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Question on Peter V'landys

PVL ...good for RL or not?


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azza29

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AMA is basically a union for doctors, so it's unclear why they're now dispensing medical advice to the NRL.
 

Spot On

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Ultimately, our game needed a leader who didn't buy into the status quo. For too long we've had leaders who pandered to the very people and organisation which cannibalise our sport.

PVL comes along and finds solutions, rattles the cage and stands up for the game using his experience and sheer business brawn to realign expectations and get shit moving. Both internally and externally.

He will always be open to criticism from the outsiders because hes doing what they've been too afraid to do.

At the end of the day, he's not sitting idle and he's prepared to sink or swim. His decisions reflect that.

Credit to him.

A LEADER with brains and balls.

Flicks a switch and change is made.

There is no doubt previous leadership would have still been planning when the comp would be starting up again, made no changes to the huge issue of refs/ wrestle (would have needed a working committee and 2 yrs of trialling the idea before doing nothing about it) TV rights would not have been a priority with negotiations months away from being finalised.

Bring on the reduction of interchange next season and the razor to head office.
 

betcats

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A LEADER with brains and balls.

Flicks a switch and change is made.

There is no doubt previous leadership would have still been planning when the comp would be starting up again, made no changes to the huge issue of refs/ wrestle (would have needed a working committee and 2 yrs of trialling the idea before doing nothing about it) TV rights would not have been a priority with negotiations months away from being finalised.

Bring on the reduction of interchange next season and the razor to head office.

Plus he has ignored Politis twice now, how good.
 

colly

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Ploughing the field for the AFL: how V'landys sees race
Jake Niall
May 29, 2020 — 7.34pm

'Absolute chaos': Two dead as violence and fury erupts in dozens of US cities
When Australian Rugby League's redoubtable chairman Peter V'landys set the target of NRL returning to play on May 28, there was a measure of incredulity among leading AFL figures.

Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett led the charge, declaring that the NRL leadership was "irresponsible" in seeking to play so soon, while his Bulldogs counterpart Peter Gordon expressed "bewilderment" at the rival code's plans.

But V'landys wouldn't be deterred. "There was some pretty - what's the word - harsh rhetoric from down there, that we were irresponsible and all those sort of things, but I ignored it all, naturally," the ARL chairman told The Age.

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Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V'landys.Credit:Dominic Lorrimer

"I knew we were on the right path. I knew that we had the facts and figures on our side."

At least on this day, V'landys stands vindicated by events, his forceful handling of high-level government and stakeholders reviving his "second" sport from a COVID-19 coma. Rugby league duly returned on May 28 and the gathering storm this weekend is Melbourne's NRL team, not the fiscal clouds that threatened the code.

V'landys first came to public attention in Melbourne as the NSW chief executive who sought to disrupt the sacred spring racing carnival, pushing into Victoria's calendar and via the invention of a rich race and putative rival to the Melbourne Cup, The Everest.

Today, he's reached a higher peak by getting the NRL back on screens, a fortnight ahead of the more cautious AFL.

Viewed in some quarters as a spur in Victorian hides, V'landys reckons that he's ploughed the field, as I put it to him, for the AFL in his aggressive push for a May date.

"I have no doubt we've done a bit of the heavy lifting and there were certainly lessons they would've learned along the way, no doubt in my mind," he said of the impact his push for an early start had on the AFL's return. "And I think they've benefited from it."

The comparison between V'landys and AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan is also a tale of two cities: an out-there Sydney "force of nature" - as more than one source with first-hand dealings called him - and a more strategic, restrained and patient (adopted) Melburnian McLachlan.

And, to borrow from Dickens, the worst of times for the locked-down community has been the best of times for V'landys, as he has become the nation's most famous - and feted - sporting administrator. This weekend, racing and rugby league are the only shows on the televised sporting stage.








"We didn't just set a date and hope for the best. What we did was monitor the infection rate and you know, when we stopped it was 25 per cent," he said.

V'landys did his own statistical analysis of COVID-19, with the help of staff, who were effectively also researching for NSW racing, and a "biological chemical warfare expert who specialises in pandemics", David Heslop.

V'landys said the state and federal governments had "done a good job" in curbing infections but added, "so none of the predictions that they were putting out there came to fruition and our analysis, basically, was more on the mark".

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Having told the Sydney Morning Herald's Andrew Webster that he had a "giggle" that the AFL was still looking at what he called "bubbles", or what the AFL dubbed "hubs", V'landys doubled down - or added interest - to that critique.

"I had a bit of a giggle because they were still on bubbles, you know, three or four weeks after we had already sort of disregarded them," he said. "And then they caught up, finally. And that's not being critical of them in any way, it's just we were, we were ahead in relation to the analysis and the protocols."

V'landys is better known to racing folk in Victoria than the AFL. As one prominent sporting official from outside the AFL explained, V'landys is an exemplar of Sydney's tradition of the strongman chairman, in the mould of the Australian Olympic Committee's John Coates.

It is telling that V'landys is the shot-caller, not NRL's (acting) chief executive, as in more governance-conscious AFL. "It's partly Sydney-Melbourne but it's also in the DNA of the codes," said the senior sporting official.

V'landys has a respectful and affable relationship with Victorian sports and racing minister Martin Pakula, despite spot fires over the former's incursions into Melbourne racing, and has dealt cordially with Victorian premier Daniel Andrews.

Dealings with McLachlan, though, have been entirely social. "I've met Gil socially a couple of times and, you know, he's a really good fella, a really good bloke, and I think he does a very good job. So I've got no problem with Gil. As I said, I've only met him socially and he's a very affable guy that you'd enjoy having a beer with."

Sporting people who know V'landys have noted the modus operandi: he gets on the phone to a political connection - presumably ministers of the crown - and lobbies for his need, such as clearing quarantine hurdles for the New Zealand Warriors (as he did).

He announces it to the media. The government(s), when asked, says, 'No, that's premature'. Then, a week or two later, it happens.

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Politically, it's been helpful for V'landys to have Sydney's most bellicose voice, Alan Jones, in his stable - a reality underscored when NSW premier Gladys Berejiklian caved in to the (now departed) broadcaster's demand for the Opera House to be lit up with a sail promoting The Everest.

"I think a good CEO or chairman or anyone for that matter has got to be somebody that's got a lot of connections or relationships," V'landys said of his lobbying.

"I have built up my relationships over many years, so naturally - and I don't take advantage of them, I'll only do it as an emergency. And that's what I've done here. You don't abuse the privilege, but when you need it, you use it."

He has been granted the emergency powers, as in wartime, of de facto CEO, as chairman of rugby league, while remaining CEO of Racing NSW - an unprecedented arrangement.

"And I've always said that if there was an emergency, I'd have to front up." He describes himself as "can-do person, not a cannot person".

V'landys' next ahead-of-the-COVID-curve mission is to make socially distant crowds happen by July 1, for which the NRL would potentially deploy "infrared technology" - a camera that took temperatures.

"We believe, that on the same analysis and the same assessment, that we can have crowds, because it's all about risk," he said.

Viewed by some AFL figures with a mix of gobsmacked disdain then grudging respect, V'landys is the toast of a Sydney media, for whom he's delivered copious copy.

"That's what we kept saying is, 'We've set ourselves the 28th of May but we can always change it, but if we're right, we don't want to be flat-footed when it comes to the 28th of May.'"

A flat-footed Peter V'landys? That's more unthinkable than anything he seeks.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...l-how-v-landys-sees-race-20200529-p54xuh.html
 
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taipan

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So we know he has cost the game $119mill in the Ch9 contract, why the coyness over what the Fox deal has cost us? Every other TV deal has been shouted from the rooftops.

You know sometimes business deal are done with a confidentially clause.Like the brown stuff it happens.

Annual reports which will be a lot more transparent than prior ones, which the clubs complained about,will keep you posted.No more whining till early Jan 2021.

Every other TV deal was done during economies that were a hell of a better shape than currently ours and the world.Smith bragged about his ch9 deal and it cost us and aided the AFL in the end.
 

AnonymousLurker

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@taipan just read the last 20 pages and you have been fighting the good fight and agree with you wholeheartedly.

some things to add .
Tribalism is the game and Sydney is games stronghold , it’s not just about losing one set of supporters , it’s the other clubs fans that have the inherit tribalism & hate and actually have vested interest in the other Sydney clubs . It’s the lifeblood of the game . Whilst we may hate the donkeys and storm , tbh we don’t really give a f**k about them , but Sydney fans do have passionate thoughts good / bad against their opposite Sydney clubs . Take away that hate or passion the game dies . Hence why SOO has been a success .

the media deal , doesn’t include digital so that should allay concerns .
Re media rights , the media has been loosing money and they are not making billions and traditional media is losing to fragmented media , and due to our small populations their will never be river of golds from Facebook/ amazon and co unless game goes global or cracks USA market , and tbh won’t happen , so security that PVL has achieved is great .
Look at what fox is doing to Alesgue , from 57m contract that want 10m now . Rugby unions contract is up and they will be lucky to pick up peanuts , yes league stronger position than those two but indication of media landscape is over . Also has put AFL in a pickle , by getting in early with media deals gives them less options to get better media $$4

to those thinking PVL is a news lackey , could have been case if was CEO but as. Chairman and someone on the board , he has to operate in games best interest .

‘finally why PVL is great he has CONTACTS , he has government contacts and that is how things get done . AFL has not become big from their admin , they had governments and councils bending over backwards building grounds, pumping money into their sport , whilst we have had muppets running the code .

he has played the government well to get game up and running with may 28 and now has the Depity nsw premier in papers saying willing to put money for game to be played in regions . THIS is how the game will grow and prosper . This is how the game will compete with AFL.

I think the problem people have with him is that he ACTUALLY makes decisions , not like the muppets we had before that are all talk and some squat . How many years have nrl talked about expansion , if today’s article is anything to go by we will have a 2nd Brisbane team in 18 months . He is a doer , enjoy the ride
 

franklin2323

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Annual reports of NRL. 9 and Fox will give figures so it isn’t like it will be hidden.

The game knows and can plan salary cap etc going forward as a result that is all that matters
 

LeagueXIII

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You know sometimes business deal are done with a confidentially clause.Like the brown stuff it happens.

Annual reports which will be a lot more transparent than prior ones, which the clubs complained about,will keep you posted.No more whining till early Jan 2021.

Every other TV deal was done during economies that were a hell of a better shape than currently ours and the world.Smith bragged about his ch9 deal and it cost us and aided the AFL in the end.

It didn't cost us at all, they had a strategy pre covid, they new FTA was going to die, and streaming was the future, Fox didn't have to be part of the plan and they had a hissy fit because without league and AFL they are dead and they know it. We have the power.

The real issue here is their control over our game, I can never see us being independent and that is to the game's detriment. even when we want to expand like other sports do we have to ask them.

As Waleed Aly said on the Offsiders, both deals like to be a loss for the game, we know it is.

No doubt Fox and the NRL are working together on the streaming as they did with Pay TV that is the only reason I can see why V'landys has extended.

He certainly loves to please them.
 

AnonymousLurker

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It didn't cost us at all, they had a strategy pre covid, they new FTA was going to die, and streaming was the future, Fox didn't have to be part of the plan and they had a hissy fit because without league and AFL they are dead and they know it. We have the power.

The real issue here is their control over our game, I can never see us being independent and that is to the game's detriment. even when we want to expand like other sports do we have to ask them.

As Waleed Aly said on the Offsiders, both deals like to be a loss for the game, we know it is.

No doubt Fox and the NRL are working together on the streaming as they did with Pay TV that is the only reason I can see why V'landys has extended.

He certainly loves to please them.

Using waleeed says it all , what the f**k does he know , he knows as much as you or I, He is not involved in the sport , his network was not making a play the game he is as knowledgeable as everyone .

Can never have independence unless there is ZERO fta networks broadcasting game and ZERO other companies broadcasting on cable or streaming . Otherwise you have to make decisions that take their position into account As all business do with their corporate customers . You think all big business do whatever they want , they make sure whoever pays them $$ is happy with what they do otherwise you don’t get the $$


‘I find it funny that you all think that PVL is a muppet and doesn’t know what will get his organisation the most money going forward and doesn’t know what he is doing he is successful ceo of racing , not some muppet that was just a exfooty player or coach that dribbles shit without not knowing how to run a organisation without blowing money or someone full of spin. also what power we have . Fox say no more to us , who is going to pay millions , Optus ? They don’t even want to pay peanuts to rugby union and not even negotiating with them. maybe you would like castle running the sport and tell fox to f**k off
 

Perth Red

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You know sometimes business deal are done with a confidentially clause.Like the brown stuff it happens.

Annual reports which will be a lot more transparent than prior ones, which the clubs complained about,will keep you posted.No more whining till early Jan 2021.

Every other TV deal was done during economies that were a hell of a better shape than currently ours and the world.Smith bragged about his ch9 deal and it cost us and aided the AFL in the end.

yes sometimes they are, but never in the nrl’s history, what’s that telling us?
 

Perth Red

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. Fox say no more to us , who is going to pay millions , Optus ? They don’t even want to pay peanuts to rugby union and not even negotiating with them. maybe you would like castle running the sport and tell fox to f**k off

fox would go bust if they didn’t have nrl, how are they going to say no to us? Sad thing about nrl is we don’t understand how powerful we are, we hold the cards as we have the most watched sport on australian tv. That’s two tv deals in a row now where tv has dictated to the point we’ve sacked a ceo they didNt like because they were aiming for the best for the game, and publicly embarrassed the game. And we reward it. Like a petulant child we keep rewarding this bad behaviour So no wonder it continues. I had hoped this big balls chairman everyone is fawning over would maybe have the Coohoonas to say no more, but instead he has capitulated like the rest, less money, no wins for the game, extension with no competitive tension, undisclosed deals for first time in games history. But hey he makes decisions right?
 
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