18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

yes I know, how much it will go back down to will the interesting thing, especially with the new tv deal period, I'm sure clubs are lobbying for it to increase, especially if the cap goes up next year. They'll have seethe NRL's surplus and all want a piece of it.

re Lions, not many AFL clubs get the base grant, there's lots who get more than baseline but that is their system based on revenue. For the most part it works well, if you can get the rich clubs to agree! Any club making a surplus isn't a basketcase.

Doesn’t mean the lions aren’t a basket case

I see the higher gap between the grant and the cal staying as it is and the increase in the salary cap to be fully funded by the arlc.

this cost the arlc around 32 million pa which they can easily afford

nrl isn’t going to allow clubs finances to go backwards. That’s their biggest achievement they don’t need to make profits of 100 mill pa

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yes I know, how much it will go back down to will the interesting thing, especially with the new tv deal period, I'm sure clubs are lobbying for it to increase, especially if the cap goes up next year. They'll have seethe NRL's surplus and all want a piece of it.

re Lions, not many AFL clubs get the base grant, there's lots who get more than baseline but that is their system based on revenue. For the most part it works well, if you can get the rich clubs to agree! Any club making a surplus isn't a basketcase.

Are the Lions making a surplus?

If they are then why does AwFuL give them extra money?

 

[Perth Red]

They make 5 million from their leagues club

imagine they had to fund their club on the average afl grant of 15 million instead of the 23 million they get

and they have been around for 30 years and win 3 straight grand finals

why aren’t they established yet ?

you could ask the same of clubs like St Kilda who get the same grant amount as Lions and have been around a lot longer. Some clubs can make more money than others and the AFL are wise enough to understand this and have put in place a grant system accordingly.

Are the Lions making a surplus?

If they are then why does AwFuL give them extra money?

A chunk of the extra grant goes to the development work Lions do in Brisbane, community progams and womens team etc. Its AFL investing in expansion through the club. 2020 they made a $3mill surplus on a reduced AFL grant of $15.4million.

 

[Wb1234]

Are the Lions making a surplus?

If they are then why does AwFuL give them extra money?

Clubs like the lions gws suns are a big reason why the afl is losing money now

so much for their expansion being a success

 

[Wb1234]

you could ask the same of clubs like St Kilda who get the same grant amount as Lions and have been around a lot longer. Some clubs can make more money than others and the AFL are wise enough to understand this and have put in place a grant system accordingly.


A chunk of the extra grant goes to the development work Lions do in Brisbane, community progams and womens team etc. Its AFL investing in expansion through the club.

Afl is running a communist system to the max

it’s taxing the successful clubs to pay for the failing clubs

this is why the nrl is adding clubs who are financially sustainable

 

[Perth Red]

Clubs like the lions gws suns are a big reason why the afl is losing money now

so much for their expansion being a success

Its also part of the reason their revenue dwarves ours.

 

[Perth Red]

Afl is running a communist system to the max

it’s taxing the successful clubs to pay for the failing clubs

this is why the nrl is adding clubs who are financially sustainable

and we let our poorer clubs struggle along whilst the rich just keep on winning. Hmmmm.

 

[Wb1234]

Its also part of the reason their revenue dwarves ours.

It’s not. If it wasn’t for the super league war league would dwarf afl today like it did in 95

once we go to 20 that will be the situation again no matter where afl goes

 

[Perth Red]

It’s not. If it wasn’t for the super league war league would dwarf afl today like it did in 95

once we go to 20 that will be the situation again no matter where afl goes

Ifs and buts again. Pre covid the 2019 revenue gap was $266million!!

 

[Wb1234]

Ifs and buts again. Pre covid the 2019 revenue gap was nearly $300million!!

And now they are losing 50 million pa after they cut funding to clubs and players by 40 million

maybe they can get a loan from the arlc

 

[Perth Red]

And now they are losing 50 million pa after they cut funding to clubs and players by 40 million

maybe they can get a loan from the arlc

When you've got years of high revenue and surpluses and you know you've got a massive pay day coming in '23 & '24 you can afford to run a deficit for a year or two.
In the three years leading up to covid they had $112million in surpluses.
We did a great job making a surplus in '21 of that there is no doubt, but their world is hardly financially caving in lol.
Their massive revenue gap is what allows them to invest over $100mill a year in expansion, whilst we expect expansion to be bankrolled by the club itself.

 

[Wb1234]

When you've got years of high revenue and surpluses and you know you've got a massive pay day coming in '23 & '24 you can afford to run a deficit for a year or two.
In the three years leading up to covid they had $112million in surpluses.
We did a great job making a surplus in '21 of that there is no doubt but there world is hardly financially caving in lol.

Even with the added tv money they will still probably just break even whilst the nrl is looking at a surplus of 100 million before they raise funding to clubs again

it’s good to see the afl drawing down loans to pay for failing clubs. It gives me joy

 

[Perth Red]

Even with the added tv money they will still probably just break even whilst the nrl is looking at a surplus of 100 million before they raise funding to clubs again

it’s good to see the afl drawing down loans to pay for failing clubs. It gives me joy

How do you figure that? the year pre covid they made a $27.8mill surplus on a $418mill tv deal. Allegedly that media revenue goes up to $473mill in '23. Unless they are planning a big spend on something their revenue is likely to be a fair chunk higher than 2019.

We got a surplus that included an extra SOO series in '21. Take that out and it drops to around $25mill. Revenue increases come from the next tv deal which is set to raise around an extra $12mill cash at most plus the end of the covid reduced Fox/Ch9 amount of around $20mill. There may be an increase in betting license income but not seen any announcements to that effect.

Expense wise the NRL will be paying extra grant for the Dolphins and increased travel and accommodation for their inclusion around $14million (pre any grant increase) and savings of $32mill they had to spend on covid action during '21. Grassroots funding in '21 was still around $25mill less than pre covid so you'd hope that gets put back or even increased.

So if all things stay the same we could be looking at a surplus of around $50mill by my back of a cig packet workings out! That would be on par with the surplus we made in 2018.

 

[Wb1234]

How do you figure that? the year pre covid they made a $27.8mill surplus on a $418mill tv deal. Allegedly that media revenue goes up to $473mill in '23. Unless they are planning a big spend on something their revenue is likely to be a fair chunk higher than 2019.

We got a surplus that included an extra SOO series in '21. Take that out and it drops to around $25mill. Revenue increases come from the next tv deal which is set to raise around an extra $12mill cash at most plus the end of the covid reduced Fox/Ch9 amount of around $20mill. There may be an increase in betting license income but not seen any announcements to that effect.

Expense wise the NRL will be paying extra grant for the Dolphins and increased travel and accommodation for their inclusion around $14million (pre any grant increase) and savings of $32mill they had to spend on covid action during '21. Grassroots funding in '21 was still around $25mill less than pre covid so you'd hope that gets put back or even increased.

So if all things stay the same we could be looking at a surplus of around $50mill by my back of a cig packet workings out! That would be on par with the surplus we made in 2018.

Nrl had 30 million in covid expenses last year plus a similar number from reduced ticket sales to origins grand final and finals.

and as I’ve said many times this is after the arlc spent an extra 40 million pa on clubs and 7 million a year to players this year.

afl hasn’t even started to get spending to clubs back to pre covid levels

covid was a time when codes needed to sort themselves out financially. And because afl got left behind gill got pushed to the gold course

Gill admitted himself by having the gf in Perth they actually made an extra 20 million pa they normally wouldn’t make so the situation is actually way worse

 

[Perth Red]

I'll leave the afl discussion as it belongs elsewhere but my predictions, and they are crystal ball gazing as there could be a lot happening we dont know about in terms of future club grants, betting revenue, how much of skynz deal is cash etc. Has us around the $50mill surplus mark for '23 which would be an outstanding result and the highest surplus we have ever made. That's assuming spending returns roughly to 2019 levels in all areas and the cost savings made during covid continue.

Certainly more than enough to begin seriously investing in expansion at grass roots and top tier levels.

 

[Perth Red]

The alternative is everything returns to as was in 2019 when the NRL made a $30mill surplus. Add in $12mill increase from tv deal and take out $14mill 17th club cost and the surplus would sit closer to around $27mill. Not shoddy at all but a sign the tv deal we are locked in to for the next 5 years hasnt done us many favours.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Clubs like the lions gws suns are a big reason why the afl is losing money now

so much for their expansion being a success

I just saw the figures for AwFuL on Fox Sports.

Without the extra funding from AwFuL, the Brisbane Lions would have lost $35.2m over the last decade.

LOL@AwFuL

Funding of AFL clubs revealed in massive $100m gap from rich and poor

AFL team funding broken down as $100m gap exposed

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Wb1234]

I just saw the figures for AwFuL on Fox Sports.

Without the extra funding from AwFuL, the Brisbane Lions would have lost $35.2m over the last decade.

LOL@AwFuL

Funding of AFL clubs revealed in massive $100m gap from rich and poor

AFL team funding broken down as $100m gap exposed

www.foxsports.com.au

This is the code which claims to have a national competition

they’ve been in Queensland almost 40 years and with all the help they’ve given their clubs they are still basket cases

the dolphins are really going to put a dent into the afls finances

 

[Wb1234]

I'll leave the afl discussion as it belongs elsewhere but my predictions, and they are crystal ball gazing as there could be a lot happening we dont know about in terms of future club grants, betting revenue, how much of skynz deal is cash etc. Has us around the $50mill surplus mark for '23 which would be an outstanding result and the highest surplus we have ever made. That's assuming spending returns roughly to 2019 levels in all areas and the cost savings made during covid continue.

Certainly more than enough to begin seriously investing in expansion at grass roots and top tier levels.

Nrl revenue will be through the roof this year based on an origin in Perth and one at anz. Maybe an extra 80k in gates at 150 to 300 a ticket.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

This is the code which claims to have a national competition

they’ve been in Queensland almost 40 years and with all the help they’ve given their clubs they are still basket cases

the dolphins are really going to put a dent into the afls finances

Imagine how f**ked the Lions would be if we introduce the Firehawks within the next 5 to 10 years!

Dolphins are based over 40km away from Lions, which means they're not competing against them at all. Lions will still be the largest professional sports club on the southside of Brisbane, commanding strong sponsorship deals with signage that will be plastered all around Woolloongabba and Springwood. You won't see any Dolphins signage in these suburbs.

Add the Firehawks and put a Leagues Club in Springwood and all of a sudden the Lions become invisible, with Firehawks signage and their commercial partners displayed all over Coorparoo, Stones Corner and Springwood. People driving down Logan Road and Rochedale Road will be met with Firehawks signage instead of seeing Lions crap.

I know PR will be against the idea, but if it forces AwFuL to increase the amount they waste on Lions due to less money coming in from sponsors then that's less money they have to spend on development.