18th club, whose next?

[Colk]

All people are uneducated on most subjects, use a tribal epistemology, rely on "experts" or the powerful to inform them of their opinions, and are highly influenced by, or even reliant on, the anchoring effect and confirmation bias.

Almost all people make their decisions emotionally as well, and even the few that are truly capable of totally objective critical thinking (all of whom are rare forms of neurodivergent in my experience, i.e. the exceptions that prove the rule) are susceptible to what Haidt explained so succinctly using his analogy of the elephant and the rider.

I'm not having a go either, we simply haven't evolved for that kind of information retention and thinking, and even if we had there simply isn't enough time in the day for everyone to become experts in every area that they really should be, let alone niche hobbies like the football industry.

It's simply a product of our evolution, and there's no changing that.

Agreed. I was being diplomatic with the use of probably so apologies if it was misconstrued.

I haven’t read much Jonathan Haidt but I know of the analogy in which you speak of and it is quite an elegant way of describing the relationship between our logic/reason and emotion. That idea has been conceptualised over a long period of time, in many variant ways though.

 

[The Great Dane]

Agreed. I was being diplomatic with the use of probably so apologies if it was misconstrued.

I wasn't having a go, just expanding on the thought.

I haven’t read much Jonathan Haidt but I know of the analogy in which you speak of and it is quite an elegant way of describing the relationship between our logic/reason and emotion. That idea has been conceptualised over a long period of time, in many variant ways though.

Sure, but his is the most fun and accessible to laymen in my experience.

 

[Colk]

I wasn't having a go, just expanding on the thought.

Sure, but his is the most fun and accessible to laymen in my experience.

No problems. Wasn’t offended by any means.

I might give his stuff a further read.

 

[Wb1234]

The AFL totally dominate the VIC, WA, SA, and TAS markets, and hold a higher market share in NSW and QLD than the NRL could dream of having in VIC, WA, SA, and TAS. You could quibble about the ACT and NT if you liked, but at the end of the day both are largely irrelevant to the broader picture in the grand scheme of things.

If dominating half the country and having a significantly stronger share in the other half than the competition has in yours, and all the metrics that go along with that, isn't enough to make you 'king', then I don't know what is.

Really afl dominates does it ?

last year the nrl home and away season (ignoring all rep games incl origin) and excluding the tv ratings of the warriors thumped the afl by over 20 million viewers

maybe domination means something different to you than it does to me

even if you include both codes cumulative crowds rugby league trumps afl

 

[Perth Red]

Ma

Yeah I get it, that's how the game is played. But reality is, we are two teams off that same perception. Perth and Adelaide (Perth alone will probably do the trick). Again, how long that will take? God knows but we aren't that far off being able to capitalise ourselves and we would have spent a fraction of the money to do it.

mate we could be twenty years plus off that, if ever! Potential is only good if you actually realise it.

 

[Perth Red]

Really afl dominates does it ?

last year the nrl home and away season (ignoring all rep games incl origin) and excluding the tv ratings of the warriors thumped the afl by over 20 million viewers

maybe domination means something different to you than it does to me

even if you include both codes cumulative crowds rugby league trumps afl

We have by far the biggest semi engaged fanbase, tv, social media etc shows this.
They have by far the bigger fully engaged fanbase, as proven by crowds and membership.
they dominate in 3 states and have a strong presence in the other 2. We dominate in 2 states, having a growing presence in 1 and none in 2.
they totally dominate us in revenue generation.
who is king will always be subjective but all things considered I wish the nrl was in afls position and they were in ours!

 

[Dark Corner]

Really afl dominates does it ?

last year the nrl home and away season (ignoring all rep games incl origin) and excluding the tv ratings of the warriors thumped the afl by over 20 million viewers

maybe domination means something different to you than it does to me

even if you include both codes cumulative crowds rugby league trumps afl

I often think that if there were 1 code of Rugby in Australia think the NRL/SOO but the international of Union like WC, lions and international tours then it would definitely trump AFL.

 

[Wb1234]

We have by far the biggest semi engaged fanbase, tv, social media etc shows this.
They have by far the bigger fully engaged fanbase, as proven by crowds and membership.
they dominate in 3 states and have a strong presence in the other 2. We dominate in 2 states, having a growing presence in 1 and none in 2.
they totally dominate us in revenue generation.
who is king will always be subjective but all things considered I wish the nrl was in afls position and they were in ours!

This is next level bs

 

[Perth Red]

This is next level bs

Care to elaborate or counter argue any of my points?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

But we digress from the actual point, have the NRL actually demanded anything from the WA govt?

V'landys had a golden opportunity to negotiate a new stadium and high performance training centre from the Western Australian Government when they came to Magic Round in Brisbane.

He told them to "talk with the Bears". Opportunity wasted. All he cares about is upgrading amenities at shithole suburban grounds in Sydney.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I don't argue that they are better administered, better spread across the country and better at negotiating deals. What I do know is that if the AFL were the dominant code in NSW and QLD and us in VIC, SA & WA, we'd be almost obscure because if they had the geographical advantage and their administration, then game over.

The way it stands now, if the NRL can get their act together, they have a huge geographical advantage to capitalise on more than they have ever done before. If the NRL becomes a truly national brand, sponsors will flock to NRL clubs, because nothing creates a brand impact in NSW and QLD like an NRL team. The AFL can only dream of that impact. It is not going to come from the Lions, Suns, Swans or Giants.

We are an obscure sport in South Australia, Victoria, Western Australia and Tasmania.

AwFuL clubs from Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth generate more revenue from sponsorship, membership, ticketing and corporate hospitality than all of the Sydney NRL clubs.

The Sydney Swans generate more sponsorship revenue than the Brisbane Broncos. The Brisbane Broncos are the largest and richest rugby league club in the world. This is a very worrying dilemma for our game because it proves the corporate sector doesn't rate us as highly as our main competitor.

The Sydney NRL clubs draw a pitiful amount from football operations. That's despite the game's administration prioritising them to the detriment of every interstate club since 1988. Our game would be in a much stronger position today if its administration stuck with Adelaide and Perth in 1998.

We've given our main competitor a 25 year time frame to solidify their brand in Australia's fourth and fifth largest markets. That time frame will probably extend to 30 years by the time a Perth team enters the NRL. We're talking two or three generations of kids growing up in Adelaide and Perth with nothing but fumbleball to support. I cannot understate just how harmful that has been to our game and the difficulty it places on expanding into these markets.

Yeah I get it, that's how the game is played. But reality is, we are two teams off that same perception. Perth and Adelaide (Perth alone will probably do the trick). Again, how long that will take? God knows but we aren't that far off being able to capitalise ourselves and we would have spent a fraction of the money to do it.

Axing the Reds in 1997 and 1998 has given fumbleball a monopoly over the under 20s demographic in Adelaide and Perth.

Keeping both of those teams in the NRL would have allowed our sport to develop a similar position in the Perth and Adelaide markets as the Storm have carved out in Melbourne.

Two generations of potential rugby league supporters are now rusted on AwFuL fans who'll be more hesitant to give our game a go because we cast them aside to keep whinged from Sydney happy.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

If the WA government doesn’t come to the table with something big like a stadium, I can see Perth easily missing out to another franchise. And then who knows how long it will be before Perth gets another shot? Not that I agree with Perth missing out but if you think I’m joking, just remember how risk adverse the NRL are.

How can the WA Giv pitch the idea of a new stadium to the ARLC when V'landys refused to talk with them?

Regardless of whether or not people believe PNG can support a team, the new census results will be interesting. For the talk of a lack of a player pool, PNG is mostly untapped and probably even bigger than we think.

PNG doesn't have the infrastructure. Its two largest cities, Port Moresby and Lae, aren't connected to one another via road. It's hard to identify talent across the country when the only way of traversing across it is via plane.

 

[Zachary Smith]

PNG, they live and breathe Rugby League

 

[The Great Dane]

Really afl dominates does it ?

last year the nrl home and away season (ignoring all rep games incl origin) and excluding the tv ratings of the warriors thumped the afl by over 20 million viewers

maybe domination means something different to you than it does to me

even if you include both codes cumulative crowds rugby league trumps afl

That’s just not what I said is it…

Wanna have a crack at actually addressing the point I actually made?

 

[Wb1234]

I often think that if there were 1 code of Rugby in Australia think the NRL/SOO but the international of Union like WC, lions and international tours then it would definitely trump AFL.

Union internationals here are minor

bledisloe struggles to beat a club game of rugby keav

Care to elaborate or counter argue any of my points?

What points ?

you pulled that stuff out of your backside

I know it hurts you a lot but 15 nrl clubs trounced 18 afl clubs

it’s common knowledge membership figures are bs and clubs like the giants are hardly accurate with their crowds

afl gets great crowds but poor tv ratings

but hey it’s a strong second

 

[Dark Corner]

Union internationals here are minor

bledisloe struggles to beat a club game of rugby keav

What points ?

you pulled that stuff out of your backside

I know it hurts you a lot but 15 nrl clubs trounced 18 afl clubs

it’s common knowledge membership figures are bs and clubs like the giants are hardly accurate with their crowds

afl gets great crowds but poor tv ratings

but hey it’s a strong second

Yes I know what you mean Union has been on a massive downfall since 2006 or something and even a Lions tour and World Cup is just papering over the cracks but my post was a What If post...just wish Rugby League had a bigger international scene.

 

[Wb1234]

Yes I know what you mean Union has been on a massive downfall since 2006 or something and even a Lions tour and World Cup is just papering over the cracks but my post was a What If post...just wish Rugby League had a bigger international scene.

Talk end of season internationals featuring aus nz Tonga samoa png

I think tonga are touring England this year and the rest playing a comp In nz

 

[Pneuma]

Union internationals here are minor

bledisloe struggles to beat a club game of rugby keav

What points ?

you pulled that stuff out of your backside

I know it hurts you a lot but 15 nrl clubs trounced 18 afl clubs

it’s common knowledge membership figures are bs and clubs like the giants are hardly accurate with their crowds

afl gets great crowds but poor tv ratings

but hey it’s a strong second

I really couldn’t give a rats about who is 1st or 2nd. It’s all a matter of subjective interpretation anyway. The way I see it our major competitor’s product is a garbage. If people choose to subject themselves to it that ain’t my problem.
But the endless whinging by a small number here about why we can’t be more like them is bloody stupid. I wouldn’t want the nrl admin to behave in such an unconscionable and dishonest mannner. All the signs are that our game is at a point where it can expand its top level base in men’s and women’s comps, grow its finances and resource base, and modify its participation offerings to remain one of the country’s favourite sports. Our major competitor is attempting to bribe Tasmania of all places to join its comp. It has absolutely nothing to gain here in terms of television audience, crowds or sponsorship. That’s how desperate it is. It has no actual or potential international growth. It’s attempt in NZ failed. It’s nearest neighbours are rugby league/union fanatics. It’s a dead end sport. It’s also paranoid about threats. If we stick a team in Perth we are sticking it right up them you better believe it. Happy Tuesday all

 

[Perth Red]

Union internationals here are minor

bledisloe struggles to beat a club game of rugby keav

What points ?

you pulled that stuff out of your backside

I know it hurts you a lot but 15 nrl clubs trounced 18 afl clubs

it’s common knowledge membership figures are bs and clubs like the giants are hardly accurate with their crowds

afl gets great crowds but poor tv ratings

but hey it’s a strong second

These are facts lol

We have by far the biggest semi engaged fanbase, tv, social media etc shows this. - Fact
They have by far the bigger fully engaged fanbase, as proven by crowds and membership. - Fact
they dominate in 3 states and have a strong presence in the other 2. - Fact
We dominate in 2 states, having a growing presence in 1 and none in 2. - Fact
they totally dominate us in revenue generation. - Fact at club and hq level

So basically out of 4 key measures (casual fanbase, active fanbase, state presence, revenue) they beat us in 3 out of the 4.
Measures 3&4 are linked, why Perth then Adelaide have to be be next 2 clubs if we want to close the gap.

 

[Wb1234]

These are facts lol

We have by far the biggest semi engaged fanbase, tv, social media etc shows this. - Fact
They have by far the bigger fully engaged fanbase, as proven by crowds and membership. - Fact
they dominate in 3 states and have a strong presence in the other 2. - Fact
We dominate in 2 states, having a growing presence in 1 and none in 2. - Fact
they totally dominate us in revenue generation. - Fact at club and hq level

So basically out of 4 key measures (casual fanbase, active fanbase, state presence, revenue) they beat us in 3 out of the 4.
Measures 3&4 are linked, why Perth then Adelaide have to be be next 2 clubs if we want to close the gap.

15 nrl teams outrated 18 afl teams

but afl is a strong second

no shame in that