18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

Sounds good however what that does is favour teams who happen to be in larger jnr participation areas. You can’t blame roosters or melbourne that there arent many kids playing rl in the area they have been assigned.

Maybe if you said any player making nrl debut from u19’s but even then it still favours some clubs over others. Maybe just accept different clubs bring different value to the nrl.

They are forced to look at other areas like png nz or central coast

bad luck they are in bad areas for juniors

if every club did it player number would boom

 

[Perth Red]

They are forced to look at other areas like png nz or central coast

bad luck they are in bad areas for juniors

if every club did it player number would boom

every club does do it. There isnt a club in the nrl that doesn't have some sort of elite pathway system in place for 16yr olds > first grade.

and again what constitutes a jnr?
Lets take Cronulla, much lauded for their significant jnr region. In last weeks starting 17 only ONE player was actually a Jnr in their region. the other 16 started from other areas at some point, either as young players or as nrl players. Your notion is incredibly outdated.

 

[Wb1234]

every club does do it. There isnt a club in the nrl that doesn't have some sort of elite pathway system in place for 16yr olds > first grade.

and again what constitutes a jnr?
Lets take Cronulla, much lauded for their significant jnr region. In last weeks starting 17 only ONE player was actually a Jnr in their region. the other 16 started from other areas at some point, either as young players or as nrl players. Your notion is incredibly outdated.

Penrith Canberra sharks brisbane then it’s meh mostly

 

[Perth Red]

Penrith Canberra sharks brisbane then it’s meh mostly

Like I sold last week sharks had one player who was a local. What’s more important is what clubs have the most players make their nrl debut for that club. That shows whose scouting well and developing kids into first graders,

 

[Pneuma]

Penrith Canberra sharks brisbane then it’s meh mostly

The sad old twerp hates the sharks. We’ve recorded 390 junior teams this year already. That’s apart from our pathway teams. We are a powerhouse. We have junior systems in place the old twerp can only dream of

 

[Perth Red]

Sharks have had 16 of 30 players listed that have made their NRL debut for the club. Only 1 came from a local Jnr team.
That's why its more important to look at who is bringing players into the NRl rather than where they played as kids.

 

[Vee]

You can't have a draft. Fullstop.

Always wondered how the Fumblers manage it?

 

[Vee]

Anyone who attempts a draft will have it challenged successfully in court.Tutty set the precedent. No ,more law fare ,the game loses out money wise. Especially as it's starting to make decent bikkies.

How do the Fumblers do it?

 

[Perth Red]

How do the Fumblers do it?

Its not illegal to have a draft if the players agree with it. You cant force it on them but you can have bargaining agreement that accepts it.
How do they do it? When they renegotiated the player deal they got sign off originally from the players and now its just accepted. I'm sure the players union uses it as a bit of a stick when it comes to renegotiation time.

 

[Wb1234]

Always wondered how the Fumblers manage it?

All it takes is one player challenging it

we had terry hill who wanted to go to manly or wests instead of the club that wanted him

plus it’s for juniors only not established players

our draft was for established players

a draft is legal provided you can show there’s a public benefit to it which covers the restraint of trade

 

[taipan]

How do the Fumblers do it?

They have been extremely fortunate so far ,as no player has challenged it. It can be argued it's a restraint of trade.
The fumblers have had it in for quite a while and everybody just accepts it ,whereas we have more than one player challenge it.
Maybe someone with an AFL background can explain how they accept it as part of being a player.

 

[Wb1234]

They have been extremely fortunate so far ,as no player has challenged it. It can be argued it's a restraint of trade.
The fumblers have had it in for quite a while and everybody just accepts it ,whereas we have more than one player challenge it.
Maybe someone with an AFL background can explain how they accept it as part of being a player.

If they (afl) tried a draft on developed players they would challenge it

it’s part of their junior pathways which nrl does differently and would never work for league

 

[Perth Red]

They have been extremely fortunate so far ,as no player has challenged it. It can be argued it's a restraint of trade.
The fumblers have had it in for quite a while and everybody just accepts it ,whereas we have more than one player challenge it.
Maybe someone with an AFL background can explain how they accept it as part of being a player.

Largely as Jnr pathways are not part of the AFL clubs responsibility so the kids coming up dont expect to play for a certain club, beyond hoping to be near home maybe, and are grateful to get drafted and have a shot in the top tier. Its very different system and like the NRL/College one is suited to a draft.

I suspect AFL sweetens the players deal and under the table reminds the players association that part of getting a good deal is not to challenge it. An individual could I suppose but they would probably be pressured not to by the rest of the playing group. When your a 17 or 18 year old kid youre not going to risk incurring the wrath of the entire afl and its players by challenging it.

Thsi is quite an interesting read if youre interested in such things

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ANZSportsLawJl/2006/5.pdf

 

[Vee]

Thsi is quite an interesting read if youre interested in such things

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ANZSportsLawJl/2006/5.pdf

Just the short version, thanks.

 

[taipan]

Largely as Jnr pathways are not part of the AFL clubs responsibility so the kids coming up dont expect to play for a certain club, beyond hoping to be near home maybe, and are grateful to get drafted and have a shot in the top tier. Its very different system and like the NRL/College one is suited to a draft.

I suspect AFL sweetens the players deal and under the table reminds the players association that part of getting a good deal is not to challenge it. An individual could I suppose but they would probably be pressured not to by the rest of the playing group. When your a 17 or 18 year old kid youre not going to risk incurring the wrath of the entire afl and its players by challenging it.

Thsi is quite an interesting read if youre interested in such things

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/ANZSportsLawJl/2006/5.pdf

Hence why it really hasn't been challenged.Old crotchety Roy Masters has stated they will be crapping blue lights if a group challenge the draft Ala Dennis Tutty.

 

[taipan]

Like I sold last week sharks had one player who was a local. What’s more important is what clubs have the most players make their nrl debut for that club. That shows whose scouting well and developing kids into first graders,

The club has probably more juniors than WA in toto. One of the largest junior leagues in Sydney . Players still get opportunities but they have to be good enough.No club is going to ignore talented players that are not in their backyard. Clubs want success and having success encourages grassroots in their area to push for inclusion.

When the Sharks won the 2016 G/F who was concerned about the local content(which would have been nice but pro sport is lacking in that respect).Gallen was not a local originally ,now everyone seems to know him.

 

[Perth Red]

The club has probably more juniors than WA in toto. One of the largest junior leagues in Sydney . Players still get opportunities but they have to be good enough.No club is going to ignore talented players that are not in their backyard. Clubs want success and having success encourages grassroots in their area to push for inclusion.

When the Sharks won the 2016 G/F who was concerned about the local content(which would have been nice but pro sport is notice in that respect).Gallen was not a local originally ,now everyone seems to know him.

My point exactly! No one cares (except some nsw dinosaurs) where an 8 year old threw a steeden around, its are clubs developing 16 year+ olds from wherever into quality first graders.
The 8 year olds are the ARLC's responsibility

 

[Centy Coast]

Simple incentive invest in juniors and keep them you get a million or two million more to spend than clubs that don’t

every club would then be forced to do it to get the advantages

Well if a draft is out of the question then clubs that develop juniors should be rewarded under the salary cap, local juniors from a local competition from under a NRL clubs banner who make NRL level would get the biggest discount %, then players developed through the pathways system like Harold Matt’s, S.G.Ball and Jersey Flegg would be in the next tier.
Clubs like the Roosters who don’t have a huge junior nursery would have to adopt an area or pay overs for players they have poached and haven’t developed.
Interstate clubs like Melbourne who are in AFL dominated territory would have to form partnerships with other areas like they have with Brisbane Easts and the Sunshine Coast.
There is no incentive for loyalty in recent years, from clubs or the players, it cheapens the sport and it also makes the sport less tribal.
Sure clubs can’t keep everybody but if a player wants to stay and the club wants to keep them then if that player has come through the juniors/pathways or has been at that club for 10+ years then surely both the club and player are entitled to be rewarded.
This is what I find totally wrong with professional rugby league and it really needs to be fixed.

 

[Pneuma]

The club has probably more juniors than WA in toto. One of the largest junior leagues in Sydney . Players still get opportunities but they have to be good enough.No club is going to ignore talented players that are not in their backyard. Clubs want success and having success encourages grassroots in their area to push for inclusion.

When the Sharks won the 2016 G/F who was concerned about the local content(which would have been nice but pro sport is notice in that respect).Gallen was not a local originally ,now everyone seems to know him.

Sharks have already registered 390 teams this year mate. Should get to 400 for the first time once all are in.

 

[Bukowski]

If they (afl) tried a draft on developed players they would challenge it

it’s part of their junior pathways which nrl does differently and would never work for league

No, they have a rookie draft and a draft for players off contract.