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18th club, whose next?

Maximus

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Do you have evidence it is just $10m?

Numerous articles have listed it as $50m:

A new Queensland team armed with a $50 million bank guarantee will officially be invited to join the NRL in time for it to begin competing for player signatures from November 1.​

Yes in fact if you just scrolled down a little bit further on your very first link, it would tell you the answer.

The new club will be required to have a $10 million bank guarantee per annum over the next five years to prove it is sustainable, with no additional handouts from head office.

So it's $10m per annum over 5 years, but just in case you don't know what a bank guarantee is and how it works, you get the money back when it expires if the favouree doesn't make a claim on it, so the $10m bank guarantee is just the same $10m every year. The only reason it would ever be more than $10m is if the favouree has to claim on it, because then the club would have to make up the difference the following year.
 

Canard

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How do the Roar or Reds do playing exclusively out of Suncorp?

But most importantly Dolphins have never said they were 100% Brisbane team
If the Dolphins aren't Bri2 then they shouldn't have been admitted. We all know that they are Bri2 though.

More expensive to rent 52k capacity Suncorp for origin than 83k accor
That article is 12 years old. But even then I'm not suprised, Homebush is a white elephant and needs to play tenant's to use it.

I'm still not buying that a club with all $50M in assets (some claim $150M) can afford Suncorp.

Other then the odd one off, no new NRL club should ever be allowed to play in a 10k venue.

It's f**king embarrassing that Perth and Port Moresby have bigger stadiums then Redcliffe.
 

Perth Red

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Do you have evidence it is just $10m?

Numerous articles have listed it as $50m:

A new Queensland team armed with a $50 million bank guarantee will officially be invited to join the NRL in time for it to begin competing for player signatures from November 1.​
As the NRL confirmed an expansion would take place from 2023, the game’s finances were also on the agenda, with the new club required to have a $50 million bank guarantee to carry it over the next five years without handouts from head office.​
They will not be required to pay a licence fee.​
Armed with a $50 million bank guarantee and the likelihood NRL coaching icon Wayne Bennett would lead the team, the Dolphins won every category assessed by the Australian Rugby League Commission's bid team and they had next to no time to do set up​
Did you even read the articles you posted? Lol
From the smh one:

The new club will be required to have a $10 million bank guarantee per annum over the next five years to prove it is sustainable, with no additional handouts from head office.
 

The Great Dane

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You bragged about the Bombers being backed by wealthy investors who have a foot in the local RL community:

I mean they've got solid money behind them (or at least they did prior to covid), they seem to have successful businessmen behind them, and they've already got strong connections in the footy community, and the money to get good footy minds behind them.

Weren't the businessmen you were talking about powerbrokers who held a position with the Broncos Thoroughbreds in the 1990s?

If so then they were as local as it gets.



So it's okay for Adelaide and Perth to have financially weak clubs that lack fans, but Brisbane 2 needed to be a carbon copy of the Broncos?

Do you know how obnoxious and stupid you sound with these double standards?

You try to come across as an intellectual, but it's obvious you've got a massive chip on your shoulder against the status quo and argue for the sake of it.



You're entitled to be a hypocrite and have a stupid opinion, but don't pretend it's a "fact". What you think should happen isn't a fact. It's just your opinion. The ARLC's refusal to embrace your opinion doesn't mean they're incompetent.



The club did make a huge mistake not playing all of its games at Lang Park.

It was dumb holding games at a venue that has a capacity of 11.5k. However, ghose games were sold out and the club drew an average of 32k fans to the 7 or 8 they played at Lang Park. The only reason you're including the games at Dolphin Ovalis because you cannot bear to admit that the Dolphins were able to draw an average attendance of 32k at Lang Park.

The Dolphins' attendances at Lang Park were just 4-5k below the Broncos'.

Reasonable people would acknowledge that the Dolphins' attendances at Lang Paek aren't far behind the Broncos'.




How many did you predict they would get at Lang Park?



I didn't abandon the club. I have health issues and commitments that make it very difficult to attend NRL games.



Why are you comparing the Dolphins with the Titans?

One club is a started from scratch with a neutral brand in a regional city. The other is a traditional BRL club from the world's second largest rugby league city.



You praised them for having a neutral brand and support from the businessmen associated with the Broncos Thoroughbreds.

I found this gem from Sept 22 2020:

The AFL alienated a huge portion of the potential fan base for the second Adelaide club when they announced it would be Port Adelaide instead of a neutral club.​
The NRL can't afford to do that in Brisbane, mainly because it's f**king stupid to knowingly alienate so many potential customers, but also because none of the QRL clubs have demonstrable support large enough to support an NRL club.
At the end of the day it really comes down to whether you want a small suburban club or a club with mass appeal. Why you'd want a suburban club that struggles to make ends meet IDK, but that is the question.

The Dolphins drew an average of 32k fans to Lang Park over 7 or 8 games. That suggests their fanbase is more than big enough to make ends meet. Just accept you are wrong. Everyone can see it but you.
Mate I can't be bothered reading all this BS. Especially not when the first thing you do is attempt to twist something I said years ago into stating something that it clearly doesn't say.

Saying the Bombers backers had good business acumen (are you denying that BTW?) isn't even close to claiming any new team must be owned by local businessmen, or whatever nonsense it is that you're trying to put in my mouth. Nor was is it an endorsement of their bid, and it's beyond a stretch to claim I was 'bragging' about it.

The Dolphins have made significant mistakes that will come back to bite them on the arse given time. Shit their behind is already taking a good chewing because of the insane decision to commit to playing games out of two shitbox stadiums with 10k capacities, and the absolute shitshow that is their branding has already caused them issues which will build, but they'll be able to continue to ride the high for at least a couple more seasons yet.
 

The Great Dane

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If China wanted to invade Australia we’d be screwed regardless of where they had bases, to think otherwise is stupidity.
LOL, no.

Unless we're talking about China glassing us into submission, which could only end with mutually assured destruction and a global extinction level event, invading Australia would be a shit show for any military, let alone the PLA.

Even if we ignore intervention form other participants (which would be inevitable in reality, and would see China forced to fight on multiple fronts against a coalition of militaries inevitably including the USA);

• They'd be forced to land in the north or north west of the country, i.e. the desert or rainforest.

• We're so isolated that their supply lines would be stretched to breaking point before the fighting had even truly begun.

• They'd be facing one of the most competent infantry forces on the planet in guerrilla warfare on their home turf.

• The PLA would have the numbers, but are notoriously incompetent, poorly lead, and suffer from constant interference from the party.

Yeah they would take territory, but holding it long term would be a nightmare and their casualty rate would be insane. They'd never be able to conquer the whole continent, and insurgents within the territory they did take would be beyond uncontrollable.

It's all irrelevant anyway as China has no interest in invading Australia. They're just worried about Australia getting involved if they overstep the line elsewhere, and us being used as a base of operations for the region by allied forces like in WWII. So they're using soft power to try and isolate us as much as possible, and to build covert navel bases to try and cordon us off and make it difficult for us to respond to them if they resort to military aggression in the South China Sea without dealing with those bases first.

Demographic collapse is likely to complete f**k them before war of that scale could break out anyway.
 

The Great Dane

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Maybe Australia should adopt a more neutral position and tell the yanks to get f#cked.
And what exactly? Effectively allow a genocidal authoritarian government to take control of the whole region, subjugating multiple nations and ethnic groups and completely destabilising the whole globe and f**king the economy globally in the process?!

Yeah the Seps aren't perfect, but 1. name me a nation, or even better world power, that was/is, 2. there could be much worse world hegemons than them.

They wouldn't be on the wrong side of history of this one. If China goes for Taiwan and the First Island Chain it won't stop there, because it can't stop there, and the rest of the world will either be forced to accept their dictate or to fight them. It'd genuinely be a Germany invading Poland level event.
 

Wb1234

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$400k a game in 2022. But they got $17mill in revenue from game day activity so don’t feel bad for them lol
LOL, no.

Unless we're talking about China glassing us into submission, which could only end with mutually assured destruction and a global extinction level event, invading Australia would be a shit show for any military, let alone the PLA.

Even if we ignore intervention form other participants (which would be inevitable in reality, and would see China forced to fight on multiple fronts against a coalition of militaries inevitably including the USA);

• They'd be forced to land in the north or north west of the country, i.e. the desert or rainforest.

• We're so isolated that their supply lines would be stretched to breaking point before the fighting had even truly begun.

• They'd be facing one of the most competent infantry forces on the planet in guerrilla warfare on their home turf.

• The PLA would have the numbers, but are notoriously incompetent, poorly lead, and suffer from constant interference from the party.

Yeah they would take territory, but holding it long term would be a nightmare and their casualty rate would be insane. They'd never be able to conquer the whole continent, and insurgents within the territory they did take would be beyond uncontrollable.

It's all irrelevant anyway as China has no interest in invading Australia. They're just worried about Australia getting involved if they overstep the line elsewhere, and us being used as a base of operations for the region by allied forces like in WWII. So they're using soft power to try and isolate us as much as possible, and to build covert navel bases to try and cordon us off and make it difficult for us to respond to them if they resort to military aggression in the South China Sea without dealing with those bases first.

Demographic collapse is likely to complete f**k them before war of that scale could break out anyway.
Excellent post as was the next one you made
 

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