I defy you to find an instance of me calling you a name before you started getting upset and attacking Canberra (i.e. started being a prick because somebody disagreed with you) .
Are you confusing me with somebody else because I never called your posts nonsense, I haven't put words in your mouth, and I never called you stupid.
I did call you an idiot, but you were being an idiot at the time so that's all square lol.
I went back to find it and saw mongoose was the author. He said those things.Unfortunately for you, you jumped into the conversation straight at the tail end of it and I was reading much of it while I was half asleep, so it didn't register that you were two different people. My apologies for getting you two mixed up and for the heated exchange.
See here is that logic again... You are saying at the same time that the fans of the individual clubs would be very tribal and that they'd be inclined to watch their rivals (clubs they will supposedly hate if they are truly tribal) because they are from Queensland... Either they'll be tribal or they won't, you can't have it both ways.
Queenslanders are already doing this. Broncos and Cowboys fans take a keen interest in each others games because they hate each other and want the other to lose. Broncos fans have been flooding Cowboys game day threads over the last couple of years to rub it in when the team loses.
Channel 9 brought in a second Friday game in the mid-2000s specifically to cater to the Queensland market as people up here are more likely to watch a match if it involves a Queensland team. If you run a Canterbury vs Newcastle match on TV it'll draw less favourably in Brisbane than a Titans vs Dragons or Cowboys vs Wests.
But let's say fans only watched their club play in the scenario you're describing. That's still going to draw a far higher number of viewers in Brisbane than a Raiders vs Bulldogs game. Channel 9 are aware of this and will pay accordingly. This, combined with the bump in media saturation and local derbies from having 4 teams, would make rugby league even more popular in Brisbane than it currently is.
Despite your baseless poo pooing Perth, Adelaide, and NZ2 are all easily more important than a third Brisbane club.
You could say that Brisbane is just a money grab while they are where the real expansion and growth will happen.
How so?
Whether we like it or not, Brisbane and Sydney are the two most important areas for the NRL because the game's centrepiece is State of Origin and they produce the bulk of the game's money and players. Having just 1 or 2 teams in Brisbane leaves the door open for rival codes to exist and gain a foothold. Having 3 or 4 teams in Brisbane will make it almost impossible for the Roar, Reds and Lions to secure sponsors. They would be starved of media attention and would fizzle out of existence. Kicking these codes out of Brisbane is just as important, if not more, than putting dots on the map in Perth, Adelaide and NZ. It ensures rugby league's survival in Queensland, which keeps SOO alive and able to generate money that can be put back into developing the game in Perth, Adelaide and NZ.
The NRL have shown no interest in adding teams to Perth, Adelaide and NZ. Holding Brisbane to just 2 teams will not make the NRL change its mind on this. They know where the money is and the juniors are based. There's no evidence the NRL clubs want to travel to and from Perth. It would be a logistical nightmare to put a schedule together that involves 2 teams in NZ and 1 in Perth, as there's a four hour time difference between the two areas, and five hours during daylight savings.
NZ is really unfortunate because it has a playing base, but there's just not enough public interest at the professional level to sustain a 2nd team. Its most populous centre is also its only rugby league heartland and struggles along with an average of just 16,800 fans per game. There is no other city in NZ that has a population over 1 million and rugby league is less popular there than in Auckland. So where would a 2nd team go? More importantly, where would the money come from to fund it? I honestly don't think we will see an NZ team in the next 35 years. It's been 13 years since the Titans were brought in and we're just now talking about the 17th team being confirmed to be from Brisbane. It's unrealistic to hold off expansion in Australia for the 1 in a billion chance that some one in NZ might put together a viable bid that won't end up like the Titans. Auckland went under in 1999.
Perth is not really in the running. Even if they were to get a team, they would be stuck playing their matches on one of the secondary channels. TV viewing numbers for Perth are not good and putting a team there has zero guarantee of changing that. The AFL's development in Brissie and Sydney is lightyears ahead of rugby league in Perth, and even they are stuck on the multichannels and get abysmal ratings. Channel 9 would be aware of this. Putting a team in Perth will not add value to TV deal. Same goes for a team in Adelaide. There isn't even any interest in the game in Adelaide. Talk of putting games in Perth and Adelaide is fanciful and at least 50 years away from reality.
You see that doesn't actually answer my question because there's no way that you are kicking the Broncos out of the competition any time soon, and you've got very little chance of getting one of the few stable and loaded clubs in the Raiders out either.
If you have a scenario that's actually realistic I'd love to hear it.
Severely weakening the Donkeys by limiting their geographic reach and access to junior clubs would lead to them wanting out of Brisbane. They don't have any clubs of their own in the Brisbane Second Division, BRL or Q-Cup. I can honestly see a club that consists of Wests, Easts, Norths and Souths having so much money and juniors to pick from it squeezes the Donkeys out of existence within 20 years, or forces them to focus more on Ipswich, Logan and Redland, which would be good for rugby league in all of the Brisbane metropolitan area. Add in another team along the eastern coast that takes in Redlands, Logan and Gold Coast and suddenly the Donkeys are limited to Ipswich. Add in another team that takes in Ipswich and Springfield and the Donkeys are buggered.
Where will the Donkey's talent come from? The reason the Donkeys have been so successful is because they've had practically the whole BRL clubs to themselves over the last 30 years, bar a couple that are attached to the Storm. It would force Brisbane to spend more time and money scouting talent at the school level, but if these kids are already playing for a sub-district club of Easts, Wests, Norths or Souths and are any good then chances are their NRL super club would already have them signed up. If you wanted to just have two teams in Brisbane, this model could work. Brisbane Broncos and say Brisbane Devils or South Brisbane Devils, based on Norths' mascot. Colours red, black and white or gold, black and white. Based at Coorparoo, which is in the south-east and opposite of Broncos' Red Hill, which is north-west.
It's getting difficult to move from one part of the Brisbane to the other in a timely fashion due to the influx of southerners over the last 25 years. A person who lives out in the suburbs will find it difficult to get to Lang Park. Over time they might opt out of going to games altogether. I think it would make more sense to build a new stadium at Nathan for a second team and expand Dolphins Stadium so it can cater to Moreton and Sunshine Coast. If Queensland's bid for the 2032 Olympics is successful then a new stadium at Nathan will become a reality.
In regards to Canberra. My fear for them is the TV networks might want them gone. Channel 9 is bound by laws that limit it to operating in the metropolitan markets only, so regional centers like ACT mean nothing to them. It's why they don't care for Raiders games. If at any time they decide they want to boost their ratings in Brisbane they might push the NRL to strip Canberra of its licence and give it to a Brisbane consortium. They're getting desperate with technology taking them out of the game, so they might do anything to stay relevant.
