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WWE SuperThread *Spoilers*

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alien

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I'm pretty sure they could do a storyline where Stone Cold comes back, and Owens comes out and destroys him, and people would still Mark out because Owens is so damn badass and awesome.

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alien

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Who will Owens feud with next? Still Cena or someone else now? Actually I'd like to see him take on Cesaro... and not in the SmackDown nuffy way, I mean a real feud.

isn't he going back to nxt to atleast lose his nxt title before he stays on raw?

i could see him have a feud with samoa joe, or even better... finn balor
 

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That's a cop out.

Fans will boo the heels if the heels do their job and act the way they should. Look at ECW for instance and guys like Shane Douglas and Raven. Great workers but also huge heel workers because they knew all the subtleties to draw heat.

And before you say "well that was in the 90s"

There's CM Punk who despite being an Indy darling drew great heat when he was apart of SES and was still doing a stellar job with Heyman in 2013.

Fans will boo if the heels do their job instead of hitting the panic switch and hitting non-sensical high spots because the fans aren't responding to the match as well as they'd like.

Meanwhile guys like Rusev and Sheamus know their job and make a lot of good choices inside the ring that earns them heat.

In fairness, I think the babyfaces are doing an even worse job than the heels at present but that's a subject for another topic.

On CM Punk - he drew major heel heat in the SES because his promos literally bored people to boos. I spoke to several friends of mine who all thought he was dull.

I like Sheamus, but come on - he's not particularly special at what he does. He just looks silly, bullies smaller opponents and - and this is a big point - he's not American.

If Sheamus O'Shaughnessy was named Bill Smith, he wouldn't be the worker he is today imo.

People like me don't care if you're a heel or a face - I'll cheer anyone who entertains me.

Imo the only bloke who is a brilliant, brilliant, peerless heel is Heyman.

Let me ask - who is these days capable of drawing X-Pac heat?
 

Big Pete

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On CM Punk - he drew major heel heat in the SES because his promos literally bored people to boos. I spoke to several friends of mine who all thought he was dull.

If he bored them to tears the reaction would be indifference, not boos whenever he strived for boos.

I like Sheamus, but come on - he's not particularly special at what he does. He just looks silly, bullies smaller opponents and - and this is a big point - he's not American.

While a gimmick goes a long way, that isn't what makes Sheamus great at what he does. It's other elements like how he builds heat for his matches before feeding the babyface and how he doesn't get caught up in pandering to the crowd.

If Sheamus O'Shaughnessy was named Bill Smith, he wouldn't be the worker he is today imo.

He'd still be a great worker, he just wouldn't be able to connect as effectively.

This much was obvious with 'Stunning' Steve Austin and Rocky Maivia.
 

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FMD Raw has become the most repetitive shit ever... they have completely run out of ideas and have no direction or idea of where they're going.
 

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Edge was my favorite heel since the Tude era but JBL did well too.

Heels being absolutely hated for doing their job properly though?

Orton. When he was going around kicking people in the head. Not sure if it was during the legend killer phase or not, but f**k I hated that merkin.
 

Bulldog Force

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Edge was my favorite heel since the Tude era but JBL did well too.

Heels being absolutely hated for doing their job properly though?

Orton. When he was going around kicking people in the head. Not sure if it was during the legend killer phase or not, but f**k I hated that merkin.
I don't think he was a heel for all of that phase though - but I do remember him punting McMahon in the head and also giving Stephanie a 2nd rope DDT. However he did take out the entire New Nexus with the punt (while feuding with Punk) and that was when he was a face.
 

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Anyone remember Mike Adamle? He was the GM of Raw for a few months and created those matches referred to as "Adamle Originals" :lol: I wonder what ever happened to him.

Speaking of GMs, what ever happened to Brad Maddox? I saw him during the 10 bell rings for Dusty Rhodes at MitB but I haven't seen him for a long while before then. What's he doing now?
 

alien

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lol, i loved the opening segment on raw with rollins giving gifts to kane and J & J Security
 

Bulldog Force

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lol, i loved the opening segment on raw with rollins giving gifts to kane and J & J Security

That tells me something big is going down... something will happen soon that will result in either him turning on them or vice versa - and it probably involves Brock Lesnar too.
 

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I can't be assed watching anymore...Sheamus winning money in the bank was the final straw. I also miss the days when it was possible there might be a world title match on raw. Too bad Ownes didnt come along a little earlier because he would have been a great Mr Money in the Bank.
 

alien

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That tells me something big is going down... something will happen soon that will result in either him turning on them or vice versa - and it probably involves Brock Lesnar too.

i thought it was to keep them happy so they would do everything in their power to stop brock from destroying him
 

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Toyko Special is on in just over 30mins if anyone is watching... the card is:


1 Brock Lesnar vs. Kofi Kingston Singles matches[9]
2 Kevin Owens (c) vs. Finn Bálor Singles match for the NXT Championship[15]
3 John Cena and Dolph Ziggler vs. Kane and King Barrett Tag team match[9]
4 Chris Jericho vs. Neville Singles match[9]
5 Nikki Bella (c) vs. Paige vs. Tamina Triple threat match for the WWE Divas Championship[9][16]
6 The Lucha Dragons (Kalisto and Sin Cara) vs. The New Day (Big E and Xavier Woods) Tag team match
7 Cesaro vs. Diego Singles match[17]
 

DB

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Jericho won
Nikki won
Brock slaughtered Kofi
Finn Balor is the new NXT Champ
Cena/Ziggler beat Kane/BNB
 
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