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18th club, whose next?

mongoose

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If anyone actually listened to that interview from Andrew Hill it sounds like the PNG bid is a long way from being ready. It's looking more likely that it will be team 19 or 20. Yes I know Perth and NZ2 don't really have bids setup but they could put something together a lot quicker than PNG.
 

Centy Coast

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Attracting the established stars will be challenging without concessions. personally if I was setting the club up I’d go to SL and try and sign the best 5 established English SL stars, the best 5 u20 English players to reserve grade and 3 or 4 ex nrl players over there who can still offer something in nrl. Then try and build a competent squad from other nrl players and invest heavily in WA development and partner with a nsw cup or qrl cup club, or both, so in 5 years or so we have jnrs coming through committed to the club

On a single year minimum deal?

I have no doubt give them a 3-4 year deal on decent money some would go.

Dolphins showed how hard it is to fill out a squad. Cows, Warriors even Canberra have very few if any single year recruits

As I said, You aren't going to sell your house on a one year deal. Stuff like that particularly with school aged kids.
A lot of the players I know either have no children or if they do have a child the child is a newborn, easy to move.
Perth is cheap, away from the line light and has fantastic beaches, many players who come from beachside suburbs would easy adapt to the move, as for leaving family behind, well they are NRL players so they don’t really have time to visit anyways and they aren’t short of $$$ to either fly themselves or family across.
 

Canard

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A lot of the players I know either have no children or if they do have a child the child is a newborn, easy to move.
Perth is cheap, away from the line light and has fantastic beaches, many players who come from beachside suburbs would easy adapt to the move, as for leaving family behind, well they are NRL players so they don’t really have time to visit anyways and they aren’t short of $$$ to either fly themselves or family across.
If only there was an example other professional athletes living in Perth playing in competitions that require travel to the east coast regularly.
 

Iamback

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A lot of the players I know either have no children or if they do have a child the child is a newborn, easy to move.
Perth is cheap, away from the line light and has fantastic beaches, many players who come from beachside suburbs would easy adapt to the move, as for leaving family behind, well they are NRL players so they don’t really have time to visit anyways and they aren’t short of $$$ to either fly themselves or family across.

You mentioned reasons to take longer deals, my reply was in regards to shorter deals.

particularly those players with kids in schools, That are paying off houses and so on.

These are the those who are needed to fill out squads
 
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Literally every single thing you claim is a problem for Perth, is also a problem for other teams or other bids, but for some reason you don't believe that they are a problem because then it doesn't suit your argument.

This is complete bullshit.

Let's compare Brisbane Tigers with the West Coast Pirates.

Tigers have $135m in assets, a high performance training centre, the world's premier rugby league stadium, gaming machine revenue, Ch9's support and the world's most parochial rugby league market to tap into for juniors, sponsors and corporate backing.

Perth has a pawnbroker who sponsored the financially destitute Reds. That's it. No high performance training centre. An below average stadium with terrible corporate facilities. Just 4.1k players in WA. A local media that hates rugby league and won't give it the time of because RL is a minority sport in the market. A consortium bidding for an AwFuL licence with the backing of Joondalup's mayor. Just 8k FTA viewers from Perth tuned in to watch NRL last year. Only 5k PTV viewers from Perth watch NRL. The broadcasters aren't interested in a Perth team.

Broncos and Dolphins are the two largest and richest rugby league clubs in the world. Cowboys generated more revenue from football operations than every club bar the Broncos in 2022.

That's what Perth is up against.
 

Canard

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This is getting to be a bit repetitive.

But why would any new expansion team (regardless of their location) be compared to the Broncos, and be deemed sub-standard if they didn't hit that benchmark? Wouldn't they be best compared against the rest of the competition?

https://www.couriermail.com.au/subs...rs, who have a,sound teams in the competition.

The Tigers, who have a profitable leagues club at Coorparoo, have declared they have cash reserves of $25 million, total assets of $57.4 million and equity of $52.4 million which would make them one of the most financially sound teams in the competition.

It should also be clear that a Leagues Club is not a Footy club, and vice-versa, and has been shown by many a precedent in Sydney, the link between the two can fracture quite quickly.

It should also be note that if having a big and profitable Leagues club is considered the main reason to have a team in the NRL, than a number of Leagues clubs in Queensland can fit that criteria.
 
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mongoose

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This is complete bullshit.

Let's compare Brisbane Tigers with the West Coast Pirates.

Tigers have $135m in assets, a high performance training centre, the world's premier rugby league stadium, gaming machine revenue, Ch9's support and the world's most parochial rugby league market to tap into for juniors, sponsors and corporate backing.

Perth has a pawnbroker who sponsored the financially destitute Reds. That's it. No high performance training centre. An below average stadium with terrible corporate facilities. Just 4.1k players in WA. A local media that hates rugby league and won't give it the time of because RL is a minority sport in the market. A consortium bidding for an AwFuL licence with the backing of Joondalup's mayor. Just 8k FTA viewers from Perth tuned in to watch NRL last year. Only 5k PTV viewers from Perth watch NRL. The broadcasters aren't interested in a Perth team.

Broncos and Dolphins are the two largest and richest rugby league clubs in the world. Cowboys generated more revenue from football operations than every club bar the Broncos in 2022.

That's what Perth is up against.
Perth is a new market that won't cannibalise existing clubs.
 

Wb1234

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This is complete bullshit.

Let's compare Brisbane Tigers with the West Coast Pirates.

Tigers have $135m in assets, a high performance training centre, the world's premier rugby league stadium, gaming machine revenue, Ch9's support and the world's most parochial rugby league market to tap into for juniors, sponsors and corporate backing.

Perth has a pawnbroker who sponsored the financially destitute Reds. That's it. No high performance training centre. An below average stadium with terrible corporate facilities. Just 4.1k players in WA. A local media that hates rugby league and won't give it the time of because RL is a minority sport in the market. A consortium bidding for an AwFuL licence with the backing of Joondalup's mayor. Just 8k FTA viewers from Perth tuned in to watch NRL last year. Only 5k PTV viewers from Perth watch NRL. The broadcasters aren't interested in a Perth team.

Broncos and Dolphins are the two largest and richest rugby league clubs in the world. Cowboys generated more revenue from football operations than every club bar the Broncos in 2022.

That's what Perth is up against.
Let’s ignore all those points for Brisbane tigers

and admit Perth

the reason …..

um
Can’t think of one but becsuse the dieing a league and super rugby did it (and failed)
 

Iamback

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If only there was an example other professional athletes living in Perth playing in competitions that require travel to the east coast regularly.

you know there is this thing called google that gives you information, The number of guys to move across is actually lower then you think it is
 

Titanic

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The fact PNGRFL is investing in its junior pathways, coaching and referee systems places it ahead of NZ2 and Perth.
True but in fairness PNG hasn't been very efficient. They have had a fully funded Coaching Director since the early 80's starting with Ivan Ravu then a long list of successors plus a fair amount of support from the ARL and going back even further to the Rothmans' days.

Q. What is the saturation point of the NRL competition?

If the answer is a finite figure like 20 let's say, then surely the debate is more about how to distribute the game rather than purely expansion with the ogre of relocation returning, just saying.
 

Wb1234

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True but in fairness PNG hasn't been very efficient. They have had a fully funded Coaching Director since the early 80's starting with Ivan Ravu then a long list of successors plus a fair amount of support from the ARL and going back even further to the Rothmans' days.

Q. What is the saturation point of the NRL competition?

If the answer is a finite figure like 20 let's say, then surely the debate is more about how to distribute the game rather than purely expansion with the ogre of relocation returning, just saying.
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Iamback

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True but in fairness PNG hasn't been very efficient. They have had a fully funded Coaching Director since the early 80's starting with Ivan Ravu then a long list of successors plus a fair amount of support from the ARL and going back even further to the Rothmans' days.

Q. What is the saturation point of the NRL competition?

If the answer is a finite figure like 20 let's say, then surely the debate is more about how to distribute the game rather than purely expansion with the ogre of relocation returning, just saying.

Not sure of the system used before but Matt Cameron's process has been successful previously.

Having individual coaches for each region in that region means you can get more guys than you could before.

The issue with it in PNG will be having enough people with the skills to teach those who will coach the kids.

Having an ex professional coach in charge of it should help as communication is key for a coach
 

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