18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

Well if a draft is out of the question then clubs that develop juniors should be rewarded under the salary cap, local juniors from a local competition from under a NRL clubs banner who make NRL level would get the biggest discount %, then players developed through the pathways system like Harold Matt’s, S.G.Ball and Jersey Flegg would be in the next tier.
Clubs like the Roosters who don’t have a huge junior nursery would have to adopt an area or pay overs for players they have poached and haven’t developed.
Interstate clubs like Melbourne who are in AFL dominated territory would have to form partnerships with other areas like they have with Brisbane Easts and the Sunshine Coast.
There is no incentive for loyalty in recent years, from clubs or the players, it cheapens the sport and it also makes the sport less tribal.
Sure clubs can’t keep everybody but if a player wants to stay and the club wants to keep them then if that player has come through the juniors/pathways or has been at that club for 10+ years then surely both the club and player are entitled to be rewarded.
This is what I find totally wrong with professional rugby league and it really needs to be fixed.

Its PROFESSIONAL rugby league, not amateur.

Fans and sponsors want to see teams winning, they really dont give a sht where johhny played when he was a kid. Neither do the clubs, nor should they.

Its the ARLC's job to increase participation. its the NRL clubs job to take the best youth from wherever they can scout them and turn them into quality first graders.

Sharks with one of the biggest jnr participation areas have just 1 player from a local jnr club. Ask their fans if they care. Ironically Melbourne have more local jnrs than Sharks do lol

Of the current first team squad Sharks have debuted 16 players, Tigers 15, Bulldogs 15, Storm 21. Thats the key stat we should reward.

 

[Wb1234]

Well if a draft is out of the question then clubs that develop juniors should be rewarded under the salary cap, local juniors from a local competition from under a NRL clubs banner who make NRL level would get the biggest discount %, then players developed through the pathways system like Harold Matt’s, S.G.Ball and Jersey Flegg would be in the next tier.
Clubs like the Roosters who don’t have a huge junior nursery would have to adopt an area or pay overs for players they have poached and haven’t developed.
Interstate clubs like Melbourne who are in AFL dominated territory would have to form partnerships with other areas like they have with Brisbane Easts and the Sunshine Coast.
There is no incentive for loyalty in recent years, from clubs or the players, it cheapens the sport and it also makes the sport less tribal.
Sure clubs can’t keep everybody but if a player wants to stay and the club wants to keep them then if that player has come through the juniors/pathways or has been at that club for 10+ years then surely both the club and player are entitled to be rewarded.
This is what I find totally wrong with professional rugby league and it really needs to be fixed.

Pretty much nailed it

 

[Wb1234]

Its PROFESSIONAL rugby league, not amateur.

Fans and sponsors want to see teams winning, they really dont give a sht where johhny played when he was a kid. Neither do the clubs, nor should they.

Its the ARLC's job to increase participation. its the NRL clubs job to take the best youth from wherever they can scout them and turn them into quality first graders.

Sharks with one of the biggest jnr participation areas have just 1 player from a local jnr club. Ask their fans if they care. Ironically Melbourne have more local jnrs than Sharks do lol

Of the current first team squad Sharks have debuted 16 players, Tigers 15, Bulldogs 15, Storm 21. Thats the key stat we should reward.

Hahaha

on another thread your bagging the sharks team that won the comp as not having enough Cronulla juniors

you can’t keep up with your own bs

 

[FlameThrower]

Back on topic, but a Perth team is a must IMO. But I think there is a major roadblock to a WA team as NRL keeps ignoring it? Who is backing the Perth bid, why are they constantly ignored?

 

[MugaB]

Back on topic, but a Perth team is a must IMO. But I think there is a major roadblock to a WA team as NRL keeps ignoring it? Who is backing the Perth bid, why are they constantly ignored?

 

[greenBV4]

An elective/soft draft could work

Club juniors can choose to continue up pathways or enter the draft, players outside of pathways (affiliate states, rural areas, nz, pacific, png, England etc) can also enter themselves into the draft

Noone is forced to enter it

Struggling clubs gets top draft picks without having to pay overs for players to bolster their ranks

A draft night also gives the nrl more pre season content to sell to broadcasters, and the media something besides scandals to talk about in the offseason

 

[Bukowski]

Back on topic, but a Perth team is a must IMO. But I think there is a major roadblock to a WA team as NRL keeps ignoring it? Who is backing the Perth bid, why are they constantly ignored?

There's no bid as the NRL hasn't called for bids, picked an area or a year.

 

[taipan]

Sharks have already registered 390 teams this year mate. Should get to 400 for the first time once all are in.

Yep champ it's all good .But Mr Fish & Chips will always look for the negatives.
Wait for the reaction when we become a Republic.

 

[The Great Dane]

There is an alternative to draft systems that nobody talks about.

The NRL could introduce a proper transfer system with transfer fees. It'd be a little weird in a salary capped system, but at least the clubs that are developing all the talent would get some form of compensation for their work. I guess there's no reason why lower tier and grassroots clubs couldn't demand transfer fees as well, which could be an interesting way to get more money into the grassroots as well.

It's food for thought anyway.

 

[Wb1234]

There is an alternative to draft systems that nobody talks about.

The NRL could introduce a proper transfer system with transfer fees. It'd be a little weird in a salary capped system, but at least the clubs that are developing all the talent would get some form of compensation for their work. I guess there's no reason why lower tier and grassroots clubs couldn't demand transfer fees as well, which could be an interesting way to get more money into the grassroots as well.

It's food for thought anyway.

That’s part of the solution for sure

the game needs to look at the current system it’s not ideal

you can’t have a handful of clubs producing players for the whole competition

Keeping players long term is also good for fans and club identity

 

[MugaB]

There is an alternative to draft systems that nobody talks about.

The NRL could introduce a proper transfer system with transfer fees. It'd be a little weird in a salary capped system, but at least the clubs that are developing all the talent would get some form of compensation for their work. I guess there's no reason why lower tier and grassroots clubs couldn't demand transfer fees as well, which could be an interesting way to get more money into the grassroots as well.

It's food for thought anyway.

There seems to be a transfer payment for ESL, John Bateman had to get an extra payment to his former club in england, why isn't that any different? Can we make it here too, i mean if someone like the bulldogs have contracted Stephen Chricton, should there be a transfer payment to Penrith for example
I suppose money isn't an issue, its more salary cap space

 

[Wb1234]

There seems to be a transfer payment for ESL, John Bateman had to get an extra payment to his former club in england, why isn't that any different? Can we make it here too, i mean if someone like the bulldogs have contracted Stephen Chricton, should there be a transfer payment to Penrith for example
I suppose money isn't an issue, its more salary cap space

Those are different and clubs do pay transfer fees here

the transfer fee you refer to is compensation to a club to move to another during a contract like they do on premier league

danes talking about money paid to junior clubs for signing their players

dunno how it would work at Penrith for example where st Mary’s or others who are Penrith juniors then end up at the panthers

 

[flippikat]

There's no bid as the NRL hasn't called for bids, picked an area or a year.

Exactly.

Just look at how the Brisbane bids popped up as soon as the NRL called for them.

We need a clear call for bids for team 18 very soon, unless the NRL want to just pick a winner without throwing it open.

 

[Perth Red]

There is an alternative to draft systems that nobody talks about.

The NRL could introduce a proper transfer system with transfer fees. It'd be a little weird in a salary capped system, but at least the clubs that are developing all the talent would get some form of compensation for their work. I guess there's no reason why lower tier and grassroots clubs couldn't demand transfer fees as well, which could be an interesting way to get more money into the grassroots as well.

It's food for thought anyway.

Transfer fees have been deemed illegal for any player off contract (the bosman ruling)
nrl clubs donating $20k to each jnr club where each of their debuted players comes from would be a good idea.
Even better would be the arlc fulfilling its mandate and funding grassroots properly.
afl once again leads the way with a min commitment of 10% of football operations revenue to grassroots. ($67mill on 2023). Nrl needs to follow suit.

 

[Perth Red]

Exactly.

Just look at how the Brisbane bids popped up as soon as the NRL called for them.

We need a clear call for bids for team 18 very soon, unless the NRL want to just pick a winner without throwing it open.

Depends where. A bid process will likely take 4-6months.

In Perth there is likely more than one bid option so worth opening it up, but may go with whoever wa govt backs as long as they tick the boxes.
nz2 feels like they’d have to go to open bid given the ltd public interest of bids to date
png/pasifika will need to be nrl led if that is genuinely anything more than a platitude to aus govt.

then there’s the bears lol

 

[Wb1234]

Transfer fees have been deemed illegal for any player off contract (the bosman ruling)
nrl clubs donating $20k to each jnr club where each of their debuted players comes from would be a good idea.
Even better would be the arlc fulfilling its mandate and funding grassroots properly.
afl once again leads the way with a min commitment of 10% of football operations revenue to grassroots. ($67mill on 2023). Nrl needs to follow suit.

Head office spending on juniors is imo inefficient

afl is the prime example of wasting money for bragging

the current system needs tweaking

 

[Perth Red]

That’s part of the solution for sure

the game needs to look at the current system it’s not ideal

you can’t have a handful of clubs producing players for the whole competition

Keeping players long term is also good for fans and club identity

Are they though? A quick look at 4 clubs showed three of them produce the same number of players whilst Storm debuts most Of the 4 I looked at.

To get a true picture you’d need to go through every clubs squad and where they made their nrl debut to judge who’s the real player production line for nrl. A quick look at 4 clubs showed squads are made up roughly of 50% club developed players, 50% players developed by other clubs.

Which clubs are you thinking don’t produce nrl first graders?

 

[Perth Red]

Head office spending on juniors is imo inefficient

afl is the prime example of wasting money for bragging

the current system needs tweaking

The problem of the alternative is it’s beholden to having an nrl club/pokie den in the region willing to spend on participation rather than just self interest in elite pathways, or else grassroots get neglected. The oft heard cry of the regions I believe.

short of appearAndes at schools etc what nrl clubs are spending. Significantly on grassroots participation?
And I’m not talking about running elite development programs which are there to furnish the first team with players not to get more kids playing rugby league.

 

[Wb1234]

Are they though? A quick look at 4 clubs showed three of them produce the same number of players whilst Storm debuts most Of the 4 I looked at.

To get a true picture you’d need to go through every clubs squad and where they made their nrl debut to judge who’s the real player production line for nrl. A quick look showed most clubs squads are made up roughly of 50% club developed players, 50% players developed by other clubs.

Which clubs are you thinking don’t produce nrl first graders?

Cronulla Penrith broncos Canberra dragons (Illawarra only) are the bigger clubs

parra have neglected their juniors for ages

cowboys and knights develop enough for themselves plus a surplus

 

[Perth Red]

Cronulla Penrith broncos Canberra dragons (Illawarra only) are the bigger clubs

parra have neglected their juniors for ages

cowboys and knights develop enough for themselves plus a surplus

Cronulla have 50% developed 50% from other clubs in the first team squad and only one player out of thirty who came from a local jnr club.

Canberra 19 of 30 debuted for raiders ie 63% developed 37% developed by other clubs

panthers 18 of 26 home grown

broncos 15 of 25 home grown