusting.

 

[ozbash]

The Tigers and Roosters might be making moves very shortly, so the availability of experienced NRL coaches will be stretched. We can't wait too long, if we're going to be in the mix.

Cleary's the only one who can drop in at short notice. His first game might be against Penrith!

I think the Roosters will be right when they get their full roster back.. they are a prime example of what happens when you f**k around with the halves..

Taylor is gone, and deservedly so.. Cappy won't be far behind him..

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I've head talk that the Tigers don't have the $ to pay out Taylor. Wonder if it's true.

 

[Marty]

If we get a new coach I think Jim Doyle with go with Kearney. My guess is he will be thinking that Kearney has a history of getting many of the players to perform. I don't think we will go back to Cleary.

 

[Penrose_11]

I'm unsure about Kearney but he's gotta be better then what we've got now.

Whoever management go with, it must be someone who has a strong defensive mindset and who had a set plan/ structure that the team plays to. Cleary was renowned for coaching boring in attack but had a sound defensive structure. It's like our 3 head coaches since have all relied on the natural ability of the team to come through at the end of the day.

Of the coaches not currently contracted, I'd go Cleary 1st, Toovey 2nd and daylight 3rd. Toovey would bring the broom and put a few rockets up a few arses. Kearney night be to matey, matey with a few of the highly paid underperformers to make much of a difference at this stage of the year.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Kearney could go either way. He served a solid apprenticeship under Bellamy and has done well with the national side, but as you say could be too close to players. I'm not inclined to read too much into his record at Parra as that whole club was pretty dysfunctional at that time and I think he was scapegoated over it. Kidwell would be another possibility but the same questions apply with him too I think.