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18th club, whose next?

Canard

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Why does old mate keep repeating the lies that $600M lie?

And that PNG has a population of 17M?

If I was a cynic, I'd say it because he wouldn't know if his arse was on fire and to stupid to do even the most basic of research.
 

mongoose

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We shouldn’t go to certain places because they are a risk (they like fumbleball) but we should definitely go to an impoverished dangerous country like PNG because it is a safe bet.

Seriously, it is like some people don’t understand basic economics. Or they have never travelled anywhere.
A lot of people just don't objectively weigh up pros and cons of potential choices. They make decisions on emotion or to support some personal belief they hold about the world that usually isn't true.
 

Colk

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A lot of people just don't objectively weigh up pros and cons of potential choices. They make decisions on emotion or to support some personal belief they hold about the world that usually isn't true.

Agreed.

Look PNG has its pros - player development being the most obvious one. Nevertheless there are two pretty big cons: one being that the game is now linking itself with a geopolitical decision which it shouldn’t and the second being that it is not particularly a stable financial choice.
 
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The Brisbane Tigers are targeting Wayne Bennett to coach a proposed 18th NRL franchise and be rugby league’s powerful weapon in the fight against an AFL invasion in the river city’s western corridor.

The NRL’s expansion drive is heating up with Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese last week revealing his masterplan for a Papua New Guinea team that could be worth $600 million to the sport.

But the Tigers believe they can be NRL-ready before a government financed PNG franchise, as soon as 2026, and have warned the ARL Commission of the looming AFL threat in Brisbane’s western corridor.

Bennett is off-contract at the Dolphins at the end of next season and Tigers bosses confirmed they are keen to secure the supercoach to cement rugby league’s dominance in Ipswich and Toowoomba.

Bennett has a long history with Brisbane’s western corridor – he hails from Allora between Warwick and Toowoomba – and the Tigers believe the 73-year-old is the perfect man to spearhead fresh NRL expansion.

“We are absolutely interested in Wayne,” Brisbane Tigers bid chief Shane Richardson said.

“He is a legend of the game. He knows more about the game than 90 per cent people working in the NRL, so at the end of the day, Wayne would be a no-brainer for coaching us if we were the 18th team.

“Whether he is prepared to move to Port Moresby is another question.

“Wayne understands what’s needed and he understands pathways.

“Wayne would be the first one to say he understands the importance of pathways, but PNG just hasn’t got the right pathways in place at this stage.

“He has done a great job with the Dolphins, not only with coaching their first grade side, but setting up everything underneath.

“People have to understand the Tigers are a genuine rugby league club across the board.

“We have under-7s right through to the Queensland Cup where we are premiers.

“The Broncos and Titans don’t have that reach as a football club, but we have it and Wayne Bennett would be able to build things around it.

“Just as importantly, Wayne has the gravitas, he brings sponsors and he would get government support as well.

“At the moment, we don’t have a franchise, so there’s no point approaching Wayne yet. But if we can get a franchise, Wayne is certainly an option.

“He is a powerful figure and above all, still a wonderful coach. So we’d certainly love to have him involved.”

Richardson lauded the expansionary vision of ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys and insists Queensland has the population to sustain a fifth NRL club by 2027.

But he is adamant the 18th licence must ‘Go West’ – not overseas to Papua New Guinea – to combat an AFL takeover.

“The AFL aren’t stupid. Brisbane’s western corridor is the fastest-growing area in Australia,” Richardson said.

“Logistically, I think it’s very difficult to have Papua New Guinea operational by 2027. We could be ready for the NRL in 2026.

“There’s no doubt the western corridor is the most neglected area in rugby league and it’s opening the door for the AFL to take over.

“If the NRL did a strategic plan, they would find there is no doubt the western corridor requires an NRL team and the Brisbane Tigers can service that region, we already have a presence there.

“The AFL are infiltrating that area as we speak. They know it’s the heartland of working-class sport in Brisbane.

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“We are shovel-ready now, but there are various expansion options on the table for the NRL and we can be a part of further growth for them.

“There’s more than 21,000 participants in the area between Logan, Ipswich and Toowoomba.

“That region has created some of the greatest players in history in rugby league and they are flat out putting teams on the field to be competitive at a time when the AFL is making inroads.

“The NRL need as much assistance as possible and the Brisbane Tigers have the funds and strategy to provide it.”
21k players in Logan, Ipswich and Toowoomba.

4k players in Western Australia.

Lang Park is world's best rugby league stadium.

Perth Rectangular Stadium is a shithole.

Tigers have $135m of assets.

Pirates are worth $0.

Brisbane Tigers will generate TV FTA ratings of 120k+ in Brisbane.

Pirates will be lucky to generate one-sixth of that in Perth.
 
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Why are qlders so scared of AFL? It's nothing in Qld.

Lions (48k) draw better ratings in Brisbane than AwFuL games in Perth (45k) that don't feature Eagles or Dockers. AwFuL games in Brisbane (30k) not featuring Lions or Suns only draw 15k fewer.

20k registered fumbleball players in Queensland.

Rugby league has just 4k registered players in WA. Yet apparently that's great and a reason to expand into Perth.
 

Wb1234

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21k players in Logan, Ipswich and Toowoomba.

4k players in Western Australia.

Lang Park is world's best rugby league stadium.

Perth Rectangular Stadium is a shithole.

Tigers have $135m of assets.

Pirates are worth $0.

Brisbane Tigers will generate TV FTA ratings of 120k+ in Brisbane.

Pirates will be lucky to generate one-sixth of that in Perth.
Perth has no metric it has that beats brisbane easts
 

mongoose

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21k players in Logan, Ipswich and Toowoomba.

4k players in Western Australia.

Lang Park is world's best rugby league stadium.

Perth Rectangular Stadium is a shithole.

Tigers have $135m of assets.

Pirates are worth $0.

Brisbane Tigers will generate TV FTA ratings of 120k+ in Brisbane.

Pirates will be lucky to generate one-sixth of that in Perth.
yeah but a Perth team will still generate decent ratings in Brisbane and much better ratings in Perth than a non-Perth team. Perth will also bring new eyeballs to the game. Brisbane Tigers are not bringing any new eyeballs to the game.
 

Colk

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Yeh sure buddy

I was investing In Lihir 20 years ago

the bs I’ve read about png is hilarious

anyone that thinks 600 million won’t make a powerhouse isn’t thinking critically

try again

Nowhere has it been stated that the $600 million is all for this prospective team so you can stop peddling that ‘fact’

Secondly, this is government money that is dependent on a) bipartisan support and b) no change in the political climate. Nobody seems to be considering the effects of a change of government, a change in government policy, even external factors like China giving PNG and the Islands more than what we can offer, a full on war or even an improvement in the relations between us and China. These are all possibilities.

This is the opposite of a safe bet and all you are seeing is the dollar bills for the game rather than the potential pitfalls of being linked with such a governmental decision.

Also, the little snide remark about fumbleball and Perth in your earlier post - I’m just in favour of good decisions. A second Kiwi side or a Perth side are both much better options than this when everything is weighed up.
 
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Perth has no metric it has that beats brisbane easts

The poor TV ratings in Perth for the Eagles and Dockers is a real concern. Everyone knows fumbleball is the biggest game in Perth by a country mile. If the mighty Eagles can only generate 70-98k viewers then the Pirates will struggle to get 15-20k. Meanwhile, we've got the Broncos getting 170k, Cowboys and Titans getting 130k and Dolphins getting 126k in Brisbane.


Perth Red will tell us to ignore this very important metric, despite ranting last year that the game needs teams in Adelaide and Perth to boost the broadcast rights.
 

mongoose

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Agreed.

Look PNG has its pros - player development being the most obvious one. Nevertheless there are two pretty big cons: one being that the game is now linking itself with a geopolitical decision which it shouldn’t and the second being that it is not particularly a stable financial choice.
PNG gdp per capita = $2500 (usd)

Australia gdp per capita = $60,000 (usd)

that says it right there
 

Iamback

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Ownership is the big thing. Will it be owned by the Feds? The NRL? No one running the club will have their skin in the joint. They'll just be spending some else's money with no repercussions.

The NRL knows it is very risky, Not sure they allow a government to own any side.

Maybe PNGRL? I still think this was just an off season article put out there
 

Colk

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Lions (48k) draw better ratings in Brisbane than AwFuL games in Perth (45k) that don't feature Eagles or Dockers. AwFuL games in Brisbane (30k) not featuring Lions or Suns only draw 15k fewer.

20k registered fumbleball players in Queensland.

Rugby league has just 4k registered players in WA. Yet apparently that's great and a reason to expand into Perth.

Do you even know what you’re arguing? Honest question.
 

Iamback

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Agreed.

Look PNG has its pros - player development being the most obvious one. Nevertheless there are two pretty big cons: one being that the game is now linking itself with a geopolitical decision which it shouldn’t and the second being that it is not particularly a stable financial choice.

Any bid has more cons then pros to be fair.

Particularly as team 18 looks almost certain to be a new area.
 

Canard

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The poor TV ratings in Perth for the Eagles and Dockers is a real concern. Everyone knows fumbleball is the biggest game in Perth by a country mile. If the mighty Eagles can only generate 70-98k viewers then the Pirates will struggle to get 15-20k. Meanwhile, we've got the Broncos getting 170k, Cowboys and Titans getting 130k and Dolphins getting 126k in Brisbane.


Perth Red will tell us to ignore this very important metric, despite ranting last year that the game needs teams in Adelaide and Perth to boost the broadcast rights.
You didn't just cherry pick a tiny data set, and ignore any extenuating circumstances, just to reinforce your extreme bias?

Surely not.
 

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