18th club, whose next?

[mongoose]

The most popular League in any sport in the world is the EPL and look how many have won the Premiership and even on finals day at Wembley but the game is still massive in my home town despite how many failures Newcastle have had.

yeah but the relegation/promotion battle between all the divisions is so gripping to all English football fans, just being promoted into Premier League for so many clubs is like winning the whole competition.

 

[The Great Dane]

And yet none of those clubs are even remotely close to being in the SuperLeague.

Sounds good in theory but in practice it's not working to aid expansion.

It would also be challenging to attract long term sponsors and investors knowing you could be relegated any time, and spend huge money getting to the top tier only to get relegated immediately.

The TV deal in Australia would be significantly less, or need to be adjusted annually if clubs could be relegated annually.

The Japanese football association's 100 year plan addresses those problems as much as it's humanly possible.

Football purists in Europe hate the Japanese football pyramid, but it's much more successful at promoting sustainable growth than either the traditional pyramid or any licensed/franchise system I've seen.
The growth soccer has experienced in Japan since the early 90s is insane and it's totally down to the 100 year plan, their pyramid system, and excellent administration. It's been so successful that other sports in Japan (RU for example) and other Asian football federations have been copying it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_association_football_league_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.League_100_Year_Plan_club_status#100_Year_Plan_status_(since_2014)
http://jsoccer.com/new/jfl

In theory there's no reason why the NRL couldn't create a similar system. The criteria for membership of the professional tiers might be a bit different, but it could be done, and frankly I think Australian RL would be much better off for it in the long run. Unfortunately nobody in the RL establishment would ever accept such a system even if it could be conclusively proven that it's better for the health of the sport and league.

 

[Wb1234]

English soccer is canibalising the rest of the worlds leagues

all that money in England is supporting so many pro clubs

if Europe doesn’t form that super league fast (ignoring England) their days are numbered

 

[Wb1234]

Wow Paul Crawley reminds me of someone

 

[Canard]

Standalone clubs can be dysfunctional. Key word being "can". Merged entities are always dysfunctional. Key word being "always".

Based on what?

 

[flippikat]

Wow Paul Crawley reminds me of someone

Wait.. licences expire at the end of this year?

What's the NRL's plan for that, then?

 

[Diesel]

Wait.. licences expire at the end of this year?

What's the NRL's plan for that, then?

I think this last came up around 2017, they had 5 year licences or it’s been year on year for a few seasons. The nrl have a tv deal for 8 games a week, wherever those teams be, it doesn’t matter, but they nrl isn’t going to force a relocation for a number of reasons, or it would’ve happened by now. The 2024 NRL comp will look the same as this years one. This article is just getting clicks online or filling columns in a paper

 

[Perth Red]

Nrl has been trying to get clubs to accept a perpetual license since arlc was formed. Whilst is might seem to be in the clubs favour the Reality is the clubs only real power play when it comes to money negotiations is to threaten a break away comp. Perpetual license agreements take away that threat. Of course it does leave the nrl to not renew a clubs license but as theres zero chance of that happening clubs know they are better off not signing up for it.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

English soccer is canibalising the rest of the worlds leagues

all that money in England is supporting so many pro clubs

if Europe doesn’t form that super league fast (ignoring England) their days are numbered

Real Madid, Barcelona, Juventus, A.C. Milan, Bayern Munich - you've had your day.

The future belongs to Bournemouth and Brentford.

 

[Wb1234]

Real Madid, Barcelona, Juventus, A.C. Milan, Bayern Munich - you've had your day.

The future belongs to Bournemouth and Brentford.

Exactly imagine all those clubs in one league

thanks for that

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

Exactly imagine all those clubs in one league

thanks for that

They are - the Champions League.

Check out the budgets for the top clubs in Spain, Italy, Germany. Barca's average attendance last season was 83k. I think they'll continue to scrape by in La Liga.

 

[Wb1234]

They are - the Champions League.

Check out the budgets for the top clubs in Spain, Italy, Germany. Barca's average attendance last season was 83k. I think they'll continue to scrape by in La Liga.

Proper league is better rather than the champ league

why has this idea come up before

the only reason it failed last time was the English clubs copped a massive backlash for fans

when I was growing up people here would watch the Italian league as much as pl

now soccer fans only talk about pl

 

[Pippen94]

The Japanese football association's 100 year plan addresses those problems as much as it's humanly possible.

Football purists in Europe hate the Japanese football pyramid, but it's much more successful at promoting sustainable growth than either the traditional pyramid or any licensed/franchise system I've seen.
The growth soccer has experienced in Japan since the early 90s is insane and it's totally down to the 100 year plan, their pyramid system, and excellent administration. It's been so successful that other sports in Japan (RU for example) and other Asian football federations have been copying it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_association_football_league_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.League_100_Year_Plan_club_status#100_Year_Plan_status_(since_2014)
http://jsoccer.com/new/jfl

In theory there's no reason why the NRL couldn't create a similar system. The criteria for membership of the professional tiers might be a bit different, but it could be done, and frankly I think Australian RL would be much better off for it in the long run. Unfortunately nobody in the RL establishment would ever accept such a system even if it could be conclusively proven that it's better for the health of the sport and league.

12 teams from two cities (Tokyo & Osaka) and then six remaining teams.

 

[Pippen94]

English soccer is canibalising the rest of the worlds leagues

all that money in England is supporting so many pro clubs

if Europe doesn’t form that super league fast (ignoring England) their days are numbered

This was main reason why superleague was proposed.

 

[Pippen94]

Real Madid, Barcelona, Juventus, A.C. Milan, Bayern Munich - you've had your day.

The future belongs to Bournemouth and Brentford.

EPL has more viewers, sponsors & prestige. Newcastle was bought by Saudi's. That team not exactly barca or Milan, but those leagues have declined in past decade

 

[BuffaloRules]

Wow Paul Crawley reminds me of someone

There have one sided floggings forever in the game…even the article mentions that it’s the first time there have been three 50 point margins in one round … SINCE 2004 (which was shortly after they culled teams when the NRL started…)

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

This was main reason why superleague was proposed.

You're neglecting that Wb1234 posited a rival competition to EPL. The Euro SL idea had the top English clubs as essential inclusions.

 

[Pippen94]

You're neglecting that Wb1234 posited a rival competition to EPL. The Euro SL idea had the top English clubs as essential inclusions.

I'm not neglecting anything. Epl has surpassed other European leagues meaning clubs in Italy, Spain etc are less lucrative to sponsors which is biggest source of income.

Of course superleague with TV deal would mean more money to top english clubs too.

All clubs are businesses looking for money. (Actually money paid to players exceeds revenue of all top clubs which explains why English clubs chasing coin).

 

[Iamback]

Don’t agree

the tigers have no identity and a weak culture

they don’t have a proper home ground and they don’t know which area they represent

dragons aren’t as bad culturally but still trying to represent two areas with Cronulla in the middle and a dysfunctional board

knights and titans are regional clubs which tend to struggle against the cashed up city clubs

dogs has me stumped. From the 80s on they won regular comps until Hasler came along

maybe it’s a poor ceo but I’ll be shocked if Gus doesn’t get them to the top

Dogs board can be voted out every 2 years, So they take the short cut to stay in power

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

I'm not neglecting anything.

This is the part I think you are neglecting -

if Europe doesn’t form that super league fast (ignoring England) their days are numbered

I could be making the mistake of assuming that "ignoring England" means "ignoring England". It might be intended to mean "including top English clubs but ignoring virtually all the fans who support them".

Even that interpretation makes no sense since the opposition to a Euro SL came from fans of all the big clubs right across Europe.