Why does rugby league have trouble expanding internationally compared to other codes

[Knownothing]

Well, that's your opinion. And in a free society we are all at liberty to have opinions, which is kind of the whole point.


But your assertion that the popularity of one or another professional sport, or any other entertainment, depends on what the general public is fed, is just bewildering.


The public is "fed" what the public wants to pay for. That is how professional sport works.

 

[Whatwhere]

My word you are showing all the hallmarks of your toffee nosed, insular & bigoted upbringing(my parents worked hard as well and had no issues with public education you toffee nosed twat!) You have provided this thread with an admission that you played both RU & RL at St Gregory's Campbelltown. (One of the rugby league 'only 'playing schools?)

Not only have you tried to "glorify" "off the ball" play(which most people seeking sports entertainment do not watch or value) you still can't figure that RL is far more appealing to watch & play than RU? It's astonishing your apathy and ignorance. You do have your own opinion and, in a way, it does open up this discourse to further emphasize the short comings of the RU code, so for that, I must inadvertently thank you.

You are a toffee nosed private school twat and your "no neck" stance on sport is deplorable! Seriously, that 'off the ball play' stuff occurs in all football codes. RL just happens to have more "on the ball" play for both the player and its audience. It's very simple . If one code, RL, has about 600 tackles(therefore 600 ball runs) in a total game and RU has 150 tackles(therefore150 ball runs in a game) then the code of RL is surely showing more of what the public at large want to see and that is tackling and running with the ball.

Highlights(really lowlights) like "ballet performances" line outs don't cut it with the genuine sporting public and the scrum that looks like an aphid and has minor possession change is another fallacy that is 'championed' by your type. Oh! I forgot about kicking out on the full as well. My word such a boring game that union and run by toffee nosed, deceitful bigots as well!!

Please go back to your Gin & tonic and your toffee nosed non tackling, unsportsmanlike hole if you can't acknowledge these very real facts!.

BTW after my final game of rugby union, I told the mostly 'chubby" pack of forwards: "This game(RU) is a farce, no one knows how weak it really is! You should be ashamed of yourselves pretending this is hard & tough! The general public are not aware of this at all!"

And you've snapped.

 

[Whatwhere]

So that's the problem right there. The general public are just straight out ignorant, and are easily manipulated by a bunch of toffee nosed deceitful bigots.

Not much hope for the human race, is there?

It's real tinfoil hat stuff, isn't it?

 

[Whatwhere]

Listen LJC you need to stop with the lying. You got pulled up for this blatant falsehood under your last handle. 600 "Tackles" doesn't account for 600 "Runs" when 2 or 3 players on the same tackle get credited with that tackle, something Rugby doesn't do. And why do "Runs" make a game more appealing?? Why isn't passing just as important? There is more passing in Rugby than League at the moment and a lot of people find that more appealing than run, tackle, run, tackle, run tackle. Why not kicking? there is more Kicking in League than Rugby some people find that more appealing.

The thing you cant get through that head of yours, with the billions of people in this world they all have different tastes. League and rugby are no better and no worse than any other sport that people enjoy. You go on about the "Bigotry" in rugby but fail to see you are every bit a bigot as those people you claim to hate.

And I cant wait until you pull out your "Friends in high places" line that goes beyond stupid.

There's no point. He really doesn't see the irony in his posts.

 

[Stallion]

There's no point. He really doesn't see the irony in his posts.

Some don't see the logic either!

It's quite possible for such an oppression of a rival sport to occur and that is not fair , particularly as the repressed sport (RL)has more things going for it than the oppressor(RU).

Just pointing out the inequities and the examples of repression surely has many more people thinking about what has been going on. That's a worthy pursuit.

Bye bye!

 

[Whatwhere]

Some don't see the logic either!

It's quite possible for such an oppression of a rival sport to occur and that is not fair , particularly as the repressed sport (RL)has more things going for it than the oppressor(RU).

Just pointing out the inequities and the examples of repression surely has many more people thinking about what has been going on. That's a worthy pursuit.

Bye bye!

Shh...it's okay. Breathe. Relax. It will be okay. But seriously buddy. Getting this worked up over something that in the grand scale of things (I'm talking about sport here) really isn't healthy. Your bitchfit of a rant earlier suggests you need to walk away for a little while.

 

[ed612313]

For your information, I did play League. It was the first sport I ever played back when I was young living in Miller. I also played it during my time at HS. I'll even tell which school I attended. Are you ready? St Gregory's College, Campbelltown. You may be familiar with it as a source of many, many NSWRL come ARL come NRL players during its 90 years.

As for the physical side of the game. I've played Prop in both. My experience would suggest that Rugby is by far the more physical. To apply a war analogy to either as a Prop. League (that's what I'm calling it. Always have always will and some tit on the internet with his knickers in a twist isn't going to change that so tough shit) is like firing artillery. Speed and momentum mixed with weight hitting a largely stationary line. In Rugby on the otherhand its hand to hand combat. Man for man, pound for pound.

Haha...
Yeah sure you did.....
This statement alone proves you are talking rubbish.
I attended Newington College. Played both codes growing up and was paid to play Rugby in Ireland at a semi professional level over a decade ago.
Union is not, in any position, more physical than League and if you try to argue that it shows you have never played league.

 

[Whatwhere]

Haha...
Yeah sure you did.....
This statement alone proves you are talking rubbish.
I attended Newington College. Played both codes growing up and was paid to play Rugby in Ireland at a semi professional level over a decade ago.
Union is not, in any position, more physical than League and if you try to argue that it shows you have never played league.

Which club?

So you're saying that a sport where you have to contest the tackle against the opposing side which involves colliding into one another, has powered scrums that involves a 'hit' and requires you to lift another human over the level of your head isn't as physical as a sport where you just run into others or have others run into you?

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

As union is a contact sport rugby league is a collision sport.

 

[Whatwhere]

As union is a contact sport rugby league is a collision sport.

Answer me this. What is the result when one or more masses move directly toward one another? Note that only one mass needs momentum for it to still be a collision. Now, how do teams promote the ball up the field in Rugby? Don't give me the kicking it shit.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Ten metre rule adds plenty more momentum. Momentum needs to be stopped, collisions tend to happen. Contact happens when you are in the line face to face. Less momentum equals less contact.

 

[BODISGOD]

Utter bollocks.

Utter bollix?


Watch this documentary from the 60s. The North coming down to raid Welsh rugby union stars, none of whom played rugby league growing up.

Plenty went North.

RL made no effort to grow the international game. They had plenty of Welsh stars but failed to build an international game. If RL is such a great game and anyone who watches will fall in love, then it was up to RL to sell their sport with these international standards.

 

[BODISGOD]

Not only did Union ban anyone who played even a single game of rugby league, whether they were paid or not, but they actually removed their names from all records. What other sport did that? That's before you factor in the shamateurism that completely negates any high and mighty ethos Union liked to hold. Not only that but the sport basically proved it had been wrong for 100 years by turning fully pro at exactly the same time as RL.

Plenty, actually.

This continues TO THIS DAY within NCAA sports. You get paid, you lose all records. End off.

Lets talk about exclusion from Amateur sports orgs, which banned professionals over the years;

- The FA until 1885
- Open Era Tennis: did not launch until 1968
- The Olympics gradually relaxed their rules from 1972. Jim Thorpe, possibly the greatest American athlete of all time, was stripped of his 1912 medals. It wasn't until the late 70s when the United States started relaxing their rules, leading to the Dream Team in 1992. Most Olympic Sports were stridently Amateur and had strict rules against this
- Gaelic Games until the 1970s

It's quite amazing just how ignorant many rugby league zealots are of this.

There's plenty of logical reasons why a sport would like to remain amateur and indeed sports organisations. Since rugby union has gone professional, it has decimated 1st team club rugby in many countries. In order to pay affordable salaries, the best players rationalised into provinces/franchises. Younger players who once went to a rugby club for life, if they are any use and want to go pro, will look after number 1.

There is no escaping that in the years where rugby league had the money, as often as they were "impeded", they shot themselves in the foot. I posted the links above, you had club chairmen from Wigan, Leeds et al going south to get talent. They got plenty of talent - but where was the showcasing of this talent in these regions where the talent was plucked from? There was nothing to stop them going into Cardiff and putting on games, absolutely nothing.

Look at all these players who converted in Wales;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dual-code_rugby_internationals#Wales

That is an incredible amount of talent taken over a century, the vast majority of whom never played rugby league growing up. You can piss and moan about rugby union being meanies to rugby league, but RL flashed the cash and brought these players up. Where was the money and showcasting of this sport in Wales?

 

[Whatwhere]

Ten metre rule adds plenty more momentum. Momentum needs to be stopped, collisions tend to happen. Contact happens when you are in the line face to face. Less momentum equals less contact.

Only if that momentum is matched by the opposing force. Which it is not. You are effectively running into a largely passive line which greatly lessens the impact generally.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Oh OK then.

Shakes head and leaves.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

OK bog. Tell me, did any of those sports you mention ban anyone from playing any other sport?

Did any other sport scratch a persons name from history because they played another sport at its highest level?

NO, none did.

Union did and does though and that's the whole freaking point you dumb merkin.

What other sports did has no relevance to what you are trying to twist across.

Only union banned people for enjoying other sports. No one else did.

It'll never sink in, look at your attitude here at this site,the whole time zealot this and zealot that, how about pissing off and posting about you fav game and leave the zealotry here be?

Dickhead.

 

[Whatwhere]

Oh OK then.

Shakes head and leaves.

Unable to argue so tries to be patronising. Yep, seems right.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

It has nothing to do with RL expanding and everything to do with bringing more yawn yawn into the discussion which is all you want.

We get it, you love union, talk about its finer details in the Union section. There is nothing you can say here we haven't heard and argued about before, the others never managed to change any of our opinions on rugby versus union so what makes you think you have a hope?

 

[BODISGOD]

OK bog. Tell me, did any of those sports you mention ban anyone from playing any other sport?

Did any other sport scratch a persons name from history because they played another sport at its highest level?

NO, none did.

Union did and does though and that's the whole freaking point you dumb merkin.

What other sports did has no relevance to what you are trying to twist across.

Only union banned people for enjoying other sports. No one else did.

It'll never sink in, look at your attitude here at this site,the whole time zealot this and zealot that, how about pissing off and posting about you fav game and leave the zealotry here be?

Dickhead.

The IOC, can you not read?

The NCAA, can you not read?

The GAA, can you not read?

Amazing the ignorance we see.

I pointed nearly 100 Welsh International Union players who went to international league in the old days and asked why RL could not spread the sport. They had the money and they could attract players. Where was the investment at the lower levels?

None, because rugby league clubs were inherently selfish and didn't give a f**k. Yet you blame rugby union for your woes when you were raiding the union playing stocks for years with little issue.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

And yet not one of those sports banned anyone from their sport if they played another before or after.

You just don't get it and you never will, I think it's on purpose actually.