Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

[Brutus]

Ballymore would be a ridiculous option for a 2nd team. Has anyone tried parking there? Herston aint the suberb for a 2nd team and Ballymore aint the stadium. It's the 3rd best stadium/ground in Brisbane though. The Broncos used to do pre-season training on the nearby Kelvin Grove Uni sporting field and they played a trial there earlier in the year. That's as close as we should go to it.

Why play there when the Suncorp option, with its proximity to the city and public transport conveniences, would be available? Not to mention it being the best stadium in Australia - yes, better than the friggin MCG.

 

[Brutus]

If Ballymore was used, any second Brisbane would be paying the QRU for ground hire.

 

[joshreading]

I would be trying to make a significant distinction between a new QLD Club and the Broncos

Name: South Queensland Dolphins (but administratively and largely training wise based out of Springfield) Try to Get a wider geographic base together. Get Ipswich Jets/Logan City and Redcliffe to back it. (you could also go for something pretty Australian like "Diggers" but would have to work out something with RSL etc)

Ground: 8 Marquee games (titans/Broncos/Cowboys etc which could all going close to selling out) out of suncorp with some key 'minor games' at smaller venues (so long as capacity is brought up over 15 000) eg. Dolphin Oval, Stockland Park (quad park), Toowoomba (CB Park) etc.

I think this would guarantee big crowds at the 'marquee games', capacity at smaller venues whilst connecting with a wider supporter base. They could truly become a South Queensland team. In playing at a wider variety of venues they could also seek specific support from local councils/businesses that otherwise would like not connect with them.

Membership I would also suggest a hybrid community/corporate ownership model of local sporting teams/general people and corporate interest.

Such would also contrast with the sole corporate ownership model of the Broncos.

"SQ Diggers" the peoples team

 

[Lycon79]

Yes but that was a long time ago and any hatred these teams had towards the likes of Brothers and Valleys has evaporated. It's now all fond memories.

The Brisbane Diehards would be a lasting symbol for the old BRL and I reckon many of the old fans would jump on board if marketed correctly.


Great name too.

But keep coming up with ideas for a 2nd Brisbane team peoples. There's probably a better one than this out there. I'm sure there is.

I like the sound of Brisbane Brothers. I was a huge Brothers fan when I was younger before the Broncos. But would I support them now instead of the Broncs probably not unfortunatly. But thinking about it does bring back good memories so I get where your coming from.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Unless newtown has a connection with a Ipswich team or south qld team can they be called the "jets"? I would think that just like gold coast wanting the name dolphins which conflicts with redcliffe, that jets would not be an option for a new teams name. Unless like previousy stated they have a newtown connection.

 

[Perth Red]

aren't Ipswich called the jets?

 

[simostorm]

yea the are,. Ipswich Jets.

 

[Smiley]

Ipswich launches audacious bid to push in on Broncos territory

A CONSORTIUM from Ipswich is preparing a bid to rival Central Coast, Perth and Central Queensland for a place in the NRL in 2013.

And that will challenge and the Broncos and Titans for a slice of the lucrative southeast Queensland market.

With the NRL spruiking the prospect of expansion, The Australian can reveal officials from Ipswich, a 45-minute drive west of Brisbane, held talks with chief executive David Gallop this month and are in the process of conducting a feasibility study with a view to making a formal bid for entry to the premiership.

Consortium member Stephen Johnson, chairman of state league side the Ipswich Jets, confirmed his group was serious about preparing a bid with the support of local government.

Johnson stressed the side would initially play at Suncorp Stadium but eventually look to build a stadium in Ipswich. And they could enter the competition without eroding the power base of the Broncos.

The NRL has spoken openly of its desire to have a third team in southeast Queensland, although the clubs are opposed to expansion in the foreseeable future.

The final decision is likely to rest with the Independent Commission when it is formed.

"We have no doubt we can put together a team to compete in the NRL," Johnson said.

"We believe Brisbane deserves a second team.

"We tick all the boxes that the NRL requires. Obviously there are other areas that feel they're entitled to put in a bid.

"We will certainly put together at the right time a very persuasive and powerful bid for inclusion which I think the NRL couldn't knock back."

Asked how the club would survive alongside the Broncos, Johnson said: "We wouldn't see ourselves as competitors for the Broncos.

"The Broncos are doing a wonderful job in bringing local talent up but there's a lot more local talent which can't play with the Broncos."
Ipswich has been a fertile ground for rugby league.

The Walters brothers - Kevin, Kerrod and Steve - plus Allan Langer (all Kangaroos) emerged from the region from 1987. In the late 1950s, Australia's entire front row was made up of players from Ipswich - Dud Beattie, Noel Kelly and Gary Parcell.

"It's not necessarily about diluting the Broncos but recognising the strength of the game in Brisbane," Gallop said.

"The Broncos are the benchmark in commercial matters as well as developing talent and it is easy to see where a second team in Brisbane would be attractive when you look at expansion."

While rival NRL clubs are reluctant to expand due to a lack of money in the game, they have an interest in loosening the Broncos' grip on southeast Queensland.

"The purpose of our meeting with David was to tell him the (Ipswich) clubs were putting something forward," Johnson said. "He has an obligation to the game to make sure if they choose to expand it, expand in the areas rugby league needs. We believe a second side in Brisbane is the No 1 priority."

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Pretty sure you will find that Ribot is involved in the consortium.

 

[Perth Red]

Getting interesting with 4 def bids, 2 lead contenders and now Ipswich suggesting they may bid. Can't say that sounded a very definate comment though. I wonder as the time gets nearer if we will see a Wellington bid develop?

 

[applesauce]

Wow the Bears could get f**ked over again here.

 

[Perth Tiger]

Wow the Bears could get f**ked over again here.

If they don't have one of the top two bids I fail to see how that is being f**ked over.

If they do have one of the top two bids I am sure they will be admitted

 

[Perth Red]

Given past history though it doesn't always seem to come down to the best bid! Whilst I can see the logic and advantages to having a extra Q'land team over an extra NSW team it would be grossly unfair on the Bears who have done everything you could ask for in terms of putting a bid together. If they do get flipped then they should be fuming, if the NRL has no intention of putting another NSW team in or wants to keep Gosford for a relocation of an existing team then they should have told the Bears that 5 years ago.

I see this playing out one of three ways:
1. the NRL decide they want a strong heartland certainty and an expansion side = Bears and Reds
2. the NRL decide a 2nd Brisbane team is the best option for the comp = Reds and Ipswich (if they get their act together)
3. the NRL decide to give up ever becoming more than an East coast comp and go for two safe options = Bears and Ipswich

You could transpose CQ for Ipswich in any of those scenarios if Ipswich bid is just smoke and mirrors accept option 3 as I feel the NRL will realise it is beter to take a punt on Perth than on CQ.
3.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

:shock: I really, really hope they go about this the right way. Would be massive for the game to have a second Brisbane team.

Wow the Bears could get f**ked over again here.

If the Bears don't make it they have no-one to blame but themselves. Ditto the Reds and CQ.

 

[Perth Red]

Not strictly speaking true! If the NRL decide another Q'land side is preferable to another NSW side (ala Titans), or don't have the vision of taking the game to new cities then it doesn't really matter how good the bid is. TBF though the NRL doesn't have that level of strategy or vision apparently so as with most things they do it will be reactive and a reaction to what they perceive the strongest bids.

 

[Bro Bear]

If they do have one of the top two bids I am sure they will be admitted

They are the top bid but will News Ltd with the NRL see it that way. I hope so. Our bid was better than the Gold Coast and then Gallop lets them get one more year to develop their bid.

Has to be the Bears and a second Brisbane team/WA.

 

[Loudstrat]

I would be trying to make a significant distinction between a new QLD Club and the Broncos

Name: South Queensland Dolphins (but administratively and largely training wise based out of Springfield) Try to Get a wider geographic base together. Get Ipswich Jets/Logan City and Redcliffe to back it. (you could also go for something pretty Australian like "Diggers" but would have to work out something with RSL etc)

Ground: 8 Marquee games (titans/Broncos/Cowboys etc which could all going close to selling out) out of suncorp with some key 'minor games' at smaller venues (so long as capacity is brought up over 15 000) eg. Dolphin Oval, Stockland Park (quad park), Toowoomba (CB Park) etc.

I think this would guarantee big crowds at the 'marquee games', capacity at smaller venues whilst connecting with a wider supporter base. They could truly become a South Queensland team. In playing at a wider variety of venues they could also seek specific support from local councils/businesses that otherwise would like not connect with them.

Membership I would also suggest a hybrid community/corporate ownership model of local sporting teams/general people and corporate interest.

Such would also contrast with the sole corporate ownership model of the Broncos.

"SQ Diggers" the peoples team

Great. You base the cloub in the boonies away frm the corporates, and play half their games in nuffy local ovals that would crak under the strain of 5k.

I cannot understand te continued f*cking stupidity of Queenslanders. For years you swore black and blue that Suncorp should host a GF - now it cannot host first grade RL on a weekly basis?

And ballymore???? Like having a jewish wedding in a mosque. If it was so good how come Yawnion use Suncorp?

 

[Scarves]

After reading all the pro's and con's on these forums, and after listening to David Gallop speak, it's not hard to do the math.

If the consortium that is the Bears tried to relocate their plan to S/E Queensland instead of the Central Coast of NSW, they would be a dead set $1.01 favourite.

What holds the Bears bid back is that the Central Coast area has always been the kind of area the NRL hoped a "current" Sydney club would take the bait and relocate. You can deride this comment but it's been proven by previous action. In 2004 the league cancelled expansion plans, then brought them back on the agenda the following year when the Gold Coast were finally ready. And that was when the Bears bid had the backing of John Singleton.

All that can save the Central Coast Bears bid is if a Sydney club relocated to Queensland or Perth. The current NRL wants extra teams in Perth and Sth Queensland. Heck I recall David Gallop trying to manufacture an Ipswich / West Brisbane bid last year, and while this is going on the current 16 clubs do not want expansion. Either way when an independant commission is running the game they'll be looking for strategic placement of new clubs or no expansion at all, and that way of thinking doesn't bode well for the Central Coast Bears bid.

An issue I've always had with the Central Coast bid as a new club is the effect upon the Knights who are already struggling financially. I can't see too many differences between the Coast and Newcastle, both have ready built home grounds, both have large rugby league support bases, both have little in the way of large corporate support, and the notion that the North Sydney business hub will support the Coast Bears over the long term doesn't wash with me. The Central Coast of New South Wales has as much to do with North Sydney, as the Labor Party has with spotting a good deal on a school hall.

 

[jim_57]

Great. Now Queenslanders are copying seppos ffs!

The Jets were blue, not green. Canberra is Green. Randwick are green. Newtown was definitely blue.

Really? And what has that got to do with the colours of the IPSWICH Jets? :roll:

Although it does raise the question of whether a new Brisbane team could get away with the name "Jets". Maybe they could link with Newtown to sweeten the deal somehow.

 

[docbrown]

An issue I've always had with the Central Coast bid as a new club is the effect upon the Knights who are already struggling financially. I can't see too many differences between the Coast and Newcastle, both have ready built home grounds, both have large rugby league support bases

As a Knights fan I'm not sure how many Central Coasters actually follow the team. I'm sure there'd be a few but I suspect most of the support comes from Newcastle, Lake Macquarie, Hunter and Port Stephens.

I think though that any expansion team needs to be able to prove that it can an initial crowd average of around 14,000 minimum before being admitted. I've read that the Bears are aiming for 15,000 and to me this seems quite contradictory to the point of expansion. NRL needs to grow its crowd average. We have too many teams that pull less than 10,000 during the year and it's a bad look for the game. The idea of expansion is to grow the game not to add more undersupported teams - not saying the CC Bears or any other team would do that necessarily - just we should ensure that they don't.

I think the goal for all clubs should be to have a minimum of 10,000 financial members as a core supporter base - and this should apply to any expansion team.

 

[Timbo]

Bears are going to get screwed again here.

Jets and Reds would be verrrrry tempting.