18th club, whose next?

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Perhaps? Like I said, it’s all long, long in the past and it would have been better had Norths either not been given the boot or the merger being forced to continue existing in some form. Just some form of plan for the region and a bit of thought for the future would have avoided the rot we see now. We can only deal with what we have now, Norths aren’t coming back, Manly or any of the other 8 Sydney teams aren’t going to be giving up their licence for Norths to re-enter and there are big markets that need teams outside of Sydney.

North Sydney were a poorly supported club and deserved to be punted. Manly need to represent the Central Coast and Northern Beaches.

We need more rationalisation in oversaturated areas. Southern Sydney cannot support two clubs with just 500k people and Wests and Canterbury will continue to be also-rans until one of them goes.

Central coast will end up with a team one day. The population will just keep growing till the nrl can’t deny them

that’s how they will get back the north shore

i really can’t ever see many people from that area supporting manly

Will never happen. Only hope is for Manly to split games between Brookvale and Central Coast Stadium. If it brings more money into the club and creates new fans then that's a good thing.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

By chance how many Brisbane Lions , Queensland Reds and Brisbane Roar games do you attend or would you attend each year.

Zero.

 

[Wb1234]

North Sydney were a poorly supported club and deserved to be punted. Manly need to represent the Central Coast and Northern Beaches.

We need more rationalisation in oversaturated areas. Southern Sydney cannot support two clubs with just 500k people and Wests and Canterbury will continue to be also-rans until one of them goes.

Will never happen. Only hope is for Manly to split games between Brookvale and Central Coast Stadium. If it brings more money into the club and creates new fans then that's a good thing.

I’m guessing you didn’t watch south’s vs manly at Gosford a few weeks ago where there were more south’s than manly fans there

manly burned their bridges on the central coast forever tbh

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I’m guessing you didn’t watch south’s vs manly at Gosford a few weeks ago where there were more south’s than manly fans there

manly burned their bridges on the central coast forever tbh

With the right promotion it can be turned around. A name change and giving a local club a stake in the Sea Eagles would be a good start. Not going to happen, but if it did then there's no reason kids wouldn't get on board.

 

[Perth Red]

I’m saying south’s don’t need a leagues clubs cause they are the most successful Australian rl club

something Perth will never be

tbf south’s juniors pays for all their junior development

edit south’s juniors is a leagues club

They were also the most successful club (on the field) when they were skint.
Like melbourne They are a good example that if you work hard to build your membership and corporate support you don’t need to inflict pokie misery on the community. No reason perth can’t do the same.

 

[Wb1234]

They were also the most successful club (on the field) when they were skint.
Like melbourne They are a good example that if you work hard to build your membership and corporate support you don’t need to inflict pokie misery on the community. No reason perth can’t do the same.

Melbourne had news ltd pumping in ten million pa for a decade

let’s see how stable they are financially when they aren’t making the finals every year

that’s the real test

 

[Perth Red]

Melbourne had news ltd pumping in ten million pa for a decade

let’s see how stable they are financially when they aren’t making the finals every year

that’s the real test

Ifs and buts

 

[Wb1234]

Ifs and buts

Ifs and buts
how manly expansion clubs are sustainable without a leagues club or a rich backer ?

Perth are going to need a rich backer from the start. Unless the arlc starts giving expansion clubs extra financial support.

 

[bad boy bubby]

I think the ARLC should help initially with financial help.
In saying that, I mean this way.
I think it would be better to choose a team sooner than later, but get them playing in NSW Cup first. Obviously I'm really only talking of either a WA or NZ team here, to me the only realistic options at this stage.

Give them the next few years playing in the reserves, giving local players, coaches, staff, a window of opportunity to build a foundation. Then when the next TV/Stream contracts are up with the NRL they will have that extra team ready and waiting to go, plus whichever locality it is will be getting hyped about it.
I add in here that they can also add in seasoned players towards a squad that they are building.

The funding I suggest from the ARLC would be in player payments, travel costs, accomodation etc, so the business behind the new club can solely work on having it ready to role, and build itself up without the worry of financing something directly outright which wont be bringing them in much cash.
Either way they will need some good private investors in show before any of this could happen.

 

[Perth Red]

Ifs and buts
how manly expansion clubs are sustainable without a leagues club or a rich backer ?

Perth are going to need a rich backer from the start. Unless the arlc starts giving expansion clubs extra financial support.

Yes it is undoubtedly the biggest challenge on expanding the nrl under the current nrl thinking. if the nrl wants to get serious about growing the game beyond brisbane then reality is a new club isnt going to have pokies to top up their revenue So is likely to need some support. There’s not a lot of twiggy forests out there so even if you've got millionaire backers there’s only so much they can put in.
it’s not like we are talking afl level money here where they are putting in $10-15mill a year above base grant to their expansion teams, it probably only needs $2-3mill a year tops.

having said that if a new club can hit the ground running, get 20k members, a 15k crowd avg and a full sponsorship portfolio then in theory they should be ok.

 

[Perth Red]

I think the ARLC should help initially with financial help.
In saying that, I mean this way.
I think it would be better to choose a team sooner than later, but get them playing in NSW Cup first. Obviously I'm really only talking of either a WA or NZ team here, to me the only realistic options at this stage.

Give them the next few years playing in the reserves, giving local players, coaches, staff, a window of opportunity to build a foundation. Then when the next TV/Stream contracts are up with the NRL they will have that extra team ready and waiting to go, plus whichever locality it is will be getting hyped about it.
I add in here that they can also add in seasoned players towards a squad that they are building.

The funding I suggest from the ARLC would be in player payments, travel costs, accomodation etc, so the business behind the new club can solely work on having it ready to role, and build itself up without the worry of financing something directly outright which wont be bringing them in much cash.
Either way they will need some good private investors in show before any of this could happen.

Totally agree, bring them in to second tier at least 3 years before nrl entry and fund them properly from day one so they can build the clubs infrastructure, build brand presence, kick start proper memberships, form corporate partnerships, start to build the squad with talented youngsters etc.

 

[MugaB]

I think the ARLC should help initially with financial help.
In saying that, I mean this way.
I think it would be better to choose a team sooner than later, but get them playing in NSW Cup first. Obviously I'm really only talking of either a WA or NZ team here, to me the only realistic options at this stage.

Give them the next few years playing in the reserves, giving local players, coaches, staff, a window of opportunity to build a foundation. Then when the next TV/Stream contracts are up with the NRL they will have that extra team ready and waiting to go, plus whichever locality it is will be getting hyped about it.
I add in here that they can also add in seasoned players towards a squad that they are building.

The funding I suggest from the ARLC would be in player payments, travel costs, accomodation etc, so the business behind the new club can solely work on having it ready to role, and build itself up without the worry of financing something directly outright which wont be bringing them in much cash.
Either way they will need some good private investors in show before any of this could happen.

This is whats happening with silktails at a lower level, aswell as the hunters in the qrl, this has to happen for perth, Adelaide and even nz2

 

[marshall stalin]

Melbourne had news ltd pumping in ten million pa for a decade

let’s see how stable they are financially when they aren’t making the finals every year

that’s the real test

Storm have only missed the finals 3 times in their 23 years and one of those was self inflicted-2010 -2001 and 2002 the other years.

Be interesting to see how they go when Bellamy retires though- this is his 20th year as Head Coach.

Melbourne Storm - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Perth Red]

This is whats happening with silktails at a lower level, aswell as the hunters in the qrl, this has to happen for perth, Adelaide and even nz2

Whose funding the silktails? hunters are funded by Australian govt.

 

[bad boy bubby]

Totally agree, bring them in to second tier at least 3 years before nrl entry and fund them properly from day one so they can build the clubs infrastructure, build brand presence, kick start proper memberships, form corporate partnerships, start to build the squad with talented youngsters etc.

All sounds too easy, doesn't it?? Haha.
I just looked, currently there are 6 x WA juniors contracted to NRL clubs, plus one of Sharks coaches, Daniel Holdsworth.
That's without representation from WA for the last 25 years. I'm pretty sure that Victoria haven't produced that many over the lifetime of the Storm.

 

[Perth Red]

Also on funding it will be interesting to see what happens with club grants. Last year they had gone up to $16.3million to cover covid losses.
If they will return to the pre covid $13mill a year or if they will stay at this high cost plays a big part on sustainability of new clubs as well.
Also the players agreement is up this year so we could see changes in salary cap Effecting club costs as well.

 

[bad boy bubby]

This is whats happening with silktails at a lower level, aswell as the hunters in the qrl, this has to happen for perth, Adelaide and even nz2

Yeah, the Sharks were the first to bring the Silktails into it. Covid hit and somehow they ended up being aligned with the Roosters instead.

 

[Perth Red]

All sounds too easy, doesn't it?? Haha.
I just looked, currently there are 6 x WA juniors contracted to NRL clubs, plus one of Sharks coaches, Daniel Holdsworth.
That's without representation from WA for the last 25 years. I'm pretty sure that Victoria haven't produced that many over the lifetime of the Storm.

There’s quite a few in qlnd and nsw cup teams as well. We do ok considering the nrlwa consists of 4 staff and 4 development officers!
i think we’ve got about 4 female jnrs as well in nrlw.

 

[bad boy bubby]

There’s quite a few in qlnd and nsw cup teams as well. We do ok considering the nrlwa consists of 4 staff and 4 development officers!
i think we’ve got about 4 female jnrs as well in nrlw.

I'm impressed. Is there a list somewhere of the reserve grade and female players?

 

[marshall stalin]

I’m guessing you didn’t watch south’s vs manly at Gosford a few weeks ago where there were more south’s than manly fans there

manly burned their bridges on the central coast forever tbh

Sydney Roosters have a long term agreement with the Central Coast - Central Coast Roosters.

Field Junior Rep teams under Central Coast Roosters in Harold Matthews Cup/ Andrew Johns Cup/Laurie Daley Cup / Women's and Men's Country Championships sides plus a NSW Women's Premiership side.

Players from those sides have pathways to SG Ball/Jersey Flegg/Tarsha Gale Cup with the Sydney Roosters Plus NSW Cup (North Sydney Bears -Roosters feeder club) and then NRL and NRLW with the Sydney Roosters.

People talking through their hat suggesting Manly or whoever link with the Central Coast.