18th club, whose next?

[Perth Red]

I'm impressed. Is there a list somewhere of the reserve grade and female players?

No sadly,I can’t find one. I’ve seen it mentioned there are 20-30 wa jnrs across second tier, nrl first grade and nrlw But can’t see a list anywhere.

people may not know but at the height of RL here in the early 90’s we had 10k registered players! Maybe an nrl club can help drive our current 4000 back up to that level?

in nrl and nrlw there are

nrl
Waqa Blake - Eels
kurt de Louis - manly
royce hunt - cronulla
Jordan pereira - brisbane
Jackson topine - dogs

SL
Shane Wright - Salford
Adam Quinlan - HKR (retired with injury last year)

we also had these who players at first grade who then went to union
curtis Rona - panthers
Chance peni - tigers

Nrlw
kennedy cherryington
Anneka Taia stephens
Shanice parker

 

[marshall stalin]

North Sydney were a poorly supported club and deserved to be punted. Manly need to represent the Central Coast and Northern Beaches.

We need more rationalisation in oversaturated areas. Southern Sydney cannot support two clubs with just 500k people and Wests and Canterbury will continue to be also-rans until one of them goes.

Will never happen. Only hope is for Manly to split games between Brookvale and Central Coast Stadium. If it brings more money into the club and creates new fans then that's a good thing.

Norths had good support and if it wasn't for super league and the delay in the build of the new stadium on the Central Coast then they would still be in the NRL.

Why would Wests Tigers be going - The Macarthur area is one of the fastest growing areas in NSW and their junior numbers will outstrip Penrith

Brisbane Lions have more members than the Brisbane Bronco's - Brisbane population is what 2.5 million or so - Bronco's should have 100k plus members but they don't - 34k or so -Lions 41k

Your arguments about population equating to sufficient support for a team doesn't add up.

Bronco's being the only game in town should pack out Suncorp every home game but they don't.

Sydney Roosters have a long term agreement with the Central Coast - they play under Central Coast Roosters- Harold Matthews Cup/Andrew Johns and Laurie Daley Cups/Women's and Men's country championships/ NSW Women's Premiership -pathways after that to various Roosters Junior and Senior rep sides and NRL and NRLW.

The NRL Grant to clubs is around 10 million as well.

 

[bad boy bubby]

No sadly,I can’t find one. I’ve seen it mentioned there are 20-30 wa jnrs across second tier, nrl first grade and nrlw But can’t see a list anywhere.

people may not know but at the height of RL here in the early 90’s we had 10k registered players! Maybe an nrl club can help drive our current 4000 back up to that level?

in nrl and nrlw there are

nrl
Waqa Blake - Eels
kurt de Louis - manly
royce hunt - cronulla
Jordan pereira - brisbane
Jackson topine - dogs

SL
Shane Wright - Salford
Adam Quinlan - HKR (retired with injury last year)

we also had these who players at first grade who then went to union
curtis Rona - panthers
Chance peni - tigers

Nrlw
kennedy cherryington
Anneka Taia stephens
Shanice parker

I knew there were shitloads of registered players, but that's only because I lived there 92-93.
It's no coincidence between the Reds, which were planned to come in a few years later, and why there were so many juniors, and seniors, playing.
Hopefully that will happen again.

 

[Colk]

Well if the peak style traffic jam after the end of Swans game on Saturday crossing the harbour is any indication - might be a decent number

That’s complete conjecture.

You don’t know anything of these people other than that they may have watched the Swans game.

For some of them it might be their first game, some of them might not be from Sydney , some they might follow multiple sports, whilst others might not follow league at all

As I said in an earlier post, people have massive exposure and accessibility to the game in North Sydney, so they have probably made their decision and won’t ever follow the game or they already follow a side

 

[Colk]

Most NRL clubs dont want their professional players split and playing on sub standard venues

Qld Cup wont change to be national, but could do with Darwin and Perth added

While everyone wants NSW Cup grow to be teams like Norths, Newtown, Mounties, Blacktown join NSW country regions like Riverina, Western, Central Coast, Coffs, New England and Adelaide

But the only way to make all of these Tier 2 clubs even - is remove NRL players 19-36 from all teams and put them all on a Tier 2 grant / salary cap

Otherwise NRL clubs who have almost ALL of the money will overide all plans put forward

They already do to some respects. Anyway Coffs Harbour stadium, Mudgee, Lavington Sports Ground for example aren’t much worse than Leichhardt, Henson Park or Belmore

Canberra had a similar arrangement with Mounties prior to bring pressured to have their own RG side, Queensland clubs and Melbourne have these existing arrangements - did it or does it hurt them?

I disagree to some extent. Make it top 25. The others can be placed on a Tier 2 contract. The other benefit of this arrangement is you giving areas skin in the actual game that can’t possibly run a side in the premier competition.

 

[flippikat]

Best thing for manly would to have their main rival back. Look what parra & Penrith do each time they play.

Best thing for Manly would be to take control over a larger area than the enclave they currently represent.

Either that or go back to NSW Cup and make way for a club that WILL cover all points north of the bridge.

I know this needs restructuring that only the NSWRL can enforce, BUT doesn't make it any less necessary.

 

[Wb1234]

I think the ARLC should help initially with financial help.
In saying that, I mean this way.
I think it would be better to choose a team sooner than later, but get them playing in NSW Cup first. Obviously I'm really only talking of either a WA or NZ team here, to me the only realistic options at this stage.

Give them the next few years playing in the reserves, giving local players, coaches, staff, a window of opportunity to build a foundation. Then when the next TV/Stream contracts are up with the NRL they will have that extra team ready and waiting to go, plus whichever locality it is will be getting hyped about it.
I add in here that they can also add in seasoned players towards a squad that they are building.

The funding I suggest from the ARLC would be in player payments, travel costs, accomodation etc, so the business behind the new club can solely work on having it ready to role, and build itself up without the worry of financing something directly outright which wont be bringing them in much cash.
Either way they will need some good private investors in show before any of this could happen.

That’s a great idea. I think all travel and hotel costs are covered by the nrl

 

[bad boy bubby]

That’s a great idea. I think all travel and hotel costs are covered by the nrl

For first grade, yes.
This would be a new case of covering those costs for a reserve grade side, all which would be part of their future investment for that teams pathway into firsts.

 

[Wb1234]

Yes it is undoubtedly the biggest challenge on expanding the nrl under the current nrl thinking. if the nrl wants to get serious about growing the game beyond brisbane then reality is a new club isnt going to have pokies to top up their revenue So is likely to need some support. There’s not a lot of twiggy forests out there so even if you've got millionaire backers there’s only so much they can put in.
it’s not like we are talking afl level money here where they are putting in $10-15mill a year above base grant to their expansion teams, it probably only needs $2-3mill a year tops.

having said that if a new club can hit the ground running, get 20k members, a 15k crowd avg and a full sponsorship portfolio then in theory they should be ok.

I’d like to see regional clubs get an extra 1 million pa and clubs like storm warriors Perth get 2 to 3 million

it wouldn’t cost a lot like the afl funding model does but would make a huge difference to the expansion clubs

a closer competition is better for all

they still have the same cap just more revenue

from what I read the warriors don’t spend the full cap each year

 

[bad boy bubby]

I’d like to see regional clubs get an extra 1 million pa and clubs like storm warriors Perth get 2 to 3 million

it wouldn’t cost a lot like the afl funding model does but would make a huge difference to the expansion clubs

a closer competition is better for all

they still have the same cap just more revenue

from what I read the warriors don’t spend the full cap each year

I feel that model would only be accepted by the other clubs if that money was solely directed into junior development, and proven to do so.
That goes into a whole different debate as to whether the clubs should be running their juniors or the NRL.

 

[Wb1234]

I feel that model would only be accepted by the other clubs if that money was solely directed into junior development, and proven to do so.
That goes into a whole different debate as to whether the clubs should be running their juniors or the NRL.

Clubs should

and the nrl should offer bigger salary cap exemptions to clubs who do rather than the current ones which are a joke

 

[bad boy bubby]

Clubs should

and the nrl should offer bigger salary cap exemptions to clubs who do rather than the current ones which are a joke

I agree, but like I said, that's a whole different debate. I can see it getting very skewed away from the topic of an 18th team if continued.

 

[MugaB]

I agree, but like I said, that's a whole different debate. I can see it getting very skewed away from the topic of an 18th team if continued.

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..Cough

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Norths had good support and if it wasn't for super league and the delay in the build of the new stadium on the Central Coast then they would still be in the NRL.

Why would Wests Tigers be going - The Macarthur area is one of the fastest growing areas in NSW and their junior numbers will outstrip Penrith

Brisbane Lions have more members than the Brisbane Bronco's - Brisbane population is what 2.5 million or so - Bronco's should have 100k plus members but they don't - 34k or so -Lions 41k

Your arguments about population equating to sufficient support for a team doesn't add up.

Bronco's being the only game in town should pack out Suncorp every home game but they don't.

Sydney Roosters have a long term agreement with the Central Coast - they play under Central Coast Roosters- Harold Matthews Cup/Andrew Johns and Laurie Daley Cups/Women's and Men's country championships/ NSW Women's Premiership -pathways after that to various Roosters Junior and Senior rep sides and NRL and NRLW.

The NRL Grant to clubs is around 10 million as well.

North Sydney drew terrible crowds over their history. I think their best season saw them average just 15k.

I don't trust any figure AwFuL posts. If they had 41k paying members then they wouldn't be a financial basketcase, would they?

I was born and raised in Brisbane. I hate the Broncos. Plenty of RL fans up here can't stand them.
The annual grant is more like $13m as it's 130% of salary cap, which is somewhere between $9m and $10m.

News Ltd were always going to punt North
Sydney.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No sadly,I can’t find one. I’ve seen it mentioned there are 20-30 wa jnrs across second tier, nrl first grade and nrlw But can’t see a list anywhere.

people may not know but at the height of RL here in the early 90’s we had 10k registered players! Maybe an nrl club can help drive our current 4000 back up to that level?

in nrl and nrlw there are

nrl
Waqa Blake - Eels
kurt de Louis - manly
royce hunt - cronulla
Jordan pereira - brisbane
Jackson topine - dogs

SL
Shane Wright - Salford
Adam Quinlan - HKR (retired with injury last year)

we also had these who players at first grade who then went to union
curtis Rona - panthers
Chance peni - tigers

Nrlw
kennedy cherryington
Anneka Taia stephens
Shanice parker

Shane Wright was born in WA but was raised in regional Queensland.

Best thing for Manly would be to take control over a larger area than the enclave they currently represent.

Either that or go back to NSW Cup and make way for a club that WILL cover all points north of the bridge.

I know this needs restructuring that only the NSWRL can enforce, BUT doesn't make it any less necessary.

If Manly refuse to embrace all of Northern Beaches and Central Coast then they cannot complain about people wanting to move them on. They're now surrounded by Roosters on the North Shore and Central Coast, so the writing is on the wall. If the club folds within 20 years then it will be due to them not embracing adjacent cities over the past 20 years, which was the perfect time for them to build support outside of their enclave.

 

[Perth Red]

North Sydney drew terrible crowds over their history. I think their best season saw them average just 15k.

I don't trust any figure AwFuL posts. If they had 41k paying members then they wouldn't be a financial basketcase, would they?

I was born and raised in Brisbane. I hate the Broncos. Plenty of RL fans up here can't stand them.
The annual grant is more like $13m as it's 130% of salary cap, which is somewhere between $9m and $10m.

News Ltd were always going to punt North
Sydney.

The NRL club grant last year was $16.3million!
Are Lions a financial basketcase? According to the accounts I posted previously they made a surplus last year, all be it on the back of a large club grant from AFL.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The NRL club grant last year was $16.3million!
Are Lions a financial basketcase? According to the accounts I posted previously they made a surplus last year, all be it on the back of a large club grant from AFL.

Clubs were given an additional payment due to COVID-19 to bring it up to $16.3m.

If the Lions require an additional grant from AwFuL then they're not making enough money on their own to compete with other clubs. That's the definition of a financial basketcase. Especially with them raking in $5m a year from Lions@Springwood Social Club and its 100 pokies. There must be lots of gamblers in Lions@Springwood spinning the pokies considering membership is a one-off payment of $1. Leagues Clubs charge $1 per year.

 

[Perth Red]

I feel that model would only be accepted by the other clubs if that money was solely directed into junior development, and proven to do so.
That goes into a whole different debate as to whether the clubs should be running their juniors or the NRL.

No problem with that ring fencing, but Id also have a marketing and game day allowance so a new club can invest in getting people to games and earning enough coin to survive.

 

[Perth Red]

Clubs were given an additional payment due to COVID-19 to bring it up to $16.3m.

If the Lions require an additional grant from AwFuL then they're not making enough money on their own to compete with other clubs. That's the definition of a financial basketcase. Especially with them raking in $5m a year from Lions@Springwood Social Club and its 100 pokies. There must be lots of gamblers in Lions@Springwood spinning the pokies considering membership is a one-off payment of $1. Leagues Clubs charge $1 per year.

yes I know, how much it will go back down to will the interesting thing, especially with the new tv deal period, I'm sure clubs are lobbying for it to increase, especially if the cap goes up next year. They'll have seethe NRL's surplus and all want a piece of it.

re Lions, not many AFL clubs get the base grant, there's lots who get more than baseline but that is their system based on revenue. For the most part it works well, if you can get the rich clubs to agree! Any club making a surplus isn't a basketcase.

 

[Wb1234]

The NRL club grant last year was $16.3million!
Are Lions a financial basketcase? According to the accounts I posted previously they made a surplus last year, all be it on the back of a large club grant from AFL.

They make 5 million from their leagues club

imagine they had to fund their club on the average afl grant of 15 million instead of the 23 million they get

and they have been around for 30 years and win 3 straight grand finals

why aren’t they established yet ?