18th club, whose next?

[Pippen94]

I'm not sure fumbleball has peaked. They seem to be growing their participation base in Queensland and NSW. Their support amongst women in Queensland and
NSW is growing. Broadcasters and sponsors want to saddle up with a game the appeals to all demographics.

Our game limits itself to working class older men in Queensland and NSW. There is no upside to limiting our game to a dwindling demographic.

I don't see any sign of our game's administration expanding into new markets and culling the dead weight in Sydney that is holding us back. The clubs run the game with ea h one having a stake in the ARLC. Over 50% of the clubs are from Sydney. That gives the Sydney clubs a majority stake in the game and allows them to further their agenda.

Most of advertising revenue would be because of viewership in Sydney

 

[Pippen94]

I agree that we need a presence in Perth and Adelaide. But they are nowhere near as important to us as NSW and QLD are to the AFL. They have peaked and we are yet to get our shit together. So when we do, the real code wars will begin

Perth & Adelaide don't add anything to regular season viewership. It's debatable if state of origin draws bigger audience if those teams get NRL team too.

 

[Pippen94]

like I said we have the bigger casual fanbase, its the only key metric we beat them in out of the 4. Hence why we are sadly in second place with not much sign of that changing.

..it's like attendance & member culture is different to afl.

 

[Perth Red]

..it's like attendance & member culture is different to afl.

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make here?

 

[Perth Red]

Perth & Adelaide don't add anything to regular season viewership. It's debatable if state of origin draws bigger audience if those teams get NRL team too.

it’ll add millions

see we can all make stupid comments

 

[Pippen94]

it’ll add millions

see we can all make stupid comments

TV wanted bris2. Why didn't they demand perf?!

 

[Pippen94]

I have no idea what point you’re trying to make here?

Over ur head

 

[Pneuma]

Over ur head

He’s pretty thick

 

[Perth Red]

Ur? What does that mean?

 

[The Great Dane]

My point really is that we have so much more upside than they do, they've peaked.

Have they?

I don't even think that's knowable in the present. That's one for future historians to decide when they write the history books I'm afraid.

Besides, not all growth is about expansion of the number of teams in the competition, and there's still plenty of potential opportunities for the AFL to grow if they're smart about it. I wouldn't be surprised to see them attempt a second division in the future either, though that'd still be decades away at the earliest I imagine, if it happens at all.

Yes, we actually do something about realising that potential, but there are signs there at the moment that we are finally waking up.

There's really not as far as I can see.

They rushed expansion and unnecessarily set the new side up for a rocky start, which is never a good thing. They've ignored major metros to focus on niche suburban markets again, a mistake that RL seems incapable of learning. Made further expansion in Brisbane a necessity when it could have been a luxury, and which will inevitably eat up valuable resources unnecessarily given time. They even allowed a broadcaster, and vested interest, to dictate their expansion decisions, and I frankly see no reason to be confident that they won't balls up the 18th team as badly as well.

At the moment it's a coin flip that the Bears, or maybe even PNG, end up with a license, and after that it'll almost certainly be at least a decade roughly, possibly longer, before they expand again.

We could be looking at it being the 2040s, maybe even 2050s, before there's a side in Adelaide again, and potentially Perth as well. That would be leaving at least one, potentially two, of the top five major markets on the table for at least a couple decades further, when it's more likely than not that it'll only become more difficult and expensive to expand into them in the future.

All that only addresses the professional tier, and largely ignores international markets, namely NZ, and all of it's extremely hard to justify. So yeah, I'm not seeing very many good signs, only the same worn out old ideas wrapped in a different colour wrapping paper.

Sure they could turn it around, strong leadership could turn it around overnight if they wanted, but I don't know that that's really that likely given the NRL, and it's predecessors, track record. . . I guess you reap what you sow.

 

[Perth Red]

Have they?

I don't even think that's knowable in the present. That's one for future historians to decide when they write the history books I'm afraid.

Besides, not all growth is about expansion of the number of teams in the competition, and there's still plenty of potential opportunities for the AFL to grow if they're smart about it. I wouldn't be surprised to see them attempt a second division in the future either, though that'd still be decades away at the earliest I imagine, if it happens at all.

There's really not as far as I can see.

They rushed expansion and unnecessarily set the new side up for a rocky start, which is never a good thing. They've ignored major metros to focus on niche suburban markets again, a mistake that RL seems incapable of learning. Made further expansion in Brisbane a necessity when it could have been a luxury, and which will inevitably eat up valuable resources unnecessarily given time. They even allowed a broadcaster, and vested interest, to dictate their expansion decisions, and I frankly see no reason to be confident that they won't balls up the 18th team as badly as well.

At the moment it's a coin flip that the Bears, or maybe even PNG, end up with a license, and after that it'll almost certainly be at least a decade roughly, possibly longer, before they expand again.

We could be looking at it being the 2040s, maybe even 2050s, before there's a side in Adelaide again, and potentially Perth as well. That would be leaving at least one, potentially two, of the top five major markets on the table for at least a couple decades further, when it's more likely than not that it'll only become more difficult and expensive to expand into them in the future.

All that only addresses the professional tier, and largely ignores international markets, namely NZ, and all of it's extremely hard to justify. So yeah, I'm not seeing very many good signs, only the same worn out old ideas wrapped in a different colour wrapping paper.

Sure they could turn it around, strong leadership could turn it around overnight if they wanted, but I don't know that that's really that likely given the NRL, and it's predecessors, track record. . . I guess you reap what you sow.

Sadly all you say is true. The only glimmer of hope on the horizon is it looks like the games finances are finally getting to a position of strength. With money comes confidence. Having said that we do need a new leadership with a much bigger vision for the game than we have now to realize anything like the potential we have. We also need clubs (and fans) to get into the now and not stay living in the 80's.

Team 18 gives the NRL a chance to show they are ready to move into the future, will they take it or will they stay tried and true rugby league and stick to what they are comfortable with? Time will tell.

 

[MugaB]

Sadly all you say is true. The only glimmer of hope on the horizon is it looks like the games finances are finally getting to a position of strength. With money comes confidence. Having said that we do need a new leadership with a much bigger vision for the game than we have now to realize anything like the potential we have. We also need clubs (and fans) to get into the now and not stay living in the 80's.

Team 18 gives the NRL a chance to show they are ready to move into the future, will they take it or will they stay tried and true rugby league and stick to what they are comfortable with? Time will tell.

Hahahahahaha.... you've waited so long for a perf team, and all your gonna see from the NRL is the bears in a different state, seriously why not just accept the game is not going to waste money on those who won't waste theirs... oh yes the chicken and the egg analogy... or gotta break eggs to make omelettes... NRL don't give a f**k about metros, broadcasters do, advertisers do, as long as the NRL is no.1 in the interest of publicity and drama and care factor over most codes, they wont give money they don't have to states that don't play it, and wont grow it on their own.... i mean why does anyone think PNG as a country is worthy of a license... when the back and forth vitriol on these forums always comes up with crime rates, poor incomes, unstable gov't, etc... but a place like Perth is a no brainer... yet cant afford to create a team/comp that can rival the Nsw/Qrl cup sides... team 18 will not be what you expect... it will be based on where juniors are the strongest.... why else do you think redcliffe and cronulla are in the comp... Penrith, Tigers, Titans, Souths... these clubs produce most of the players spread all over the NRL... what good is Perth to the NRL if they cant run a competitive comp

 

[mongoose]

Hahahahahaha.... you've waited so long for a perf team, and all your gonna see from the NRL is the bears in a different state, seriously why not just accept the game is not going to waste money on those who won't waste theirs... oh yes the chicken and the egg analogy... or gotta break eggs to make omelettes... NRL don't give a f**k about metros, broadcasters do, advertisers do, as long as the NRL is no.1 in the interest of publicity and drama and care factor over most codes, they wont give money they don't have to states that don't play it, and wont grow it on their own.... i mean why does anyone think PNG as a country is worthy of a license... when the back and forth vitriol on these forums always comes up with crime rates, poor incomes, unstable gov't, etc... but a place like Perth is a no brainer... yet cant afford to create a team/comp that can rival the Nsw/Qrl cup sides... team 18 will not be what you expect... it will be based on where juniors are the strongest.... why else do you think redcliffe and cronulla are in the comp... Penrith, Tigers, Titans, Souths... these clubs produce most of the players spread all over the NRL... what good is Perth to the NRL if they cant run a competitive comp

You are saying this like the NRL makes its decisions independent of what broadcaster and stakeholders want LOL

 

[Perth Red]

12 years ago, sigh....

The non-binding vote of confidence at a recent NRL conference in Byron Bay offers a massive injection of confidence as the West Australian Rugby League plans to present its bid in March or April.

WARL chief executive John Sackson says a new WA team, which would play out of nib Stadium, would have the corporate and crowd support to succeed long term, unlike the Western Reds franchise that operated at the WACA from 1995-97.

The NRL is likely to expand the competition to 18 teams in 2013 with Perth a leading contender, along with Rockhampton in Central Queensland, Logan or Ipswich south of Brisbane, and Gosford on the NSW Central Coast.

The WARL believes three key selling points, the $82.5 million State Government-backed redevelopment of the eastern grandstand at nib Stadium, WA's booming economy and the WA TV time zone, will be key to the success of the bid.

"David Gallop (the NRL CEO) has already given the stadium a big tick, the players like coming here, the coaches like coming here," WARL chief executive John Sackson said.

"We have a booming economy and the infrastructure that comes with a capital city such as Perth with its strong corporate support.

"We have a proud rugby league heritage. Look at the Western Reds, who played at the WACA which was not an ideal ground by any means to watch rugby league and they attracted average crowds of 16,500 per game.

"Perth is tailor made for games being televised back into the eastern states because of our time zone.

"To have the support of clubs, the CEOs and the chairmen of the existing clubs, for them to vote unanimously for Perth as a destination for expansion is a very positive statement."

The WARL would need at least 18 months to build a team but is well on the way to building a $15 million annual budget to run an NRL franchise.

"Our plan is to present to the NRL's new independent commission in March-April next year so in the meantime we will be proactive and build a sustainable, robust, irresistible business plan that hopefully gets us over the line."

Meanwhile, David Hobbs has been elected chairman of the WARL board.

Hobbs, CEO of the Professionals Group WA & NT, is no stranger to setting up clubs.

He was with the Fremantle Dockers from inception, helping to set up its marketing and sponsorship arm. Hobbs replaces Terry Creasey who stepped down because of business commitments.

Potenital new NRL team Western Australia Reds win the endorsement of existing clubs to join competition

WA Reds get OK to join NRL

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Wb1234]

Gallop

 

[Perth Red]

Hahahahahaha.... you've waited so long for a perf team, and all your gonna see from the NRL is the bears in a different state, seriously why not just accept the game is not going to waste money on those who won't waste theirs... oh yes the chicken and the egg analogy... or gotta break eggs to make omelettes... NRL don't give a f**k about metros, broadcasters do, advertisers do, as long as the NRL is no.1 in the interest of publicity and drama and care factor over most codes, they wont give money they don't have to states that don't play it, and wont grow it on their own.... i mean why does anyone think PNG as a country is worthy of a license... when the back and forth vitriol on these forums always comes up with crime rates, poor incomes, unstable gov't, etc... but a place like Perth is a no brainer... yet cant afford to create a team/comp that can rival the Nsw/Qrl cup sides... team 18 will not be what you expect... it will be based on where juniors are the strongest.... why else do you think redcliffe and cronulla are in the comp... Penrith, Tigers, Titans, Souths... these clubs produce most of the players spread all over the NRL... what good is Perth to the NRL if they cant run a competitive comp

You do understand the concept that to sell something to someone you have to actually make it available to them dont you? Imagine if Maccas in the 60's had said "nah its pointless to try and set up outside of America as no one eats hamburgers in other countries".

You do write some dumb sht lol

There are NO NSw or Qlnd cup teams that are not funded by NRL or pokies. Your argument that a club should be able to magically find millions of $'s to compete in a 2nd tier comp is spurious and you are only using it because you dont think perth should have an NRL club.

 

[Perth Red]

Gallop

Fcker spent 3 years bigging up our chances and did nothing.

 

[Wb1234]

Fcker spent 3 years bigging up our chances and did nothing.

Bears too

 

[Perth Red]

Bears too

Yep, all the bid teams and fans were led down the garden path in that period. I was at presentations and meetings were the NRL made it sound like expansion was a foregone conclusion for 2013. When Smith and Grant took over they basically said your wasting your time and money. I still remember the look on the faces of the WA govt people (who'd just committed $100mill to doing up nib stadium on the back of an NRL club coming in) in the room and the business people who had got behind the bid. Not a great moment for the game in WA for sure.

 

[Wb1234]

Yep, all the bid teams and fans were led down the garden path in that period. I was at presentations and meetings were the NRL made it sound like expansion was a foregone conclusion for 2013. When Smith and Grant took over they basically said your wasting your time and money. I still remember the look on the faces of the WA govt people (who'd just committed $100mill to doing up nib stadium on the back of an NRL club coming in) in the room and the business people who had got behind the bid. Not a great moment for the game in WA for sure.

Which is why vlandys is so good