18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

No they havent
No there isnt (people are getting excited because of the increase in the new SkyNZ deal but that was all about competition from streaming, the Sky NZ deal has been pretty static up till now for many years)
No it wont. but adding another major capital city that is booming economically and is predicted to grow to over 3 million with another mining boom on the way, the strongest grass roots RL outside the traditional states and millionaire backers committed to the cause is why you'd go there over Union NZ cities that have none of those things.

The nrl clubs have expressed their preference for a second nz side as the 18th team

obviously a second nz side is more valuable overall for the nrl tv rights. Sky nz have literally just shown their apetite for rugby league

the thing is the nrl doesn’t need Perth or Adelaide. It’s already been shown in the fact the the nrl currently has the highest value tv deal in Australian sports and also that the game produces the highest tv ratings out of all Australian sports.

and if we’re talking about ability to produce players nz 2 is light years ahead of Perth

 

[The Great Dane]

No there isnt (people are getting excited because of the increase in the new SkyNZ deal but that was all about competition from streaming, the Sky NZ deal has been pretty static up till now for many years)

That's not why people are suggesting NZ will be next and you know it.

NZ is almost certainly going to be next because both the NRL's broadcast partners have been trying (successfully so far) to game the NRL into give them extra content as cheaply as possible (basically for free in the Dolphins case), and logically if another club is introduced in NZ that is going to be more valuable to NZ broadcasters.

However much more the NZ broadcasters pay for another NZ club that is money that the Australian broadcasters don't have to make up, meaning they get the extra content as cheap as possible, and since they (the broadcasters) are the ones that are really making the decision it makes sense that they'd be inclined to go that way if it is feasible.

The other reason is because when asked the first name on both V'Landy's and Abdo's lips was NZ, and given V'landy's and Abdo's history it makes sense that that is the way they'd be inclined to go.

It's pretty obvious at this point that NZ will be next so long as the business side makes sense. Now you may argue that that is a bad decision, and I'd agree with you, but the Dolphins were a bad decision made for poor reasons as well, so what are you going to do.

 

[ash the bash]

I think we want to be very cautious about the 18th team being a NZ team. Will give more thoughts later. However interesting article about Super rugby ratings.

Super Rugby TV ratings drop ahead of Blues-Crusaders showdown

1News has sourced figures from Nielsen TAM which show declining primetime (7pm/7.30pm games) TV viewership for the competition, with the early rounds of 2022 averaging around 100,000 viewers.

www.1news.co.nz

 

[MugaB]

I think we want to be very cautious about the 18th team being a NZ team. Will give more thoughts later. However interesting article about Super rugby ratings.

Super Rugby TV ratings drop ahead of Blues-Crusaders showdown

1News has sourced figures from Nielsen TAM which show declining primetime (7pm/7.30pm games) TV viewership for the competition, with the early rounds of 2022 averaging around 100,000 viewers.

www.1news.co.nz

Yeah buts coz RU is boring, if they had more closer rules to league theyd be kiling it, fact is league has better more fluid rules and RU will never budge, its easier to see whats happened in a league match for a casual veiwer, that it is for them to watch RU, then scratch their heads and give up...
The AFL have excellent attendances, and i fee its simply coz the game is SOOO basic... kick the ball to a mate in the same uniform, kick it thru the sticks to get points... seriously might as well not have a ref..
The issue with rugby is its known to NZ as their no.1 sport, the brovados will look down upon you if followed the warriors, and AFL was never going to make it there, just like league would never over throw NFL in the states, its what they are used to, its what they want above all else... its why Vdog and Abdo won't spend money on WA/SA till they can fully prop it up or relocate existing clubs to represent them... personally their should be 2 magic rounds a year one in Perth in round 6, one in Adelaide in round 20, so we see these cities really pack out with event style matches, remember the NRL doesnt need to make money from regular season rounds, it needs origin and finals strong, the clubs need game day match revenues, but as a bargaining chip the NRL will drop magic round in Brisbane, to gand it to both Perth and Adelaide, priming them for a welcomed return of their own teams red/rams

 

[mongoose]

Yeah buts coz RU is boring, if they had more closer rules to league theyd be kiling it, fact is league has better more fluid rules and RU will never budge, its easier to see whats happened in a league match for a casual veiwer, that it is for them to watch RU, then scratch their heads and give up...
The AFL have excellent attendances, and i fee its simply coz the game is SOOO basic... kick the ball to a mate in the same uniform, kick it thru the sticks to get points... seriously might as well not have a ref..
The issue with rugby is its known to NZ as their no.1 sport, the brovados will look down upon you if followed the warriors, and AFL was never going to make it there, just like league would never over throw NFL in the states, its what they are used to, its what they want above all else... its why Vdog and Abdo won't spend money on WA/SA till they can fully prop it up or relocate existing clubs to represent them... personally their should be 2 magic rounds a year one in Perth in round 6, one in Adelaide in round 20, so we see these cities really pack out with event style matches, remember the NRL doesnt need to make money from regular season rounds, it needs origin and finals strong, the clubs need game day match revenues, but as a bargaining chip the NRL will drop magic round in Brisbane, to gand it to both Perth and Adelaide, priming them for a welcomed return of their own teams red/rams

LOL i remember going to a Brisbane Lions game years ago with some people from work and one of them was a pommy who had never witnessed an AFL game in his life and 15 min in he said "so basically the aim of the game is to get the ball through the middle sticks by any means possible?" I was like "pretty much"

 

[Wb1234]

I think we want to be very cautious about the 18th team being a NZ team. Will give more thoughts later. However interesting article about Super rugby ratings.

Super Rugby TV ratings drop ahead of Blues-Crusaders showdown

1News has sourced figures from Nielsen TAM which show declining primetime (7pm/7.30pm games) TV viewership for the competition, with the early rounds of 2022 averaging around 100,000 viewers.

www.1news.co.nz

That’s the exact reason to expand there super rugby is failing badly. Union is weak. The nrl can make huge inroads.

 

[Foreign Legion]

Western Reds Rugby League Football Club (official)

Perth Reds for short.

Just like how Sydney Roosters do it.

 

[Perth Red]

That's not why people are suggesting NZ will be next and you know it.

NZ is almost certainly going to be next because both the NRL's broadcast partners have been trying (successfully so far) to game the NRL into give them extra content as cheaply as possible (basically for free in the Dolphins case), and logically if another club is introduced in NZ that is going to be more valuable to NZ broadcasters.

However much more the NZ broadcasters pay for another NZ club that is money that the Australian broadcasters don't have to make up, meaning they get the extra content as cheap as possible, and since they (the broadcasters) are the ones that are really making the decision it makes sense that they'd be inclined to go that way if it is feasible.

The other reason is because when asked the first name on both V'Landy's and Abdo's lips was NZ, and given V'landy's and Abdo's history it makes sense that that is the way they'd be inclined to go.

It's pretty obvious at this point that NZ will be next so long as the business side makes sense. Now you may argue that that is a bad decision, and I'd agree with you, but the Dolphins were a bad decision made for poor reasons as well, so what are you going to do.

Did you miss Vlandys last comments on the 18th club? nz certainly wasn’t the first thought he had.

sly nz upped their tv deal by $12.8mill only due to competitive tension after two deals of it being static. Can you really see them upping it again by $20mill plus just for another nz club? given the 17th club brought in no extra cash the ninth game has to bring in $30mill plus or else we’ve expanded at a net loss to the bottom line.

 

[The Great Dane]

Did you miss Vlandys last comments on the 18th club? nz certainly wasn’t the first thought he had.

I honestly couldn't care less about the quote you're going to cherry picked while ignoring all the others the two have made...

sly nz upped their tv deal by $12.8mill only due to competitive tension after two deals of it being static. Can you really see them upping it again by $20mill plus just for another nz club?

They don't need to pay $20mil for News and Nine to benefit.

Any amount that Sky pays, and the production costs on top of that, is money that News and Nine aren't expected to cover. In other words it doesn't matter to them if Sky covers $5mil (which is an extremely realistic increase for another NZ club) or the full $20-30mil plus, either way that's money News and Nine save and at the end of the day that's their first concern.

given the 17th club brought in no extra cash the ninth game has to bring in $30mill plus or else we’ve expanded at a net loss to the bottom line.

And why didn't the 17th club bring in any extra money? Because of manipulation by the broadcasters (specifically News)!

News and Nine couldn't give two shits if the NRL expands at a loss, in fact from their point of view that's a good thing because they get valuable extra content for free, which is exactly why they are pushing for NZ, because it's another way that they get extra content cheaply (or for free), and since they are the ones actually making the decisions at the moment that is likely the way the NRL will go unless NZ is totally unfeasible for whatever reason.

Now personally I wouldn't be surprised if NZ is a no go for commercial reasons, and at that point Perth will have a shot, but as things stand NZ is the way the wind is blowing.

 

[Perth Red]

I honestly couldn't care less about the quote you're going to cherry picked while ignoring all the others the two have made...

latest comments are always the most relevant.

March 22nd, Vlandys on the 18th club

“and if we can make the game national we’ll do so.”

“There’s a possibility of Perth or even New Zealand”

(https://www.foxsports.com.au/news/n...h/news-story/2c46fc1d57c32148cd56787da9712f8c)

 

[The Great Dane]

latest comments are always the most relevant.

March 22nd, Vlandys on the 18th club

“and if we can make the game national we’ll do so.”

“There’s a possibility of Perth or even New Zealand”

(https://www.foxsports.com.au/news/n...h/news-story/2c46fc1d57c32148cd56787da9712f8c)

Not necessarily, especially if he's playing politics.

Frankly you're just being wilfully ignorant at this point.

 

[Perth Red]

Hah

Not necessarily, especially if he's playing politics.

Frankly you're just being wilfully ignorant at this point.

I’ve been closely following this expansion carry on for 13 years, you think I haven’t seen bs after bs comments from the games leaders?

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

I think we want to be very cautious about the 18th team being a NZ team. Will give more thoughts later. However interesting article about Super rugby ratings.

Super Rugby TV ratings drop ahead of Blues-Crusaders showdown

1News has sourced figures from Nielsen TAM which show declining primetime (7pm/7.30pm games) TV viewership for the competition, with the early rounds of 2022 averaging around 100,000 viewers.

www.1news.co.nz

Although the Allblacks are and always will be huge the domestic super rugby comp is on a downward trajectory because of the lack of competitive Aussie based teams and no more South African teams.

Also super rugby NZ is becoming repetitive.

 

[flippikat]

Although the Allblacks are and always will be huge the domestic super rugby comp is on a downward trajectory because of the lack of competitive Aussie based teams and no more South African teams.

Also super rugby NZ is becoming repetitive.

Yeah, for all the complaints about the geographic spread of South African teams, at least 1 or 2 of them could be competitive against the NZ teams.

If Super Rugby want to break the dominance of NZ and make the competition more even, then they'd pressure NZ Rugby to change rules so that NZ players could sign for Aussie Super Rugby teams & still qualify for All Blacks selection.

BUT NZ Rugby is a stakeholder of Super Rugby.. so self-interest means they won't - even though it might generate more money for the competition as a whole.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

Yeah, for all the complaints about the geographic spread of South African teams, at least 1 or 2 of them could be competitive against the NZ teams.

If Super Rugby want to break the dominance of NZ and make the competition more even, then they'd pressure NZ Rugby to change rules so that NZ players could sign for Aussie Super Rugby teams & still qualify for All Blacks selection.

BUT NZ Rugby is a stakeholder of Super Rugby.. so self-interest means they won't - even though it might generate more money for the competition as a whole.

Which is good news for RL and why the NRL would be foolish in not trying to capitalise.

definitely an opening has appeared in NZ but the question remains will the NRL be brave enough to act?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That’s the exact reason to expand there super rugby is failing badly. Union is weak. The nrl can make huge inroads.

Onionball's growth in Europe is killing the game in Australia and New Zealand. Players can earn more in Britain and France. It's the perfect time for the NRL to strike and introduce a second NZ club. I'd even go one step further and have a second Magic Round in Auckland later on in the season to go with the one that's played in Brisbane in May. That way the teams who lost a home game in Magic Round Brisbane get to be the away team in Magic Round Auckland.

 

[Wb1234]

Although the Allblacks are and always will be huge the domestic super rugby comp is on a downward trajectory because of the lack of competitive Aussie based teams and no more South African teams.

Also super rugby NZ is becoming repetitive.

If the club scene stays weak then eventually that impacts the

Although the Allblacks are and always will be huge the domestic super rugby comp is on a downward trajectory because of the lack of competitive Aussie based teams and no more South African teams.

Also super rugby NZ is becoming repetitive.

Although the Allblacks are and always will be huge the domestic super rugby comp is on a downward trajectory because of the lack of competitive Aussie based teams and no more South African teams.

Also super rugby NZ is becoming repetitive.

If super rugby stays weak then it ultimately impacts the all blacks

this is the best time to add a second nrl side league can make massive inroads at club level. Indeed it could well surpass union at club level given how much of a basket case the Australian clubs are.

axing the sa clubs was the death knell for super rugby. Killing off the Japanese club wasn’t that smart either.

good to see though

 

[Wb1234]

Onionball's growth in Europe is killing the game in Australia and New Zealand. Players can earn more in Britain and France. It's the perfect time for the NRL to strike and introduce a second NZ club. I'd even go one step further and have a second Magic Round in Auckland later on in the season to go with the one that's played in Brisbane in May. That way the teams who lost a home game in Magic Round Brisbane get to be the away team in Magic Round Auckland.

Yeh the biggest irony is it’s the french union clubs paying stupid wages that is killing the sport in the pacific.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

If the club scene stays weak then eventually that impacts the


If super rugby stays weak then it ultimately impacts the all blacks

this is the best time to add a second nrl side league can make massive inroads at club level. Indeed it could well surpass union at club level given how much of a basket case the Australian clubs are.

axing the sa clubs was the death knell for super rugby. Killing off the Japanese club wasn’t that smart either.

good to see though

Who knows, maybe in the long run but the Allblacks will remain #1 in NZ for the foreseeable future.

Doesn’t mean that RL can’t capitalize and grow even more. Especially at grassroots level.

 

[Wb1234]

Who knows, maybe in the long run but the Allblacks will remain #1 in NZ for the foreseeable future.

Doesn’t mean that RL can’t capitalize and grow even more. Especially at grassroots level.

Even if it takes 50 years rugby league will be eating away at rugby union. Especially if the nrl salary cap keeps rising.

it’s only natural for nz rugby players to want to test themselves in the strongest rugby competition on the planet against the best players

look at the all blacks now and the calibre of players they face.