Who replaces Cappy?

[Philip_Smith007]

Yep. f**k off with this foran signing. Use that money to sigh Jordan kahu and David mead for the wings and play manu and maumalo in the second row or reserves

It's clearly a tactic he has employed that is the issue not the big outside backs, look at Storms massive wingers. It just they are not the 1st, 2nd and 3rd hitup from their half.
Allows him to carry a back on bench, rather than extra forward.
More a tactic issue to me.

 

[Leber]

But i dont want another inexperienced coach. Not prepared to risk investing in Justin Morgan.

Morgan spent four years coaching first grade. Probably our best chance of getting a first grade coach, but I don't think he's the answer. It's Toovey, or we stick with cappy until someone better comes along.

 

[Leber]

It's clearly a tactic he has employed that is the issue not the big outside backs, look at Storms massive wingers. It just they are not the 1st, 2nd and 3rd hitup from their half.
Allows him to carry a back on bench, rather than extra forward.
More a tactic issue to me.

Total opposite imo. Storms backs are able to turn and chase though.... Ours aren't.

Maumalo is a second rower that's been turned into a winger. Manu is a former too winger who isn't cutting the mustard in that position these days. All the opposition needs to do is kick behind these guys and we are screwed every time.

 

[One Warrior]

Cappy might as well finish the season, but then if he isn't sacked he must fall on his sword as we are never going to win anything under him. It is time for the return of Ivan to bring us our maiden premiership.

 

[Rich102]

My problem with Ivan was the boring style of football he coached.
Big forwards hitting it up time after time and then a kick to Manu.
But now I'm thinking maybe the Warriors are too stupid to play any different.Our forwards, other than Mannering, showed no fire till the last 10 minutes, when the game was all over.

We need a class coach if we are going to hang on to Mannering and Matulino.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

Total opposite imo. Storms backs are able to turn and chase though.... Ours aren't.

Maumalo is a second rower that's been turned into a winger. Manu is a former too winger who isn't cutting the mustard in that position these days. All the opposition needs to do is kick behind these guys and we are screwed every time.

Hopefully with RTS return, Fus goes to one wing 2017. Not sure if Manu will ever change want to play till 36 or something.
Our forwards have either become lazy, tired from extra minutes or under trained with the back three hitup tactic so Cappy can carry a back on bench.

 

[Philip_Smith007]

My problem with Ivan was the boring style of football he coached.
Big forwards hitting it up time after time and then a kick to Manu.
But now I'm thinking maybe the Warriors are too stupid to play any different.Our forwards, other than Mannering, showed no fire till the last 10 minutes, when the game was all over.

We need a class coach if we are going to hang on to Mannering and Matulino.

Anymore than 3 set plays and they get confused.

 

[JJ]

We just can't handle teams with the so-called "power game" - shouldn't be the case though, Brisbane have (I would imagine) a smaller pack than us, and cope well.

I hope all the Mannering haters (or the Mannering hater) have/has been watching.

He wins player of the year most years because he is far and away the best and most consistent player in the joint - he makes a huge effort every week, and despite his understated nature obviously cares a f**k load more than the rest of them. I imagine every player in the NRL loves to play alongside someone like him...

 

[ZEROMISSTACKLES]

f**k Foran and any other signing. Cappy was sent here to sabotage our team and hes served his country well. All Blacks can pick up a spy cam in their Aussie hotel but Warriors and kiwi born and raised Doyle cant see where the best position to destroy a team without anyone suspecting anything. Our most important signing is Cappys replacement.

 

[ozbash]

He wins player of the year most years because he is far and away the best and most consistent player in the joint

He'll win it this year too..

 

[Big Marn]

f**k Foran and any other signing. Cappy was sent here to sabotage our team and hes served his country well. All Blacks can pick up a spy cam in their Aussie hotel but Warriors and kiwi born and raised Doyle cant see where the best position to destroy a team without anyone suspecting anything. Our most important signing is Cappys replacement.

even though Cappy was a mistake, still gotta have the cattle. And right now we dont have the cattle. Doyle started with the spine. Might be discovering SJ isnt the answer. We'll see. The forwards need an influx of something. The prop rotation is mediocre by NRL standards. And the mix is all wrong with 3 80 min backrowers. If there is a fallout by failing to make the 8, it will be interesting to see if Doyle can make the big calls.

 

[Cold Roses]

forwards need an influx of something. The prop rotation is mediocre by NRL standards. And the mix is all wrong with 3 80 min backrowers.

Spot on. Nothing much has really changed with our forward pack for a while.

Small bodied Rapira replaced by smaller bodied Lisone. Vete shows promise but is less effective at this stage than Packer. Matulino and Lillyman seem untouchable. Gubb and Gavet are just meh!

I'd keep Matulino and Vete and promote Sipley. What is really needed though is a Bromwich/Scott/Tamou/Graham type forward to add to the mix. And there don't seem to be many options available.

We need to get over this obsession with three 80 minute back rowers. Impact from a middle forward or in the second row channels from fresh legs against smaller halves can do wonders in changing the momentum of a game.

 

[jaseg]

I don't have a problem with Lisone in terms of his size... he does run effectively (been a touch under 9m/run this season, and 75 metres in 31 minutes on average isn't bad by any means), and has been more effective going forward this year than last (a noticeable increase across the board in his running stats)... it's just these stupid penalties and errors he gives away at the moment. If he can cut that down he still looks very promising. But there's no debate - he needs to be dropped and told to sort that stuff out. That's an actual work-on, Cappy.

Sipley, who looked impressive in very limited minutes (his defense might be a worry, but such a tiny sample size it's hard to tell just now.. and it didn't flag up early as a major problem in lower grades), should be in the team.. either over a dropped Lisone, or Gavet, or even to put a rocket up Matulino, who looks a little lazy at the moment.

I'd be starting with our current backrowers, but taking Bodene off and switching Mannering to the right, allowing us to play three genuine middle forwards at the same time when we rotate our bench (which means Lillyman & Matulino should start together, then we have 3 props essentially come in to replace them on rotation). Then bring Bodene back as fresh legs with Lillyman & Matulino in the 2nd half. Hopefully the smaller minutes would also cut down on his occasional brain farts...

And forget the stupid big body winger tripe. Forward metres are always better - you want an example? How about 8? As in the top 8. If you want Maumalo in for his metres, give him 20 minutes in the middle. He doesn't bring anything else... at least Manu is a winger, for all his other faults.

And yeah, a top middle would be great. Should've gone for Taupau last year..

 

[JJ]

I don't see much wrong with Lillyman and Matulino - but don't like the way they're used...

All well and good to say we need a Scott, Bromwich, Graham, Tamou... things would be great if we had a "World 13" - lets get Inglis, Smith, Cronk, Thurston and Gallen too...

 

[Penrose Warrior]

He'll win it this year too..

He's been the best player, no doubt. By a stretch. I wouldn't mind Kata getting it for the consistency and improvement he's shown, but it's called POTY and Mannering is it by a long stretch.

C'mon NZ journalists, let's do some actual work and hear about how Coach X and Y have been contacted in regards to the job. We hear nothing.

 

[Matua]

Morgan spent four years coaching first grade. Probably our best chance of getting a first grade coach, but I don't think he's the answer. It's Toovey, or we stick with cappy until someone better comes along.

Lets grab someone off the street then if that's the case.

 

[Cold Roses]

All well and good to say we need a Scott, Bromwich, Graham, Tamou...

Yeah. Because why would we want to try and improve on what we already have?

I notice you conveniently forgot to quote the 'type player' that I specifically added to that statement. It's pretty obvious that none of our props measure up to those 'type' of forwards. Hence my statement.

Ithings would be great if we had a "World 13" - lets get Inglis, Smith, Cronk, Thurston and Gallen too...

What exactly is your point with this statement. You seem a bit pissy. I'm disappointed with the way the season has panned out once again as well. However I'm at the point where I'd gladly shed The Coach, Vatuvei, Matulino, Lillyman, Hoffman all of those middle of the road forwards, and yes, even Mannering too, if it meant we'd be closer to a premiership.

After 5 years of mediocre results, I have no sentimental feelings towards any of the guys that have been here during that run. If they aren't up to the job, I'd be quite happy to see them f**k off.

 

[JJ]

I agree change is needed. But start with the coach who clearly can't.

Happy with change to the roster but there's the cap, and the type of player you refer to is "the world's best", they don't grow on trees. I've said elsewhere I am happy enough redeveloping with a longer term view, but no illusion that we make the 8. We have that illusion now, but I'm wondering if the SJ era is more delusion...

Yeah, I'm a bit pissy, not personal at all, apologies

 

[Cold Roses]

I don't have a problem with Lisone in terms of his size... he does run effectively (been a touch under 9m/run this season, and 75 metres in 31 minutes on average isn't bad by any means), and has been more effective going forward this year than last (a noticeable increase across the board in his running stats)... it's just these stupid penalties and errors he gives away at the moment. If he can cut that down he still looks very promising. But there's no debate - he needs to be dropped and told to sort that stuff out. That's an actual work-on, Cappy.


And forget the stupid big body winger tripe. Forward metres are always better - you want an example? How about 8? As in the top 8. If you want Maumalo in for his metres, give him 20 minutes in the middle. He doesn't bring anything else... at least Manu is a winger, for all his other faults.

And yeah, a top middle would be great. Should've gone for Taupau last year..

I'm no expert, I just get the feeling that we won't see any more out of Lisone. What he's providing now is all we'll ever get. Same with Gavet. Same with Gubb. And I think we can do better. imo. I'd love to be wrong.

You're spot on with your back row assessment. Doesn't need to be the same rotation every week, shake it up. Provide a point of difference with some impact rather than just the token put a hooker/back at lock for some tackling practice as so often happens.

So many of the successful teams of the last few years have wised up to the fact that a strong middle forward at lock provides huge impetus in metres gained. Maybe Lisone would do better from that spot with Mannering back in the second row. Who knows.

 

[Cold Roses]

I agree change is needed. But start with the coach who clearly can't.

Happy with change to the roster but there's the cap, and the type of player you refer to is "the world's best", they don't grow on trees. I've said elsewhere I am happy enough redeveloping with a longer term view, but no illusion that we make the 8. We have that illusion now, but I'm wondering if the SJ era is more delusion...

Yeah, I'm a bit pissy, not personal at all, apologies

No need to apologise. I'm pretty pissed myself. The last two weeks have been heartbreaking. I'm seriously starting to wonder why I bother. 21 years is a long time to not make significant progress as a club. To put it in perspective, this last period of failure is an actual quarter of that period of time. A whole quarter of our history as a club.

What I'm getting at is that rather than recruit those specific players, start trying to adapt the guys we have, and the young guys coming through, to play the roles that those positions require in the modern game. And recruit others.

I feel that our 'model' is wrong. Massive wingers who are easily exposed, 80 minute back rowers that don't provide dominant physical impact. We never seem to be able to adapt and try something different with the cattle we have. I know I'm harping on about it now, but It seems like there is a clear edict at the club for example, that a tackling lock is a must. No exceptions. It isn't 1980 any more.