Wing in Parramatta's sights

[natheel]

hate all this speculation lol

 

[Dav3]

I think ur all concentrating too much on this word "huge", and some of the names mentioned are just ridiculous considering our salary cap issues anddd the statements made about further recruitment for next season.

And who eva thinks gidley is not a great player has rocks in there heads and has never played a game of rugby league in there lives.

 

[natheel]

I think ur all concentrating too much on this word "huge", and some of the names mentioned are just ridiculous considering our salary cap issues anddd the statements made about further recruitment for next season.

And who eva thinks gidley is not a great player has rocks in there heads and has never played a game of rugby league in there lives.

i think he's a very good player but imo not great, great to me is putting him in the same category as Johns, lewis sterling etc and i dont think he is up to that standard yet

 

[Eelementary]

I think ur all concentrating too much on this word "huge", and some of the names mentioned are just ridiculous considering our salary cap issues anddd the statements made about further recruitment for next season.

And who eva thinks gidley is not a great player has rocks in there heads and has never played a game of rugby league in there lives.

I've played plenty of rugby league in my day and no, Kurt Gidley is not a 'great' player.

In fact, Kurt Gidley on the weekend spilled the ball when a truly great player, Nathan Hindmarsh, made a beautiful tackle on him.

If Kurt Gidley is great, then Ben Kusto is an Immortal.

 

[Eelementary]

Ok, maybe that comparison was unfair...

But seriously...A great player? You call his monumental f**k-up in the in-goal area in Origin I something a 'great' player would do?

He's a very good player, but not a great player. And he's not that good a fullback, either.

 

[Dav3]

Yeh your so right .. that one play makes him a shocking player.

I'd love to know how many of gidleys games u have actually watched.

He is captaining his side who are in the top four at the moment, he is the deserved captain of the blues and their best player, despite a few mistakes he made in game one and puts hayne and hunt in his back pocket.

 

[natheel]

Ok, maybe that comparison was unfair...

But seriously...A great player? You call his monumental f**k-up in the in-goal area in Origin I something a 'great' player would do?

He's a very good player, but not a great player. And he's not that good a fullback, either.

totally agree with the fullback part...i rekon hes a utility player in origin!!!
and thats where he will be next year when stewart comes back

 

[andrew057]

And he's not that good a fullback, either.

Ill put that down to you being tired. If youre serious you should give it away...seriously.

 

[Eelementary]

Yeah, Gidley was the Blues' best player in Origin I. Hands down. He was so dangerous every time he touched the ball. :roll:

And the old "he's captain so he must be great" line...Right, so Ben Hornby is a great player? This forum's usual scapegoat, Nathan Cayless, is a great player because he's been our captain for so long?

How does he deserve to be mentioned as a great player, when;

(1) for starters, he was only name NSW captain because Gallen is a dumb prick who got caught and suspended for doing the wrong thing;

(2) he hasn't done anything remotely 'great'?

OK, Jarryd Hayne f**ked up a few years ago by throwing that pass that Lockyer pounced on to score. I'll give you that.

But then he also scored a magnificent solo try, and every time he touched the ball in Origin I this year, on the wing with limited space, he looked liek creating something.

I'm not saying that Hayne would have won NSW the game had he played fullback, but I can guarantee one thing - Hayne would have asked a lot more questions of the Queensland defense had he had the opportunities Gidley had.

Gidley's only at fullback because Stewart is out, let's not forget. And the selectors would be loathe to play Hayne at fullback because in their eyes he's not yet a specialist fullback. So they resort to the 'fittest man in league', and "Mr. Utility' to fill the gap.

He's a solid player. But 'great'?

If NSW had a full strength team to choose from, where everyone was in-form and available, where would he play?

* Not at fullback, because Stewart would grab that spot easily
* Not ay 5/8 because Campese/Mullen are flavours of the month
* Not at halfback because the selectors want to stick with Wallace
* Hooker? Yeah - Farah and Wing would have a thing or two to say about that

So where would he play? Wing? Centre? Lock? Maybe - and even then there are far better options.

 

[Eelementary]

Ill put that down to you being tired. If youre serious you should give it away...seriously.

You really think he's in the Hunt, Slater, Bowen echelon of fulbacks?

More power to you, then.

He's an honest toiler at best.

 

[Eelementary]

In fact, how's this:

Burt cops a lot of sh*t, and he isn't a fullback's arsehole, apparently.

Yet I haven't seen him make such a dumb f**king error as Gidley did in Origin I. Pressure or not that was amateurish at best.

But you want to argue that he's the next Ken Thornett, be my guest.

 

[Dav3]

Yeah, Gidley was the Blues' best player in Origin I. Hands down. He was so dangerous every time he touched the ball. :roll:

And the old "he's captain so he must be great" line...Right, so Ben Hornby is a great player? This forum's usual scapegoat, Nathan Cayless, is a great player because he's been our captain for so long?

How does he deserve to be mentioned as a great player, when;

(1) for starters, he was only name NSW captain because Gallen is a dumb prick who got caught and suspended for doing the wrong thing;

(2) he hasn't done anything remotely 'great'?

OK, Jarryd Hayne f**ked up a few years ago by throwing that pass that Lockyer pounced on to score. I'll give you that.

But then he also scored a magnificent solo try, and every time he touched the ball in Origin I this year, on the wing with limited space, he looked liek creating something.

I'm not saying that Hayne would have won NSW the game had he played fullback, but I can guarantee one thing - Hayne would have asked a lot more questions of the Queensland defense had he had the opportunities Gidley had.

Gidley's only at fullback because Stewart is out, let's not forget. And the selectors would be loathe to play Hayne at fullback because in their eyes he's not yet a specialist fullback. So they resort to the 'fittest man in league', and "Mr. Utility' to fill the gap.

He's a solid player. But 'great'?

If NSW had a full strength team to choose from, where everyone was in-form and available, where would he play?

* Not at fullback, because Stewart would grab that spot easily
* Not ay 5/8 because Campese/Mullen are flavours of the month
* Not at halfback because the selectors want to stick with Wallace
* Hooker? Yeah - Farah and Wing would have a thing or two to say about that

So where would he play? Wing? Centre? Lock? Maybe - and even then there are far better options.

You make a few good points.

However, i think your definition of a great player slightly scewed. I need to just point you to your hero nathan hindmarsh, and you'll find your answer there.

No kurt didnt do anything brilliant in origin 1, but that because he probably didnt need to. With a team full of flare and youngsters, gidley knew what his job was.

He stepped in and helped the havles, he was at dummy half everytime farah went for a run to allow, he took pressure of the forwards with hitups and scoots, and here are the stats ..

266 METRES. http://www.nrl.com/repgames/repgame...d/800/fixtureid/5554/infotabid/3/default.aspx

The most metres gained by any nsw player.

The question isnt where would you fit him in the nsw team, its how can you leave him out. Truely, one of the todays greats.

And then he'll go back to his club team on the weekend and provide the spark and flare which he can there, with 150pts + last year and 9 tries which was newcastles highest in both.

I rest my case haha

 

[Eelementary]

Maybe I came off as tad too aggressive...If so, I apologise.

Look, we clearly have differing opinions. I, for one, would not have him at fullback over Hayne. If I was a NSW selector I would seriously consider putting Hayne at fullback for game II simply because he's far more dangerous and electric. And we won't lose anything in terms of defence - if anything, Hayne has shown over the years to have great positional awareness on the field.

Kurt Gidley is a fine player, but more so as a utility or in the halves. He has a good running game, true, and good vision. But I think he's far more suited to 5/8 than fullback, particularly at Origin level. He just doesn't have that 'X factor' to break a game wide open at Origin level like a Hayne, Hunt, Slater or Stewart do in my opinion.

Hence my opinion that he is a very good player, but not a 'great' one, and that he is not that good a fullback.

Clearly some people disagree and that's fine - I don't mean to cause offence (I know some Knights fans may read this and be outraged).

 

[lucablight]

Kurt Gidley is a good player but he has to be at fullback or not in the team at all to utilise his greatest strength which is his kick returns.

 

[Eelementary]

You make a few good points.

However, i think your definition of a great player slightly scewed. I need to just point you to your hero nathan hindmarsh, and you'll find your answer there.

No kurt didnt do anything brilliant in origin 1, but that because he probably didnt need to. With a team full of flare and youngsters, gidley knew what his job was.

He stepped in and helped the havles, he was at dummy half everytime farah went for a run to allow, he took pressure of the forwards with hitups and scoots, and here are the stats ..

266 METRES. http://www.nrl.com/repgames/repgame...d/800/fixtureid/5554/infotabid/3/default.aspx

The most metres gained by any nsw player.

The question isnt where would you fit him in the nsw team, its how can you leave him out. Truely, one of the todays greats.

And then he'll go back to his club team on the weekend and provide the spark and flare which he can there, with 150pts + last year and 9 tries which was newcastles highest in both.

I rest my case haha

But mate, that doesn't necessarily mean much. Luke Burt is usually our top points scorer year in and out, but most people here would gladly let him leave.

Hindmarsh...I tend to disagree. He is always the one making that try-saving tackle; covering up kicks in defence; chasing players three times faster than him; and even popping a miracle offload.

I will agree that at rep level he was clearly being told to tackle himself to a standstill, but he was still coming back for more and making hit-ups eve n after accruing a huge tackle count.

I would say that, given a team of inexperienced youngsters, a great player would have even more reason to step up and play an extraordinary role; why be a solid passenger when you're staring down the barrel of an unprecedented four straight series defeats? That would be the perfect time to come out of your shell and pull out some magic.

Perhaps Bellamy's gameplan was to have Gidley be a little subdued. Or perhaps Bellamy knew his limitations and didn't expect too much of the guy?

I don't know. But I cannot for the life of me forgive him for that blunder - I'm sorry, but for an experienced player like he is, that was Paul Carrige-like.

 

[Eelementary]

Kurt Gidley is a good player but he has to be at fullback or not in the team at all to utilise his greatest strength which is his kick returns.

But taking the scenario I alluded to earlier, where everyone was fit and in-form, would he have a spot in the team?

I'd assume most people would be glad to have Stewart back at fullback, correct? So then what with Gidley?

I'd have him in the team, sure - but at 5/8. Maybe lock. But I think there are better options for fullback out there, in my view. Hayne being one of them.

 

[Dav3]

It was pretty bad but i dont think one moment of maddness defines if you are truely great or not.

I also dont think one moment of greatness truely makes you great.

 

[Eelementary]

No, you're right, mate. A player who does one great thing and then cruises on it isn't a great player. Likewise a player who is consistently playing well and then makes one mistake isn't a bad player.

So I'd like to say I don't think he's a bad player at all.

It was more my opinion that that play showed he's not a really natural fullback. Yes, he's carving up for Newcastle. But I just can't brush the feeling a player who is a genuine fullback wouldn't have made that mistake.

Maybe I was a tad harsh on him. Also, there was that rumour a few years back that he was following Hagan to Parramatta. As I recall not many people were too happy about it.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

I've played plenty of rugby league in my day and no, Kurt Gidley is not a 'great' player.

In fact, Kurt Gidley on the weekend spilled the ball when a truly great player, Nathan Hindmarsh, made a beautiful tackle on him.

If Kurt Gidley is great, then Ben Kusto is an Immortal.

I along with Peter Sterling, Phill Gould, Wally Lewis, etc, have all played alot of footy. They seem to think he is a (in Gus' word) super player.

And just because he had a blunder in the in goal, dosent make him any less of a player. Your sound like HJ with Jarryd Hayne, ignoring the positives and focusing on the negatives.

I think we wouldnt have been happy about Gidley possibly coming here because we already have 2 fullbacks. Hayne and Burt.

 

[Eelementary]

I along with Peter Sterling, Phill Gould, Wally Lewis, etc, have all played alot of footy. They seem to think he is a (in Gus' word) super player.

And just because he had a blunder in the in goal, dosent make him any less of a player. Your sound like HJ with Jarryd Hayne, ignoring the positives and focusing on the negatives.

There is a difference between a 'super' player and a 'great' player. I agree that he is a super player. But not a great player.

In my opinion, Jamie Soward is a super player, but Jonathan Thurston is a great player. Trent Barrett is a super player, but Darren Lockyer is a great player.

As for the blunder, I've explained it a few times - to me, it points to a lack of natural feel. I can't help but feel that your Wade McKinnons, your Billy Slaters, your Brett Stewarts, etc. wouldn't have made that elementary blunder because they are natural fullbacks.