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Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

Should the NRL introduce two new teams


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Perth Red

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NRL would be crazy not to use some of its new found wealth to move the game into a new market so that means we are probably the faves in that sense. They need another team to give the extra fixture Tv will expect for its extra money. I am pretty sure if a really strong Sth Queensland bid was on the table the Bears would be stuffed, as it is Ipswich are a long way behind the race leaders and unless they dramatically get some massive backing in the next 4-6 months it will be the Reds and Bears.
 

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NRL would be crazy not to use some of its new found wealth to move the game into a new market so that means we are probably the faves in that sense. They need another team to give the extra fixture Tv will expect for its extra money. I am pretty sure if a really strong Sth Queensland bid was on the table the Bears would be stuffed, as it is Ipswich are a long way behind the race leaders and unless they dramatically get some massive backing in the next 4-6 months it will be the Reds and Bears.

I'd suspect next year's timeline is too soon for a 2nd Brisbane team to come together for 2013. They'd be wanting to confirm something by the end of 2011 to ensure there's a full year to prepare after admittance.

Gallop's language is all about an extra game/time slot/heartland/new area - so 2 teams - Reds 99% chance, Bears 70%, CQLD 30%. These numbers are purely subjective.The thing that makes CQLD 30% is that it's not NSW obviously but still a heartland.
 

Perth Red

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I think I heard Gallop say that bids would be assessed mid 2011 as that is when they expect to tie up the TV deal and know if they have the $'s. Agree a 2nd Brisbane teamhas probably left it too late by 12 months. Having said that wouldn't be at all surprised if they didn't announce Reds in 2013 and 2nd Brisbane in 2014 if they like th elook of the Ipswich bid but feel it ned smore development time, Bears have been stuffed like this before!
 

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Bugger CQ and CC, we need to get into the cities and stop thinking about regional teams.

In expansion I'd have Perth as 1st option and Adelaide 2nd.
CC and CQ should be relocations, even Perth and Adelaide would be better as relocations, if possible.

AFL will have 2 teams in Sydney soon and 2 in SE Qld, RL territories. :(
They have 2 in Perth, 2 in Adelaide and have relocated teams out of Melbourne and even merged some.

Meanwhile we're looking at CC and CQ. Lets just throw Dubbo, Wagga, Mt Isa and NSW North Coast in as well and rename the comp ECRRL - East Coast Regional Rugby League.
 
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Bro Bear

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Adelaide with its 4 or 6 junior clubs - well that would be great idea.

Has to be CC Bears and Perth Reds.

Eight months out and Ipswich with Ribot decide to enter a team.

CC Bears have wanted a team there since 1998. They deserve a team.
 

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Bugger CQ and CC, we need to get into the cities and stop thinking about regional teams.

In expansion I'd have Perth as 1st option and Adelaide 2nd.
CC and CQ should be relocations, even Perth and Adelaide would be better as relocations, if possible.

AFL will have 2 teams in Sydney soon and 2 in SE Qld, RL territories. :(
They have 2 in Perth, 2 in Adelaide and have relocated teams out of Melbourne and even merged some.

Meanwhile we're looking at CC and CQ. Lets just throw Dubbo, Wagga, Mt Isa and NSW North Coast in as well and rename the comp ECRRL - East Coast Regional Rugby League.

explain why Adelaide, the capital City with the least % of Eastern Staters and Kiwis per capita, a rust belt town fundamentally AFL in belief, with bugger all mid tier sponsor support?

Adelaide needs a relocation to work, and no one is moving. Do you not wonder why the AFL moved the Swans and Lions to non AFL Cities?

no bid has come out of the Adelaide woodwork for a reason!
 

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Of all the potential markets, Adelaide requires the most work with the least likelihood of success.

Would be a silly move, and I'm a fan of a team there. I just think there are other areas that are more important.
 

Schiltzenberger

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Adelaide with its 4 or 6 junior clubs - well that would be great idea.

Has to be CC Bears and Perth Reds.

Eight months out and Ipswich with Ribot decide to enter a team.

CC Bears have wanted a team there since 1998. They deserve a team.
Perth only has 8 clubs, and not every age group is catered for. They have u/7, u/9, u/11 etc.
My son played u/7 in Sydney then we moved here the following season and he had to play u/9. He got smashed several times playing against kids older than him, he was never a standout player anyway but playing against older bigger players turned him right off, he was small and passive for his own age let alone playing a year up.

So somehow Perth is far superior to Adelaide because it has maybe 2 extra junior clubs.

So what if the Bears have wanted a team since 1998, that doesn't mean they're entitled to one. Newtown have probably wanted to be back in since the 80s, do they deserve it more then?

explain why Adelaide, the capital City with the least % of Eastern Staters and Kiwis per capita, a rust belt town fundamentally AFL in belief, with bugger all mid tier sponsor support?

Adelaide needs a relocation to work, and no one is moving. Do you not wonder why the AFL moved the Swans and Lions to non AFL Cities?

no bid has come out of the Adelaide woodwork for a reason!
Well I did say that I preferred relocation for Adelaide and Perth.
Of course no one wants to move, that's why the NRL need to step in and start forcing some moves or start culling some teams. Sydney has too many teams and you people want to stick another one in the area.

The AFL moved teams to non AFL cities because they had some foresight and wanted to grow their game. RL fans don't seem to want to grow their game, you are all happy to keep bringing in new teams to clog up the Eastern seaboard. Let's bring in Coffs Harbour and Port Macquarie, they'll bring in more sponsorship dollars and a bigger TV deal than bringing in Adelaide.:roll:

Of all the potential markets, Adelaide requires the most work with the least likelihood of success.

Would be a silly move, and I'm a fan of a team there. I just think there are other areas that are more important.
Oh dear, it's too hard, so why bother?
The AFL had a lot of hard work to do when they sent teams to Sydney and Brisbane.

Lets just forget the cities and don't worry about being a proper national game, lets just bring in CC, CQ, move the Storm to Dubbo and move the Warriors to Coffs Harbour. Then we can all feel warm and fuzzy knowing that the NRL has looked after it's already strong areas.:roll:
 

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Lets just forget the cities and don't worry about being a proper national game, lets just bring in CC, CQ, move the Storm to Dubbo and move the Warriors to Coffs Harbour. Then we can all feel warm and fuzzy knowing that the NRL has looked after it's already strong areas.:roll:

Did I say that professor?

No, I said there are areas which make more sense. Which there are. Show me how Adelaide makes more sense than Perth, Ipswich, Gosford or Wellington?

As for your Perth story - it has more clubs than Adelaide. It doesn't matter if there is one more or a hundred more. It has more. Therefore it's a better expansion bet. What's so hard to get about that?
 

Bro Bear

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I think the goal for all clubs should be to have a minimum of 10,000 financial members as a core supporter base - and this should apply to any expansion team.

How many current NRL clubs have 10,000 financial members. If it is the standard for expansion teams then it should be the same for current NRL clubs.
 

Perth Red

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Schiltz you think the RL scene is small here you shoud go to Adelaide! Perth is a decade ahead of Adelaide in every RL sense.

Having said that the NRL should be doing some work to improve the situation in SA. Working with the SARL, funding NRL games to be played there, offering a big carrot for a partial reloaction in the future, getting the game on FTA TV etc would be a start!
 

BDH

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Let's face it, except for on this message board, nobody honestly believes Adelaide will have another RL team......at least not in the next 50 years.
 

simostorm

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Adelaide is obsessed with AFL now almost like Victoria.. you talk to the ppl there and they dont even know what Rugby League is..
 

Lockyer4President!

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Adelaide is obsessed with AFL now almost like Victoria.. you talk to the ppl there and they dont even know what Rugby League is..
How many people followed the ARL/SL comps in Melbourne in 1997?
How many Victorians were watching the NRL & Origin in 2007?
How many will there be in 2017?

As with everything else in life, the hardest part is the first step.
 

adamkungl

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Adelaide could work as a relocation. They might need propping up for years, like Melbourne, but crowds wise I think they could average 10,000 in their early days.
 

Loudstrat

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L4P, that particular first step is like the one off the grand canyon into the gaping abyss.

Well I did say that I preferred relocation for Adelaide and Perth.
Of course no one wants to move, that's why the NRL need to step in and start forcing some moves or start culling some teams. Sydney has too many teams and you people want to stick another one in the area.
Says who? Sydney has the lions share of the strong viable teams. The ones not propped up by News Ltd and the ones not starving - except Cronulla.

T
he AFL moved teams to non AFL cities because they had some foresight and wanted to grow their game. RL fans don't seem to want to grow their game, you are all happy to keep bringing in new teams to clog up the Eastern seaboard. Let's bring in Coffs Harbour and Port Macquarie, they'll bring in more sponsorship dollars and a bigger TV deal than bringing in Adelaide.:roll:
AFL had nowhere else to go dickwad. Where is 400k + of pure AFL heartland waiting for a side?

You seem to think the sub 10k crowds that Adelaide would enjoy would be a wonderful bonanza to the game - and far better than the 15k+ crowds at Gosford.


Oh dear, it's too hard, so why bother?
The AFL had a lot of hard work to do when they sent teams to Sydney and Brisbane.
As I said, where else would they go? Uluru???

Lets just forget the cities and don't worry about being a proper national game, lets just bring in CC, CQ, move the Storm to Dubbo and move the Warriors to Coffs Harbour. Then we can all feel warm and fuzzy knowing that the NRL has looked after it's already strong areas.:roll:
Lets punt all clubs in NSW and send them to areas that have never heard of Rugby league. Don't worry about where the $ comes from, or the juniors, or the fans. If you have a crowd of 2 at the first game and 3 in the second, you are growing the game by a whopping 50%!!!!

Better still, get a f*cking lobotomy and improve your IQ.
 

Loudstrat

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Adelaide could work as a relocation. They might need propping up for years, like Melbourne, but crowds wise I think they could average 10,000 in their early days.

Average 10k and need propping up for years. And add air fares.

How the f*ck is that better than Cronulla????????
 

Schiltzenberger

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Did I say that professor?

No, I said there are areas which make more sense. Which there are. Show me how Adelaide makes more sense than Perth, Ipswich, Gosford or Wellington?

As for your Perth story - it has more clubs than Adelaide. It doesn't matter if there is one more or a hundred more. It has more. Therefore it's a better expansion bet. What's so hard to get about that?
Professor? you insult someone after not even reading the post properly. I clearly said Perth before Adelaide, is it that hard to understand? How the hell did you get me thinking Adelaide before Perth? learn to read, professor.:p
Gosford will pretty much be another Sydney team and will offer little to a new TV deal, I have no problem with a Sydney team relocating there though.
Ipswich has some merit, as it would lessen the Broncos empire a little.
Wellington is not needed at all, we have a NZ team and they have been a basket case for most of their time in the comp. I could see it in the future but we need to get Australia right first.

Schiltz you think the RL scene is small here you shoud go to Adelaide! Perth is a decade ahead of Adelaide in every RL sense.

Having said that the NRL should be doing some work to improve the situation in SA. Working with the SARL, funding NRL games to be played there, offering a big carrot for a partial reloaction in the future, getting the game on FTA TV etc would be a start!
Yeah I know, but the AFL scene in Sydney and Brisbane would have been pitiful when they got the teams sent there too. This is about planning for years down the track, building support in the city. If we just looked at and folded our arms and said "it's just too hard" then RL deserves to be eaten up by other codes.

I'm not having a go at Perth, I'd love to see a team here, for me it's priority number 1.
I'm just saying that people seem so sure that Perth is ready, which I agree with, but somehow Adelaide will never be ready or not for 50 years etc. When there is actually a similar amount of clubs.
Perth's 1st year in 1995 they averaged 13k crowds.
Adelaide's 1st year in 1997 they averaged 15k crowds.
Perth may have more interest at the moment but I don''t think Adelaide would be as far behind as people think.

Adelaide is obsessed with AFL now almost like Victoria.. you talk to the ppl there and they dont even know what Rugby League is..
Not many people in Perth have a clue either. It gets nearly no coverage here, virtually no air time on the news and very little in the paper. When you mention you follow league to people their 1st question is "do you follow the Force?".
Perth may be in front of Adelaide but not by much.

Says who? Sydney has the lions share of the strong viable teams. The ones not propped up by News Ltd and the ones not starving - except Cronulla.
Viable teams? the most viable team happens to be the Broncos. I didn't realise they were a Sydney team. Melbourne may be propped up but that money isn't being sucked away form Sydney clubs, the money propping them up wouldn't be available if the Storm weren't in the comp.

Lots of people think there are too many Sydney teams.
We need expansion for the sake of the game, so are we going to keep adding teams and just leave all the Sydney teams there as well?
Ok, lets go for a 24 team comp, with teams full of Nevilles and show a sh*tty product to fans. Yeah real clever that one is.

AFL had nowhere else to go dickwad. Where is 400k + of pure AFL heartland waiting for a side?
How about Hobart? you stupid moronic dick, it's so easy to throw insults at people in a forum, what a f**king hero you are.
Hobart has a population of 220k, with 500k in Tasmania. That's a bloody decent place to start.
Hobart itself may not be your magical 400k but the state is pure AFL heartland and it has 500k that will support a team out of Hobart.

You seem to think the sub 10k crowds that Adelaide would enjoy would be a wonderful bonanza to the game - and far better than the 15k+ crowds at Gosford.
Adelaide averaged over 15k in their 1st season.
They averaged under 10k in their 2nd season in one of your brilliant 20 team, half of them in Sydney, type comps. Lots of teams had a drop in crowds around that time though as well. It may have had something to do with an uncertain future, most people thought the Rams would get cut, and they did.

As I said, where else would they go? Uluru???
As I mentioned Hobart would be able to Support a team. The NRL might look into Uluru though, if it was sitting within 100kms of Sydney it would be a shoe in.

Lets punt all clubs in NSW and send them to areas that have never heard of Rugby league. Don't worry about where the $ comes from, or the juniors, or the fans. If you have a crowd of 2 at the first game and 3 in the second, you are growing the game by a whopping 50%!!!!
I never said get rid of all NSW teams pinhead. We need to get rid of a few Sydney teams though, through mergers or relocations.
Yes we do need to start teams up in some places that aren't RL heartlands, it's called growing the game. We'd also be getting more money through the TV deal as well.
As you don't want RL to grow, I gather you'd rather go back to having a Sydney comp and a Brisbane comp, f**king brilliant.
Better still, get a f*cking lobotomy and improve your IQ.
If I did, I'd still have more than twice your IQ dickhead.

Average 10k and need propping up for years. And add air fares.

How the f*ck is that better than Cronulla????????

See, you have no clue whatsoever.
Adelaide may need propping up, like Melbourne. That extra money for propping them up would come from the extra cash in the TV deal and sponsors that know their logos will be seen over the country rather than just in the Sydney suburbs like you want.

Also, having Cronulla in there means the league doesn't increase the salary cap because they can't cope with it. Cronulla are dragging teams down to their level. If we pissed them off or relocated them to a spot where they'd get more money then we'd be able to increase the salary cap and hold onto players that have been leaving.

Bugger that, lets let our RL players leave for AFL, Union and ESL so we can keep the likes of Cronulla in the comp and have watered down weakened teams playing our game.:roll::crazy:
 
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Perth Red

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Average 10k and need propping up for years. And add air fares.

How the f*ck is that better than Cronulla????????

Didn't they avg 15k in their first year over a decade ago?

What is this BS about air fares? FFS we have a water polo team and a baseball team that plays in a national comp and can afford airfares from Perth!

Sometimes the lack of faith in our game and what it could be is dismaying. It's little wonder 100 years on its played in just 4 small parts of the world with game in front of less than 10k people.
 

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