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18th club, whose next?

cumbrian Mackem

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Even if it takes 50 years rugby league will be eating away at rugby union. Especially if the nrl salary cap keeps rising.

it’s only natural for nz rugby players to want to test themselves in the strongest rugby competition on the planet against the best players

look at the all blacks now and the calibre of players they face.
It’s a juggling act for most domestic NZ Union players in that the much coveted Allblacks jersey literally comes at a price.

Do talented youngsters stay in NZ super rugby and forgo a huge payday in Europe or surrender the Allblacks jersey for serious coin?

Either way not everybody can fit into the starting 15 and that leaves a lot of players available for tapping up.
 
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Yeh the biggest irony is it’s the french union clubs paying stupid wages that is killing the sport in the pacific.
Onionball will never be number one in France, but it could kill the game in Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Samoa and Tonga. If we make rugby league the dominant sport across the Pacific then onionball will be short on talent and become even blander and less skilful than it is today, as those Western European countries can't play for shit.

If the FFR kills onionball in the Pacific then it will be karma biting the game on the arse for what it did to the FFRXII in the 1930s.
 

Wb1234

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Onionball will never be number one in France, but it could kill the game in Australia, New Zealand, Fiji, Samoa and Tonga. If we make rugby league the dominant sport across the Pacific then onionball will be short on talent and become even blander and less skilful than it is today, as those Western European countries can't play for shit.

If the FFR kills onionball in the Pacific then it will be karma biting the game on the arse for what it did to the FFRXII in the 1930s.
That last paragraph absolutely
 

cinders7

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It’s funny how history repeats.
The RFU split the game a century ago between the rich South and the talented North. The IRB are on track to do the same thing.

They know that the money is in Europe but the talent is in the Pacific. Losing four million fans in NZ means nothing if they elevate Italy or the USA.
 
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Precisely. It should never be forgotten how RU systematically pillaged RL in France in WW2 - with the actual assistance of Nazi collaborators, no less..
What the FFR and Vichy regime did to the FFRXIII in the 1930s is the most disgusting episode of corruption in the history of sport. The act is not even spoken about because the onionballers are in bed with the establishment.
 
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It’s funny how history repeats.
The RFU split the game a century ago between the rich South and the talented North. The IRB are on track to do the same thing.

They know that the money is in Europe but the talent is in the Pacific. Losing four million fans in NZ means nothing if they elevate Italy or the USA.
Losing the aura of the All Blacks will seriously hurt onionball. If people see New Zealand's best "rugby" players in the NRL and playing for the Kiwis then it will show which game is superior.
 

Wb1234

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Losing the aura of the All Blacks will seriously hurt onionball. If people see New Zealand's best "rugby" players in the NRL and playing for the Kiwis then it will show which game is superior.
Which is one reason why nz2 should come ahead of Perth.

The all blacks are the pinnacle of union. Undermine them and it’s just fatties from England and South Africa bumping into each other. The all blacks are the only decent thing in union

plus if it wasn’t to Albert Baskerville dieing early he was going back to nz to start up league clubs there like they did in Sydney. League would’ve taken over there too
 

xe_kilroy

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NZ already has a team (Warriors). There should be a WA-1 before a NZ-2 because the next opportunity for a license might be decades away.
 

MugaB

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NZ already has a team (Warriors). There should be a WA-1 before a NZ-2 because the next opportunity for a license might be decades away.
Doubtful, the way this admin is going we'll have another 4 within the this decade, they are willfully hellbent on expansion, which is great, im sure there is a plan in place for wa/sa down the road, if you remember from 1988-1998 we had 10 teams introduced, having 4 in a decade isnt much of an effort in comparison
 
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Which is one reason why nz2 should come ahead of Perth.

The all blacks are the pinnacle of union. Undermine them and it’s just fatties from England and South Africa bumping into each other. The all blacks are the only decent thing in union

plus if it wasn’t to Albert Baskerville dieing early he was going back to nz to start up league clubs there like they did in Sydney. League would’ve taken over there too
A second NZ team would definitely give disgruntled onionball fans in NZ a genuine reason to take a greater interest in rugby league. My preference is for a second North Island team that also represents South Island until NZ 3 is introduced.

I wouldn't be surprised if NZ 3 and Bris 3 become a reality within the next 15 to 20 years. Perth is definitely a chance of being the next team and would make a good addition. Adelaide is nothing more than a pipedream at this stage.
 

Wb1234

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A second NZ team would definitely give disgruntled onionball fans in NZ a genuine reason to take a greater interest in rugby league. My preference is for a second North Island team that also represents South Island until NZ 3 is introduced.

I wouldn't be surprised if NZ 3 and Bris 3 become a reality within the next 15 to 20 years. Perth is definitely a chance of being the next team and would make a good addition. Adelaide is nothing more than a pipedream at this stage.
Nah it’s got to be Christchurch, esp with the new stadium. With some games at Wellington and Dunedin

as much as I’d love to see it I can’t see nz supporting 3 sides unless (which I would love to see) union has totally capitulated

I get a feeling when they expand beyond 18 they will repeat what they did here which is go for the safe option of another Queensland team (probably western coridoor, or a joint cairns / png bid) then add Perth for the extra game

i agree about Adelaide. There are way better options available
 
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Nah it’s got to be Christchurch, esp with the new stadium. With some games at Wellington and Dunedin

as much as I’d love to see it I can’t see nz supporting 3 sides unless (which I would love to see) union has totally capitulated

I get a feeling when they expand beyond 18 they will repeat what they did here which is go for the safe option of another Queensland team (probably western coridoor, or a joint cairns / png bid) then add Perth for the extra game

i agree about Adelaide. There are way better options available
Easts Tigers have the money, catchment and prime location. I cannot see Cairns getting a team, especially one that represents PNG.

East Coast Firehawks and West Coast Pirates would be an interesting combination for teams 19 and 20. There would be a rivalry between the two from the start.
 

AdelaideSharky

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Yeah buts coz RU is boring, if they had more closer rules to league theyd be kiling it, fact is league has better more fluid rules and RU will never budge, its easier to see whats happened in a league match for a casual veiwer, that it is for them to watch RU, then scratch their heads and give up...
The AFL have excellent attendances, and i fee its simply coz the game is SOOO basic... kick the ball to a mate in the same uniform, kick it thru the sticks to get points... seriously might as well not have a ref..
The issue with rugby is its known to NZ as their no.1 sport, the brovados will look down upon you if followed the warriors, and AFL was never going to make it there, just like league would never over throw NFL in the states, its what they are used to, its what they want above all else... its why Vdog and Abdo won't spend money on WA/SA till they can fully prop it up or relocate existing clubs to represent them... personally their should be 2 magic rounds a year one in Perth in round 6, one in Adelaide in round 20, so we see these cities really pack out with event style matches, remember the NRL doesnt need to make money from regular season rounds, it needs origin and finals strong, the clubs need game day match revenues, but as a bargaining chip the NRL will drop magic round in Brisbane, to gand it to both Perth and Adelaide, priming them for a welcomed return of their own teams red/rams
RU can't change its rules as the IRB (World Rugby) is at the behest of the northern hemisphere countries who wank off over scrums and lineouts.

If they started listening to the southern hemisphere countries they probably would.
 

The Great Dane

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RU can't change its rules as the IRB (World Rugby) is at the behest of the northern hemisphere countries who wank off over scrums and lineouts.

If they started listening to the southern hemisphere countries they probably would.
The thing about that is that the Southern Hemisphere unions are only beholden to World Rugby because they allow themselves to be.
 

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If rl really cared about nz the. ARLC wouldn’t have slashed nzrl funding and we’d see the kiwis playing at least 5 test matches at home EVERY year.

adding a version of west tigers to nz trying to attract fans from different cities won’t change the union landscape there one jot. It’s like saying if SL had more clubs in southern England it would damage EPL or if NRL had teams in perth and Adelaide and another team in melbourne ot would damage AFL. Cuckoo thinking!
 
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If rl really cared about nz the. ARLC wouldn’t have slashed nzrl funding and we’d see the kiwis playing at least 5 test matches at home EVERY year.

adding a version of west tigers to nz trying to attract fans from different cities won’t change the union landscape there one jot. It’s like saying if SL had more clubs in southern England it would damage EPL or if NRL had teams in perth and Adelaide and another team in melbourne ot would damage AFL. Cuckoo thinking!
A second NZ team will provide more opportunities for talented youth from NZ to earn a living without moving abroad. At the moment the NRL's salary cap is around par with the French and English onionball competitions. If Super Onionball continue to decline to the point it pays its players peanuts and a discount on leather patch suit jackets, then kids from NZ may very well choose RL over the chance of playing for the All Blacks.
 

Perth Red

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A second NZ team will provide more opportunities for talented youth from NZ to earn a living without moving abroad. At the moment the NRL's salary cap is around par with the French and English onionball competitions. If Super Onionball continue to decline to the point it pays its players peanuts and a discount on leather patch suit jackets, then kids from NZ may very well choose RL over the chance of playing for the All Blacks.
Whilst that may be so will it really mean the top talent chooses league over union? No of course not, until playing in the nrl or for the kiwis becomes more prestigious than playing for the all blacks it won’t make an iota of difference. If earnings where the key driver the current 17 options to play in the nrl would be enough opportunity and the warriors would be so awash with talent they’d be sat at the top of the table every season.

why did RTS leave the nrl to join union?
 

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