Question on Peter V'landys

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Twiggy Forest offering to totally fund the team and give the ARU $60mill to spend on Jnrs wasnt enough to save them lol. Just another disastrous decision by the clowns at ARU.



Yeh that's my point, we dont need to go out and entice a team of stars West as long as we have opportunities to pick up good youngsters and a system that turns them into stars. SL, PNG and Union are great sources for that for us potentially that doesn't dilute the other NRL clubs talent. Weve also got soem decent kids here as well that with better systems will come through to first grade. We will have a lot more WA players than Storm has had Vic players thats for sure.

Relocate Melbourne Storm to Perth. Problem solved.

On a serious note,
I wonder how much goodwill is left in WA for the game. Thet've been rejected by RL and RU,and quite harshly so. Perth deserves a team. Melbourne doesn't.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

‘Turtling’ is a strategy used in war that requires ‘heavy defense, with little or no offence’. According to the old Google machine, ‘turtling’ is the “continuous reinforcement of the military front until it has reached its full strength, then an attack with the now-superior force”.

This can be the only explanation for Lord Peter V’landys of Kythira going on Channel Nine the other night and being so adamant that Brisbane will have their second, and the NRL’s 17th club.
Fortify what you have.
Unleash hell… later… we guess?
For this writer, a second team plonked down in the middle of Brisbane makes little sense. Those fans not aligned to the Broncos already have an NRL club they support.
Some of these people are second and third generation Dragons, Rabbitohs or Bulldogs supporters and so on.
Are they just going to burn all their jerseys and start going for the new Brisbane side?
Come on.
And if they do, how does that bring NEW fans to the game?
“We don’t want to cannibalise them [Broncos and Titans] at all. So, there’s a long way to go because it needs to really stack up commercially,” V’landys continued.

“I like the fact that players can get a bye. That helps their mental well-being, they can always look forward to having that weekend off during the year, so there’s that benefit.”
A bye?
How does that help the game financially?
Why aren’t we talking 18 teams and reducing the amount of fixtures… that looks after “well-being” too.
Extra game every weekend, anybody?
TV money?

If V’landys wants to keep the code in NSW and QLD where people “love the game” than what are we saying to those people that went to Perth Stadium last year to watch Origin?
What about those in Adelaide that have bought tickets for the match this year?
Or the kids playing in the strong WA junior league or the West Coast Pirates?
Rugby league will never be strong in any market it doesn’t have a crack at.
Didn’t the boss of the GWS Giants once say that they didn’t want to take over Sydney but they just wanted their market share?
Why wouldn’t V’landys want to tap into the Perth market which so obviously is willing to open itself – ever so slightly – to rugby or rugby league or whatever they want to call it?
We might as well put a bullet in the Melbourne Storm right now too.
After all, not everyone in Melbourne loves rugby league.
Not really a big nursery either is it?

Brisbane is the Broncos.
The Broncos are Brisbane.
That’s the winter market up there.
The Brisbane Broncos.
Put a team in Ipswich or forget about it.

V’landys has a lot of admirers but his opinion on expansion is dim and amateurish at best.
If this is some kind of war strategy, rugby league is already just like a turtle on its back.

http://the81stminute.com/2020/06/un...-vlandys-of-kythira-has-absolutely-zero-idea/

That article was so daft I thought it was written by Peter Fitzsimons. He does not have a clue if he thinks Brisbane is Broncos.

Donkeys averaged a miserable 16,111 with practically the State of Origin team and the city to themselves.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/1988.html

North Queensland Cowboys averaged 21,670 with a team that won just 2 games.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/north_qld.html

South QLD averaged 21,029 with a poorish team that copped a few floggings in a 1 team city, with the Donkeys established and successful. Their crowds were decent in season 2 as well, and didn't fall away until 1997. ARL was not popular in Queensland in 1997 and Crushers were left out in rhe cold.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/south_qld.html

 

[mongoose]

That article was so daft I thought it was written by Peter Fitzsimons. He does not have a clue if he thinks Brisbane is Broncos.

Donkeys averaged a miserable 16,111 with practically the State of Origin team and the city to themselves.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/1988.html

North Queensland Cowboys averaged 21,670 with a team that won just 2 games.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/north_qld.html

South QLD averaged 21,029 with a poorish team that copped a few floggings in a 1 team city, with the Donkeys established and successful. Their crowds were decent in season 2 as well, and didn't fall away until 1997. ARL was not popular in Queensland in 1997 and Crushers were left out in rhe cold.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/south_qld.html

you're really living in the past aren't you...

 

[Perth Red]

That article was so daft I thought it was written by Peter Fitzsimons. He does not have a clue if he thinks Brisbane is Broncos.

Donkeys averaged a miserable 16,111 with practically the State of Origin team and the city to themselves.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/1988.html

North Queensland Cowboys averaged 21,670 with a team that won just 2 games.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/north_qld.html

South QLD averaged 21,029 with a poorish team that copped a few floggings in a 1 team city, with the Donkeys established and successful. Their crowds were decent in season 2 as well, and didn't fall away until 1997. ARL was not popular in Queensland in 1997 and Crushers were left out in rhe cold.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/south_qld.html

It’s not the mid 90’s anymore lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It’s not the mid 90’s anymore lol

No, but it shows that the Donkeys aren't the behemoth that the author made them out to be. The author tried to make out that Brisbane is "Donkeys" and Donkeys is "Brisbane". That's BS. There are plenty of RL fans up here who hate the club's guts, and I used FACTS to prove it. People don't just decide to follow a team with less star power (Crushers) over an established one filled to the brim with Origin stars (Donkeys) unless they never bought into it.

Despite all the advantages given to the Donkeys, the public didn't take to them straight away and still haven't. The Crushers being able to draw 21,000 with a brand and name that had no connection to Brisbane shows there were at least 21,000 people in Brisbane who didn't buy into the Donkeys, despite having a virtual Queensland Origin team in their squad for 8 seasons.

Melbourne wouldn't have so many fans in Brisbane if the city was firmly behind the Donkeys.

 

[mongoose]

‘Turtling’ is a strategy used in war that requires ‘heavy defense, with little or no offence’. According to the old Google machine, ‘turtling’ is the “continuous reinforcement of the military front until it has reached its full strength, then an attack with the now-superior force”.

This can be the only explanation for Lord Peter V’landys of Kythira going on Channel Nine the other night and being so adamant that Brisbane will have their second, and the NRL’s 17th club.
Fortify what you have.
Unleash hell… later… we guess?
For this writer, a second team plonked down in the middle of Brisbane makes little sense. Those fans not aligned to the Broncos already have an NRL club they support.
Some of these people are second and third generation Dragons, Rabbitohs or Bulldogs supporters and so on.
Are they just going to burn all their jerseys and start going for the new Brisbane side?
Come on.
And if they do, how does that bring NEW fans to the game?
“We don’t want to cannibalise them [Broncos and Titans] at all. So, there’s a long way to go because it needs to really stack up commercially,” V’landys continued.

“I like the fact that players can get a bye. That helps their mental well-being, they can always look forward to having that weekend off during the year, so there’s that benefit.”
A bye?
How does that help the game financially?
Why aren’t we talking 18 teams and reducing the amount of fixtures… that looks after “well-being” too.
Extra game every weekend, anybody?
TV money?

If V’landys wants to keep the code in NSW and QLD where people “love the game” than what are we saying to those people that went to Perth Stadium last year to watch Origin?
What about those in Adelaide that have bought tickets for the match this year?
Or the kids playing in the strong WA junior league or the West Coast Pirates?
Rugby league will never be strong in any market it doesn’t have a crack at.
Didn’t the boss of the GWS Giants once say that they didn’t want to take over Sydney but they just wanted their market share?
Why wouldn’t V’landys want to tap into the Perth market which so obviously is willing to open itself – ever so slightly – to rugby or rugby league or whatever they want to call it?
We might as well put a bullet in the Melbourne Storm right now too.
After all, not everyone in Melbourne loves rugby league.
Not really a big nursery either is it?

Brisbane is the Broncos.
The Broncos are Brisbane.
That’s the winter market up there.
The Brisbane Broncos.
Put a team in Ipswich or forget about it.

V’landys has a lot of admirers but his opinion on expansion is dim and amateurish at best.
If this is some kind of war strategy, rugby league is already just like a turtle on its back.

http://the81stminute.com/2020/06/un...-vlandys-of-kythira-has-absolutely-zero-idea/

This guy forgot to factor in 1 important thing. Perth is too far to travel for Rugby League players, does he think they are netball players or something??

 

[johnny plath]

That article was so daft I thought it was written by Peter Fitzsimons. He does not have a clue if he thinks Brisbane is Broncos.

Donkeys averaged a miserable 16,111 with practically the State of Origin team and the city to themselves.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/1988.html

North Queensland Cowboys averaged 21,670 with a team that won just 2 games.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/north_qld.html

South QLD averaged 21,029 with a poorish team that copped a few floggings in a 1 team city, with the Donkeys established and successful. Their crowds were decent in season 2 as well, and didn't fall away until 1997. ARL was not popular in Queensland in 1997 and Crushers were left out in rhe cold.

https://afltables.com/rl/crowds/south_qld.html

Your ramble makes no sense or point. Broncos 16k first season average was second in the league behind fellow newbies Newcastle who averaged 20k. Hardly miserable when you actually put it into context. Majority of teams that season had sub 10k averages. Couldn't find the Brl season averages that year but apart from grand finals it was dying for years before the Broncos turned up.
https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seasons/nswrl-1988/summary.html

In the crushers first season they averaged 21k Broncos 36k.. highest in the league. Do you remember any of this or do you just read books and forums and like being angry??
I wouldn't be an active fan of a second Brisbane team but support that there should definitely be a second one because Brisbane is easily big enough for it and should have top level live footy available every week. Rivalrys are great and a I'm looking forward to a new Brisbane one.

 

[Frailty]

Warriors just went with Redcliffe in QLD Cup. Storm have links with 2 benefits both sides.

Both NRL clubs that can make those deals for players that aren't in their NRL squad, and also to save money.

What exactly would Perth be signing players to? Once junior reps end they don't have a competition to compete in, so what are they signing exactly? They can only make a deal with a NSW or QLD Cup team when they are being used as a feeder team.

 

[Frailty]

RU has a larger following in Perth but it wasn't enough to save the Western Force. If you're an RL or RU fan in Perth odds are you've got Foxtel to watch the game.

The point is in 1997 where the claim 'News Limited would know', they simply wouldn't have known.

As for not being enough to 'save the Western Force', perhaps you should realise the decision was made before any financials were investigated:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/senate-inquiry-into-cutting-western-force-rugby-team/9153586

Rugby Australia are a poorly run organisation that has only gotten worse and worse since cutting the Force from Super Rugby.

 

[Perth Red]

The point is in 1997 where the claim 'News Limited would know', they simply wouldn't have known.

As for not being enough to 'save the Western Force', perhaps you should realise the decision was made before any financials were investigated:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/senate-inquiry-into-cutting-western-force-rugby-team/9153586

Rugby Australia are a poorly run organisation that has only gotten worse and worse since cutting the Force from Super Rugby.

Looks like the Force will be back in a proper competition, and with Twiggy backing them probably the countries biggest Union team, well before any NRL club exists in WA. Just another missed opportunity for NRL.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Your ramble makes no sense or point. Broncos 16k first season average was second in the league behind fellow newbies Newcastle who averaged 20k. Hardly miserable when you actually put it into context. Majority of teams that season had sub 10k averages. Couldn't find the Brl season averages that year but apart from grand finals it was dying for years before the Broncos turned up.
https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seasons/nswrl-1988/summary.html

In the crushers first season they averaged 21k Broncos 36k.. highest in the league. Do you remember any of this or do you just read books and forums and like being angry??
I wouldn't be an active fan of a second Brisbane team but support that there should definitely be a second one because Brisbane is easily big enough for it and should have top level live footy available every week. Rivalrys are great and a I'm looking forward to a new Brisbane one.

Brisbane is a far bigger city than Newcastle. The fact the Knights were able to draw an extra 4k proves my point. Brisbane was not firmly behind the Donkeys in 1988.

Yes I remember how many people went to see the Donkeys when they were at Nathan. I lived within walking distance of the stadium at the time. I also remember people turning their backs on them after Super League and choosing the Reds and Lions as their preferred team. Do YOU remember any of this? It wasn't until the Donkeys moved back to Lang Park that their averages crept back up to where they were in 1993 at QEII Stadium.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The point is in 1997 where the claim 'News Limited would know', they simply wouldn't have known.

As for not being enough to 'save the Western Force', perhaps you should realise the decision was made before any financials were investigated:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-15/senate-inquiry-into-cutting-western-force-rugby-team/9153586

Rugby Australia are a poorly run organisation that has only gotten worse and worse since cutting the Force from Super Rugby.

Rebels should have been given the boot.

 

[Perth Red]

Brisbane is a far bigger city than Newcastle. The fact the Knights were able to draw an extra 4k proves my point. Brisbane was not firmly behind the Donkeys in 1988.

Yes I remember how many people went to see the Donkeys when they were at Nathan. I lived within walking distance of the stadium at the time. I also remember people turning their backs on them after Super League and choosing the Reds and Lions as their preferred team. Do YOU remember any of this? It wasn't until the Donkeys moved back to Lang Park that their averages crept back up to where they were in 1993 at QEII Stadium.

But its not 1988! You cant say now that Broncos don't totally dominate the Brisbane sports market. The NRL avg is under 15k, Broncos is around 33k!
Thats not to say there isnt latent support for another club in Brisbane, just we dont know and its dangerous to assume that 25k RL fans (who are notoriously apathetic when it comes to going to games) are just waiting to follow a different Brisbane club.
When Freo came in they struggled for first 8 years to get up to AFL crowd avg, got there eventually but it took a while. And they had the advantage of fans of the game in WA not being able to go to Eagles games because they were all sell outs.

Vlandys has yet to explain where the extra $14million a year is going to come from to pay for the new Brisbane club. So far he has promised more money for existing clubs, more money for participation, same money for players, same money for second tier clubs and an asset investment strategy. All at a time the world economies are in recession and the TV partners want to pay less. Id be fascinated to see how he plans to deliver on these promises!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

But its not 1988! You cant say now that Broncos don't totally dominate the Brisbane sports market. The NRL avg is under 15k, Broncos is around 33k!
Thats not to say there isnt latent support for another club in Brisbane, just we dont know and its dangerous to assume that 25k RL fans (who are notoriously apathetic when it comes to going to games) are just waiting to follow a different Brisbane club.
When Freo came in they struggled for first 8 years to get up to AFL crowd avg, got there eventually but it took a while. And they had the advantage of fans of the game in WA not being able to go to Eagles games because they were all sell outs.

Vlandys has yet to explain where the extra $14million a year is going to come from to pay for the new Brisbane club. So far he has promised more money for existing clubs, more money for participation, same money for players, same money for second tier clubs and an asset investment strategy. All at a time the world economies are in recession and the TV partners want to pay less. Id be fascinated to see how he plans to deliver on these promises!

There's always a large amount of support for the away team at Lang Park, especially when it is the Cowboys or one of the big Sydney clubs. I would estimate that at least 10k-15k Cowboys fans flock to Lang Park to watch the Queensland Derby.

There are also plenty of people there not docked put in Donkeys merchandise. Possibly neutrals looking to get their RL fix? You cannot discount the fact that Greater Brisbane has 2.5 million people yet the club's average is only 34k, at what is the best rugby league stadium in the world. If you live in the City of Brisbane you get free bus travel to the ground. If the city was behind the Donkeys and no one else the average would be 52k.

 

[typicalfan]

Brisbane should have a top level game every week. That is pretty much it.

 

[franklin2323]

Both NRL clubs that can make those deals for players that aren't in their NRL squad, and also to save money.

What exactly would Perth be signing players to? Once junior reps end they don't have a competition to compete in, so what are they signing exactly? They can only make a deal with a NSW or QLD Cup team when they are being used as a feeder team.

I will use Burleigh just to pick a side.

Perth feeds into Burleigh. Giving them extra access to players other QLD Cup teams don’t. With an agreement to be the 2nd tier side once Perth comes in.

 

[TheRam]

‘Turtling’ is a strategy used in war that requires ‘heavy defense, with little or no offence’. According to the old Google machine, ‘turtling’ is the “continuous reinforcement of the military front until it has reached its full strength, then an attack with the now-superior force”.

This can be the only explanation for Lord Peter V’landys of Kythira going on Channel Nine the other night and being so adamant that Brisbane will have their second, and the NRL’s 17th club.
Fortify what you have.
Unleash hell… later… we guess?
For this writer, a second team plonked down in the middle of Brisbane makes little sense. Those fans not aligned to the Broncos already have an NRL club they support.
Some of these people are second and third generation Dragons, Rabbitohs or Bulldogs supporters and so on.
Are they just going to burn all their jerseys and start going for the new Brisbane side?
Come on.
And if they do, how does that bring NEW fans to the game?
“We don’t want to cannibalise them [Broncos and Titans] at all. So, there’s a long way to go because it needs to really stack up commercially,” V’landys continued.

“I like the fact that players can get a bye. That helps their mental well-being, they can always look forward to having that weekend off during the year, so there’s that benefit.”
A bye?
How does that help the game financially?
Why aren’t we talking 18 teams and reducing the amount of fixtures… that looks after “well-being” too.
Extra game every weekend, anybody?
TV money?

If V’landys wants to keep the code in NSW and QLD where people “love the game” than what are we saying to those people that went to Perth Stadium last year to watch Origin?
What about those in Adelaide that have bought tickets for the match this year?
Or the kids playing in the strong WA junior league or the West Coast Pirates?
Rugby league will never be strong in any market it doesn’t have a crack at.
Didn’t the boss of the GWS Giants once say that they didn’t want to take over Sydney but they just wanted their market share?
Why wouldn’t V’landys want to tap into the Perth market which so obviously is willing to open itself – ever so slightly – to rugby or rugby league or whatever they want to call it?
We might as well put a bullet in the Melbourne Storm right now too.
After all, not everyone in Melbourne loves rugby league.
Not really a big nursery either is it?

Brisbane is the Broncos.
The Broncos are Brisbane.
That’s the winter market up there.
The Brisbane Broncos.
Put a team in Ipswich or forget about it.

V’landys has a lot of admirers but his opinion on expansion is dim and amateurish at best.
If this is some kind of war strategy, rugby league is already just like a turtle on its back.

http://the81stminute.com/2020/06/un...-vlandys-of-kythira-has-absolutely-zero-idea/

http://the81stminute.com/2020/06/un...-vlandys-of-kythira-has-absolutely-zero-idea/

You left out the most concerning part of the whole article -

If that’s the case than the only expansion club viable enough is in Ipswich.

Ipswich equals nursery.

And it just so happens that the AFL’s Brisbane Lions are currently building a $70 million facility out there with the help of the local council.

Ipswich and surrounds are growing exponentially.

The AFL can see it.

But yet the NRL appears happy to parachute a new logo into Brisbane and hope for the best.

 

[Diesel]

I drove past the development at Springfield last week. Plastered with Lions logo and AFL propaganda to follow. This land was earmarked for RL, IIRC.

I only hope that cricket has access to this facility when it opens but you know AFL are as protective what they think belongs to them much like the Chinese government

 

[seanoff]

I drove past the development at Springfield last week. Plastered with Lions logo and AFL propaganda to follow. This land was earmarked for RL, IIRC.

I only hope that cricket has access to this facility when it opens but you know AFL are as protective what they think belongs to them much like the Chinese government

no cricket there. The lions, including the women’s team will be using that oval pretty much 12 months a year. It’ll also be used for community events and sport. But no cricket.

the developer of Springfield is very keen to get things there. They love that they’ve got the lions.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

http://the81stminute.com/2020/06/un...-vlandys-of-kythira-has-absolutely-zero-idea/

You left out the most concerning part of the whole article -

If that’s the case than the only expansion club viable enough is in Ipswich.

Ipswich equals nursery.

And it just so happens that the AFL’s Brisbane Lions are currently building a $70 million facility out there with the help of the local council.

Ipswich and surrounds are growing exponentially.

The AFL can see it.

But yet the NRL appears happy to parachute a new logo into Brisbane and hope for the best.

AwFuL can also see the potential in the City of Logan, which has 326,000 and growing. The Lions@Springwood Social Club in the northern suburbs of Logan collects $5 million in profit from the local community and is using some of it to fund the Springwood Pumas fumbleball club. The vacant land at Cronulla Park on the corner of Compton Rd and Kingston Rd at Slacks Creek has been given to the fumbleball club. That land woild have been perfect for a rugby league club such as the Magpies, but the bludgers at the QRL sat by and let AwFuL beat them to the punch. Springwood is currently undergoing a transformation to make it the city's CBD and Cronulla Park is within walking distance. There's the Springwood Busway nearby which is being extended to Loganholme. It would have been the perfect place to build a 25,000 stadium for a future NRL club.