18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

This is the part I think you are neglecting -

I could be making the mistake of assuming that "ignoring England" means "ignoring England". It might be intended to mean "including top English clubs but ignoring virtually all the fans who support them".

Even that interpretation makes no sense since the opposition to a Euro SL came from fans of all the big clubs right across Europe.

English soccer is he main beneficiary of the status quo.

pretty funny seeing English soccer pundits now complaining about the money on offer by the Saudi’s

Not just cricket where poms have double standard

 

[Pippen94]

This is the part I think you are neglecting -

I could be making the mistake of assuming that "ignoring England" means "ignoring England". It might be intended to mean "including top English clubs but ignoring virtually all the fans who support them".

Even that interpretation makes no sense since the opposition to a Euro SL came from fans of all the big clubs right across Europe.

He's right; EPL will just get bigger. Just look at last decade

 

[Perth Red]

Nothing to do with club 18 lol but depending how you measure it about half the top 20 richest soccer clubs in Europe are in EPL. Thats still half that are not and are in the other european leagues.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Based on what?

How long did Seagulls-Diehards, Brothers-Valleys and Northern Eagles last?

Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra Dragons have struggled for years due to infighting and no stability. The Dragons created a huge backlash when they suggested a name change.

 

[Wb1234]

Nothing to do with club 18 lol but depending how you measure it about half the top 20 richest soccer clubs in Europe are in EPL. Thats still half that are not and are in the other european leagues.

The concentration will get worse

like euro joined all those nations they should have one soccer comp with p and r between divisions

and I don’t understand why the two strong Scottish sides aren’t in the English pyramid like wales are

the only wildcard is the Saudi’s if they stop putting money into England and focus on their own league.

without the Russian oligarchs the pool of rich owners is much less

 

[Canard]

How long did Seagulls-Diehards, Brothers-Valleys and Northern Eagles last?

Wests Tigers and St George Illawarra Dragons have struggled for years due to infighting and no stability. The Dragons created a huge backlash when they suggested a name change.

Im sorry but you can't compare poorly resourced lower tier BRL sides to professional sports.

The current Dragons have been around for about a decade longer than the Illawarra Steelers entire existence. And have tasted premiership success more recently then the Broncos, Canterbury and Parramatta.

League fans, in particular, are infected with recency bias. This merged entities don't work is just a cop-out.

By the way for a good LOL look at the Dragons wiki page

 

[MugaB]

Im sorry but you can't compare poorly resourced lower tier BRL sides to professional sports.

The current Dragons have been around for about a decade longer than the Illawarra Steelers entire existence. And have tasted premiership success more recently then the Broncos, Canterbury and Parramatta.

League fans, in particular, are infected with recency bias. This merged entities don't work is just a cop-out.

By the way for a good LOL look at the Dragons wiki page

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Ive told you the dangers of replying to that gronk, he'll attempt to make you as dumb as him....
Btw the current St.merge has more premeirships than Illawarra steelers ever had too, and been in more GFs... but hey man need to move these sydney clubs away from Sydney... theres too many of them..
Doesn't seem to affect fumbleball all sitting there in one city...
Dragons have other issues, with hook gone they are rudderless, not having any coach can have a negative effect of the playing group, and they'll leak 50 coz they are done with this season, it has nothing to do with culture or mergers... Canterbury just leaked 60 too they aren't a merger club.. so i agree all that grotd has to say is BS

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Im sorry but you can't compare poorly resourced lower tier BRL sides to professional sports.

The current Dragons have been around for about a decade longer than the Illawarra Steelers entire existence. And have tasted premiership success more recently then the Broncos, Canterbury and Parramatta.

League fans, in particular, are infected with recency bias. This merged entities don't work is just a cop-out.

By the way for a good LOL look at the Dragons wiki page

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The biggest problem for the Dragons and Tigers is they're trying to cover regions that are cut off by the Sharks and Bulldogs. It makes it hard for fans to become ticketed season member over all 12 games and probably limits the amount of money they can make from corporate hospitality and sponsorship.

Both premierships came within eleven years of the clubs forming.

In the Dragons' case they were strong on the field throughout the period and won the big one when Bennett became their coach. The only reason he ended up at the Dragons is because Ben Ikin and Gordon Tallia convinced the Cowboys not to sign him due to his age. Since Bennett left the club has fallen away and never recovered.

Tigers got lucky in 2005. It turned out to be an aberration.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

He's right; EPL will just get bigger. Just look at last decade

Long way from certain.

Most of the foreign money is predicated on EPL being a route into Champions League. Similar to Qatari investment in Paris Saint-Germain. The maximum of 5 places for each league acts as a natural limit on how many mid-size EPL clubs are worth a punt. This wouldn't change with the mutation of CL into Euro SL.

European Soccer has strong competition between and within national leagues. Best of both worlds. The big Bundesliga clubs wouldn't even want middle-eastern lucre. They cherish a different model of ownership.

A fantasy RL scenario would see PNG become like an Asian tiger economy. Best course would be building up the Digicel Cup to grow commensurately with both the economy and improvements in social cohesion. Some players might move to NRL, but we would have another affluent thriving pro league to showcase the game.

Australian federal government funding for a Port Moresby NRL franchise will be as artificial as Saudi investment in Newcastle United. And probably more precarious since it depends on the goodwill of politicians in a democracy.

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

like euro joined all those nations they should have one soccer comp with p and r between divisions

That would defeat the object in spectacular fashion.

The backers of Euro SL no more want to risk relegating Barca from their comp than the NRL would the Broncos.

 

[flippikat]

Doesn't seem to affect fumbleball all sitting there in one city...

Uhh.. probably because they've made a point of expanding to ALL FIVE of the major metro markets (indeed, putting 2 teams in most - and a virtual derby in SE-Queensland), so that the revenue "pie" has been grown, and they can afford to subsidise financially under-performing teams in an over-saturated market like Melbourne.

 

[Wb1234]

Uhh.. probably because they've made a point of expanding to ALL FIVE of the major metro markets (indeed, putting 2 teams in most - and a virtual derby in SE-Queensland), so that the revenue "pie" has been grown, and they can afford to subsidise financially under-performing teams in an over-saturated market like Melbourne.

And yet generate 40 million less viewers with one extra team and nine extra games

maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to want to copy afl expansion

certainly the last two clubs have been massive failures and tasmania won’t be much better

the fate of the lions is precarious too with the ongoing growth of the nrl in Brisbane squeezing out other sports

 

[Wb1234]

That would defeat the object in spectacular fashion.

The backers of Euro SL no more want to risk relegating Barca from their comp than the NRL would the Broncos.

Like now the chances of the biggest clubs getting relegated is small

especially if the league is over 20 clubs

the increased money over the current situation would make those big clubs even bigger

 

[MugaB]

Uhh.. probably because they've made a point of expanding to ALL FIVE of the major metro markets (indeed, putting 2 teams in most - and a virtual derby in SE-Queensland), so that the revenue "pie" has been grown, and they can afford to subsidise financially under-performing teams in an over-saturated market like Melbourne.

Uhhhh.. where's afls New Zealand team? surely that covers perth as a metro market? Combine Newcastle, Townsville, and Canberra then those probably cover Adelaide as a market, and don't forget we stlll room to expand to those very markets too, afl have what? Tasmania, Darwin, triple up in those other cities again..
Don't think it matters that AFL has Perth and Adelaide, NRL has other areas that thrive on the support just as much, what they have in Perth we do the same in QLD

 

[Pippen94]

Long way from certain.

Most of the foreign money is predicated on EPL being a route into Champions League. Similar to Qatari investment in Paris Saint-Germain. The maximum of 5 places for each league acts as a natural limit on how many mid-size EPL clubs are worth a punt. This wouldn't change with the mutation of CL into Euro SL.

European Soccer has strong competition between and within national leagues. Best of both worlds. The big Bundesliga clubs wouldn't even want middle-eastern lucre. They cherish a different model of ownership.

A fantasy RL scenario would see PNG become like an Asian tiger economy. Best course would be building up the Digicel Cup to grow commensurately with both the economy and improvements in social cohesion. Some players might move to NRL, but we would have another affluent thriving pro league to showcase the game.

Australian federal government funding for a Port Moresby NRL franchise will be as artificial as Saudi investment in Newcastle United. And probably more precarious since it depends on the goodwill of politicians in a democracy.

Look at trend. Serie a was pinnacle of football when I was growing up, but now teams playing out of decaying stadiums

 

[Wb1234]

Look at trend. Serie a was pinnacle of football when I was growing up, but now teams playing out of decaying stadiums

Is that Italy ?

cause yeh and I remember staying up to go to Norton st to watch Italy in the wc final

Italian league was on par with pl in terms of fans here back then

 

[Pippen94]

Is that Italy ?

cause yeh and I remember staying up to go to Norton st to watch Italy in the wc final

Italian league was on par with pl in terms of fans here back then

It was between Spain & Italy for best domestic comp

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Uhhhh.. where's afls New Zealand team? surely that covers perth as a metro market? Combine Newcastle, Townsville, and Canberra then those probably cover Adelaide as a market, and don't forget we stlll room to expand to those very markets too, afl have what? Tasmania, Darwin, triple up in those other cities again..
Don't think it matters that AFL has Perth and Adelaide, NRL has other areas that thrive on the support just as much, what they have in Perth we do the same in QLD

Very good point... main population centres in Aus & NZ shows RL in a very dominant position without a 'dots on the map' strategy:

1. Sydney - RL dominant
2. Melbourne - AFL dominant
3. Brisbane - RL dominant
4. Perth - AFL dominant
5. Auckland - RL dominant over AFL (not the dominant sport)
6. Adelaide - AFL dominant
7. Gold Coast - RL dominant
8. Newcastle - RL dominant
9. Canberra - RL dominant
10 Sunshine Coast - RL dominant

The 5 capital city model for TV ratings is a dying way of measuring and will soon be out the window as soon as streaming becomes common place in the not too distant future. Streaming only cares about views no matter where they come from and the fact is that 53% of the population lives in NSW and QLD and we have a solid presence in NZ's most populous city also. Add to that the nation's capital and a nice little niche in Melbourne and we are doing just fine.

The better news? We won't flush millions down the toilet on expansion sides that no one wants and our expansion (that is only just really taking off) will also bring in huge revenue growth without the wasted expenses. We have Perth, SEQ 3 and PNG banging on the door to get in. Good times ahead.

 

[Perth Red]

Very good point... main population centres in Aus & NZ shows RL in a very dominant position without a 'dots on the map' strategy:

1. Sydney - RL dominant
2. Melbourne - AFL dominant
3. Brisbane - RL dominant
4. Perth - AFL dominant
5. Auckland - RL dominant over AFL (not the dominant sport)
6. Adelaide - AFL dominant
7. Gold Coast - RL dominant
8. Newcastle - RL dominant
9. Canberra - RL dominant
10 Sunshine Coast - RL dominant

The 5 capital city model for TV ratings is a dying way of measuring and will soon be out the window as soon as streaming becomes common place in the not too distant future. Streaming only cares about views no matter where they come from and the fact is that 53% of the population lives in NSW and QLD and we have a solid presence in NZ's most populous city also. Add to that the nation's capital and a nice little niche in Melbourne and we are doing just fine.

The better news? We won't flush millions down the toilet on expansion sides that no one wants and our expansion (that is only just really taking off) will also bring in huge revenue growth without the wasted expenses. We have Perth, SEQ 3 and PNG banging on the door to get in. Good times ahead.

There's a $300mill revenue gap with AFL (nearly $2billion in last decade difference), that will grow significantly over the next 5 years. Thats largely because we sht the bed in 1998 and abandoned the ARL's metro growth strategy and retreated back to two states with a smattering of interest elsewhere. Regions are nice to have but metro is where the money is.

NRL clubs are getting $17mil a year, thats only $9mil a year less than the AFL expansion teams that need propping up (which out of interest still manage to generate more football club revenue than most heartland NRL clubs). I'd take proper national expansion, an extra $40mill a year price tag on that and an extra $300mill a year revenue into the game wouldn't you?

 

[Wb1234]

There's a $300mill revenue gap with AFL (nearly $2billion in last decade difference), that will grow significantly over the next 5 years. Thats largely because we sht the bed in 1998 and abandoned the ARL's metro growth strategy and retreated back to two states with a smattering of interest elsewhere. Regions are nice to have but metro is where the money is.

NRL clubs are getting $17mil a year, thats only $9mil a year less than the AFL expansion teams that need propping up (which out of interest still manage to generate more football club revenue than most heartland NRL clubs). I'd take proper national expansion, an extra $40mill a year price tag on that and an extra $300mill a year revenue into the game wouldn't you?

Wow nrl clubs really are funded so much better than the fumblers and that’s before we discuss team sizes

where has the afl spent all that extra money it’s received over the last two decades ?

with the dolphins already bigger than the lions it really doesn’t look good for afl in qld