Why Can't the Video Ref Rule On a Forward Pass?

[Perth Red]

Don't see why it couldn't be the same as every other video decision, has to be conclusive evidence or go with the refs original decision. Not that I'm advocating for more video ref decisions, they're killing the flow of the game as it is!

 

[mepelthwack]

Any fair minded person can see when a pass is actually forward. It should be ruled on. Slightest doubt either way, stay with the original decision.

Based ion this that try would of been disallowed and rightly so.

 

[Wizardman]

In Super 14 rugby, forward passes can be called back via video referee.

 

[Canard]

In Super 14 rugby, forward passes can be called back via video referee.

I've really seen them call a forward pass, video or not.

They seem to be very "lax" with that rule.

 

[davi]

There is enough video ref decisions that this would just add more to what already is too many video refs decisions. Any more stoppages in the game and we might as well rename the NRL to the NFL.

Paul Gallan was asked about video replay for a forward pass and he said "But where do you draw the line?"

And one other problem is that you can see a great try with 10 passes. But if the ref has a question mark over one pass- then the video ref has to trail back through the whole try for one pass with a question mark. Also the ref has to remember who threw the pass when instructing the video ref- which can cause confusion over which pass the video ref has to be looking at that was forward.

 

[Parra]

What this crap about one camera fixed on the half way line?

We've had multiple camera angles for decades and the ability to determine a forward pass from the replay for just as long.

 

[hrundi99]

There are plenty of video ref efforts where you can see that the ball is blatantly forward, regardless of camera angle. These should be called. If they are not so obvious, then pass no judgement.

 

[IFR33K]

Haven't read all the responses, but angles play a part in determining if a player is off side or not.

If the video ref can be used for that, why can't they be used for forward passes. In particular blatant ones.

 

[THE CHAMP]

In Super 14 rugby, forward passes can be called back via video referee.

There goes your credibility. If you ever had any.

 

[THE CHAMP]

I've really seen them call a forward pass, video or not.

They seem to be very "lax" with that rule.

Yours too.

 

[TiggaPlease]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

This is why video refs can't rule on them.

 

[KeepingTheFaith]

Good video, even if it's rugby related.

I just wish the NRL would police some if the BS passing we see from dummy half. Those guys are static the majority of the time so no excuses there.

 

[Canard]

What this crap about one camera fixed on the half way line?

We've had multiple camera angles for decades and the ability to determine a forward pass from the replay for just as long.

The majority of the telecast is from the fixed camera however, and 90% of LU posts claim to be able to judge on just one viewing, how clear the forward pass is. Other camera angles are just as deceiving, a guy running along the sideline isn't the best judge either.

Even the sky cam, wouldn't be an absolute judge, because of the fact that not all passes have to travel backwards.

Haven't read all the responses, but angles play a part in determining if a player is off side or not.

If the video ref can be used for that, why can't they be used for forward passes. In particular blatant ones.

(See above) Because its not simple geometry like offside, a pass can travel or float forward and still not be a forward pass.

And how can you have a situation where different bits of play fall under different rules.

Yours too.

If they ruled every forward pass in Rugby, there would be even less tries than there is now.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Because a fixed camera on the 50m line isn't suitable for determining whether a pass travelled forward or not.

I remember a St George fan in about 2012 who was adamant that a try was scored off a forward pass in the 99 GF. Another member here posted an overhead angle that clearly showed it wasn't.

As you and RWB have said it is the camera angles, and more so the actual camera lens.

From what I've been told by people in the refereeing fraternity, in laymens terms, Camera lens are not "flat" per se but are slightly curved. As such when the image move towards the edge of the camera lens, the curvature of the lens causes the image to "bend" somewhat, thus distorting the image.

Thus "flat" passes can appear on video to now have gone "forward" when in fact they did not.

 

[Twizzle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=box08lq9ylg

This is why video refs can't rule on them.

that shows 2 bodies in motion,

what we see alot of and what they can rule on is a dummy half standing still and passing it a metre forward out of the hands and that gets ignored week after week

 

[Lambretta]

So what we are saying is we should be able to use video evidence for a forward pass if the passer of the ball is standing still - otherwise leave it as it is.

Seems like the only way forward passes can be judged

 

[Apey]

What about my personal favourite, the short "flat" aka 1m+ forward ball?

There's always questions of where do you draw the line but I'd love it if when they see a blatantly forward pass they could just be like nope.jpg and say no try.

 

[fred95]

The issue that some people forget is that the pass is judged on the direction of the hands when the pass is thrown.

As far as camera angles are concerned.

That being the case, does that mean the only people in the crowd who can make an informed comment on whether a pass is forward or not are the ones who are sitting in line with it?

A player can face his own try line, pass the ball towards his opponents goal-line, the direction of his hand though still is backward whilst, still throwing a forward pass. The pass that somehow drifts forward, the magic eyes that discern the fingertips, from where ever those eyes might be, are to absolve referees from bad decisions. A forward pass is whenever a passed ball travels toward the opponents goal line.

 

[Canard]

A player can face his own try line, pass the ball towards his opponents goal-line, the direction of his hand though still is backward whilst, still throwing a forward pass. The pass that somehow drifts forward, the magic eyes that discern the fingertips, from where ever those eyes might be, are to absolve referees from bad decisions. A forward pass is whenever a passed ball travels toward the opponents goal line.

That's not true at all.

Watch the video linked earlier for a clear demonstration of why this isn't true.

 

[Nice Beaver]

If the pin-headed f*cks get to rule on obstruction plays which are completely subjective to the interpretation of what they think is illegal on the day, then they can rule on a forward pass.