18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

Yep. Hopefully the bid has this money sorted and haven't got their hand out to the NRL.

Otherwise they need to do their homework before putting in a bid.

Its not about the NRL funding anything, other than participation which is what it should be funding as thats the ARLC's purpose. Its about responding to an environment to ensure a start up business has the best chance of success. It can do that without spending a cent, mostly, but this one size fits all socialist approach the NRl has is a bind on growing the game. The same for NZ2 or PNG, they will also need help and a different approach if they are to be a success.

 

[Perth Red]

Thats not a reason to expand, what are we getting in return? Sure as shit ain't players... the effort to travel outwards to Perth, PNG or Wellington etc, is only worth it if theres a carrot, you nothing but a city and a possibility of juniors in a decade, thats not an instant incentive to stick it out in WA, we have team in RL playing areas we are already doing that for, Gold coast is a prime example of that, the NRL want players and player stocks over this misguided perception of a "national" game... i mean how insulting is it to call the premier rugby comp in the world not worthy of recognition, just coz it never had a Perth team in this itteration of it

Growing NRL revenue isnt a reason to expand? Eh?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Its not about the NRL funding anything, other than participation which is what it should be funding as thats the ARLC's purpose. Its about responding to an environment to ensure a start up business has the best chance of success. It can do that without spending a cent, mostly, but this one size fits all socialist approach the NRl has is a bind on growing the game. The same for NZ2 or PNG, they will also need help and a different approach if they are to be a success.

Best chance of success is being able to stand on your own two feet from day 1.

If you need Concessions and handouts from day 1 maybe you're not ready for the NRL.

 

[MugaB]

Growing NRL revenue isnt a reason to expand? Eh?

Again dipshit any bid will grow the revenue, central coast bears will create a 9th game... the revenue will grow.. you forget your bid has a lot of cons in it, and we can continue to come to Perth every few years for origin and grab that cash, without wasting the time, effort and money on and area that wont do it for themselves, hand out kings over there

 

[Wb1234]

Its not about the NRL funding anything, other than participation which is what it should be funding as thats the ARLC's purpose. Its about responding to an environment to ensure a start up business has the best chance of success. It can do that without spending a cent, mostly, but this one size fits all socialist approach the NRl has is a bind on growing the game. The same for NZ2 or PNG, they will also need help and a different approach if they are to be a success.

Nrl grant five million over cap is the gift for any expansion club to prosper

 

[MugaB]

Best chance of success is being able to stand on your own two feet from day 1.

If you need Concessions and handouts from day 1 maybe you're not ready for the NRL.

Nice one, you beat me by a minute on the handouts comment

 

[Perth Red]

Best chance of success is being able to stand on your own two feet from day 1.

If you need Concessions and handouts from day 1 maybe you're not ready for the NRL.

Or maybe its time for the NRL to grow up and realise that not all things are equal? Its kind of childish to juts expect evrything to be the same for everyone.
Dolphins have got off to a great start but so did Titans. It would seem we learnt little from the Titans experience. Hopefully Dolphins wont end up in the same hole as Titans have for most of their existence but so far they have signed an entire squad from other teams are now back fishing in the same pond for other clubs players for years 2-5.
NRL getting creative to see Perth/Wellington/PNG build a competitive team without weakening other clubs rosters is a win win for everyone.
Did I hear correctly during the last game that roosters have only had 21 local Jnrs play first grade? Is that all time or in a certain period of time? Some regions have the kids, some clubs produce the money, some clubs grow the fanbase, some clubs help change the perception for the sport for the better. Isnt that what you all argue when sht clubs like cronulla and Manly are mentioned for culling?

 

[greenBV4]

you do realise travel for Wellington or PNG would be same or worse than Perth? Or are we putting a 3 hr travel limit on any new NRL club? lol

Not to mention the added headache of customs, which I'm sure is far from smooth sailing from png

Also re: png, can someone care to explain exactly how a "png" fifo team brings more png players into the nrl when there is already a png team in the qcup with players ripe for the taking? What extra pathways exactly does it open? There's also nothing stopping any club sending scouts to png right now and picking out the best up and comers

The best use of any federal funds towards RL and PNG is not to waste it on a travel burdened club pretending to represent a country it's not based in, but would be better spent setting up an Australian RL Academy in Port Moresby where the best players can be identified and set up with visas to play for existing clubs in the NRL (or qcup/nswcup)

You could even set up something like an annual PNG draft

 

[Perth Red]

Nrl grant five million over cap is the gift for any expansion club to prosper

It is, no club should not be viable with a $17mill plus grant. Thats not what Im talking about. Im talking about proactive strategies to mitigate risk.

 

[Wb1234]

It is, no club should not be viable with a $17mill plus grant. Thats not what Im talking about. Im talking about proactive strategies to mitigate risk.

Not needed since the grant is so high

but I do agree with you in general

league does zilch to support expansion teams vs afl which does the exact opposite

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Looks like another meltdown coming up.

 

[Perth Red]

Not needed since the grant is so high

but I do agree with you in general

league does zilch to support expansion teams vs afl which does the exact opposite

That doesnt help a new club. Especially new clubs that will struggle to entice players to move across the country or to another country. You think Perth will struggle to build a team at inception good luck with Wellington or PNG! Sure in a decade or two they'll be producing more no doubt but until then?

Perth would be ideal to raid SL and Union. but needs some support to do so. Cap concessions for players signed outside of NRL rosters helps everyone. A relocation allowance would also help, and that should be for Warriors, Raiders, Cowboys and maybe Storm as well.

 

[Wb1234]

That doesnt help a new club. Especially new clubs that will struggle to entice players to move across the country or to another country. You think Perth will struggle to build a team at inception good luck with Wellington or PNG! Sure in a decade or two they'll be producing more no doubt but until then?

Perth would be ideal to raid SL and Union. but needs some support to do so. Cap concessions for players signed outside of NRL rosters helps everyone. A relocation allowance would also help, and that should be for Warriors, Raiders, Cowboys and maybe Storm as well.

Maybe

I’ve always thought the nrl should fund regional sides with an extra 1 million pa grant (cowboys raiders dragons tigers knights) and non heartland teams 2 million extra pa (storm nz png Perth Adelaide)

they also need to look at drastic changes to the salary cap for clubs who produce juniors. The current system has little incentive for clubs to invest it’s just easier to sit back and poach

(dragons and tigers only regional if they play ten games in regional area)

 

[MugaB]

Not needed since the grant is so high

but I do agree with you in general

league does zilch to support expansion teams vs afl which does the exact opposite

The league supports them after they go broke, bails them out, they hand them a license so that they can run their own shop, this whole notion of equal teams will never exist, purely because certian areas of the country or citys are more attractive to players than others, squads/coaches, etc

 

[Wb1234]

The league supports them after they go broke, bails them out, they hand them a license so that they can run their own shop, this whole notion of equal teams will never exist, purely because certian areas of the country or citys are more attractive to players than others, squads/coaches, etc

Trying to make clubs more equal results in a better competition

salary cap doesn’t work though that’s the problem

 

[MugaB]

That doesnt help a new club. Especially new clubs that will struggle to entice players to move across the country or to another country. You think Perth will struggle to build a team at inception good luck with Wellington or PNG! Sure in a decade or two they'll be producing more no doubt but until then?

Perth would be ideal to raid SL and Union. but needs some support to do so. Cap concessions for players signed outside of NRL rosters helps everyone. A relocation allowance would also help, and that should be for Warriors, Raiders, Cowboys and maybe Storm as well.

Why are you needing a leg up, why is the warriors, raiders cows and storm needing a leg up? They all have a license, they all have been playing the game for over 25 years, no one get concessions, it creates uneveness in the comp, why do they get that!, and we dont? This isn't the AFL don't pretend that what will work there will ever work here, they run a communist style comp

 

[Perth Red]

Maybe

I’ve always thought the nrl should fregional sides with an extra 1 million pa grant (cowboys raiders dragons tigers knights) and non heartland teams 2 million extra pa

they also need to look at drastic changes to the salary cap for clubs who produce juniors. The current system has little incentive for clubs to invest it’s just easier to sit back and poach

(dragons and tigers only regional if they play ten games in regional area)

Fans need to get over the 1970's notion of 'producing players'! Its not an NRL clubs job to be worrying about U10's, and only exists because of the vagaries of history that saw pokie dens come into existence.

It should be the ARLC through its state bodies to grow both participation numbers and quality of coaching etc for anything U16. Then at 16+ NRL clubs pick up the best of the best and develop them through elite pathways into NRL first graders. Sure if you want to say a kid coming through U18's to first grade is a local jnr and reward that then fair enough. Its interesting to go through NRL clubs squads and see how many players 'debuted' in NRL for that club.

EVERY NRL club is doing this, some more successfully than others. Where little johnny first picks up a steeden is irrelevant. Unless the NRL gives every club the same amount of development funding to grow participation in their nominated areas then leave it to the state bodies and programs like 'allstars' to get kids playing the game.

 

[MugaB]

Trying to make clubs more equal results in a better competition

salary cap doesn’t work though that’s the problem

Equal? Giving concessions to one team and not another isn't equal, if you cant do what the others are doing on the same amount of funds, then you cant complain and aren't deserving of a license..
All you are is looking for handouts

 

[Wb1234]

Fans need to get over the 1970's notion of 'producing players'! Its not an NRL clubs job to be worrying about U10's, and only exists because of the vagaries of history that saw pokie dens come into existence.

It should be the ARLC through its state bodies to grow both participation numbers and quality of coaching etc for anything U16. Then at 16+ NRL clubs pick up the best of the best and develop them through elite pathways into NRL first graders. Sure if you want to say a kid coming through U18's to first grade is a local jnr and reward that then fair enough. Its interesting to go through NRL clubs squads and see how many players 'debuted' in NRL for that club.

EVERY NRL club is doing this, some more successfully than others. Where little johnny first picks up a steeden is irrelevant. Unless the NRL gives every club the same amount of development funding to grow participation in their nominated areas then leave it to the state bodies and programs like 'allstars' to get kids playing the game.

Disagree

you want what the afl is doing

spending tens of millions a year in rugby league areas and failing and costing

a modest investment in afl areas by the arlc but it’s the clubs who should produce players

 

[Perth Red]

Why are you needing a leg up, why is the warriors, raiders cows and storm needing a leg up? They all have a license, they all have been playing the game for over 25 years, no one get concessions, it creates uneveness in the comp, why do they get that!, and we dont? This isn't the AFL don't pretend that what will work there will ever work here, they run a communist style comp

Because not all things are equal. Its equity over equality. Do I need to post the pic again? We've let some clubs struggle along on verge of going bust and unable to invest in growing the club whilst others in more fortuitous circumstances rake big profits. Its nuts really.