18th club, whose next?

[Colk]

When I argued for rationalisation and expansion into exotic markets I was told to not talk about it because there was no chance of it happening. The same can be said about the dots on map theory.

I would say a team in Perth, PNG, NZ or South East Queensland has a far greater chance by simple virtue of the fact that it is being talked about. I don’t recall anybody talking about rationalisation, however right or wrong that perceived action is.

 

[Colk]

Not much love for PNG mate.

Well that is their opinion and I’d agree with that opinion.

Nevertheless I don’t think a survey is going to have much of an impact on who is going to get picked.

 

[Iamback]

The Wanders? You as well as put the whole A -League competition, Super Rugby, NBL heck even the fumbler expansions over that timeframe as well.

League well Raiders, Cowboys, Knights, Broncos, Warriors just off the top of my head. These clubs were ‘invented’ if you will (although everything is invented at some point which is the logical fallacy of the plastic thing) and didn’t come from a secondary competition.

In fact the idea of bringing teams up from a secondary competition is a rarity not the norm.

The A League who are pulling 3k to games and the comp is going broke? Where are the likes of GC and Townsville now?

GWS and the suns have been basket cases

Those League sides you mentioned. Outside of the Broncos have been in financial trouble at some stage.

NBL like A League has struggled to get viable teams, Hell someone like the Melbourne Tigers who were huge in the 90's struggle now.

Alot of those example you mentioned came in before the sports were professional, look at the numbers to of failed since say 2000 when the leagues were in most part professional.

They are looking at needing $20m a year on going. You are looking at 20 odd years for that new name to become the norm.

Look at GC Titans still no fans in a RL strong hold

 

[Iamback]

ARLC wants Government money nothing else, think bigger ?, NRL clubs won’t make jack shit from some pauper supported PNG team

They want money simple as that, They see International rights the way to maximise that

 

[MugaB]

Yeah I read this a few months ago. I think it was originally on Pythagon RL (I think that was the name)

Whilst the overall tone could be slightly pessimistic I think he outlines quite soberly/logically the problems of all the bids/proposed bids.

Also well done on being more open minded than some. That article is pretty critical of the PNG/Pasifika bid, yet you haven’t just picked what you want out of it to be pretty critical of the whole thing.

Im never like that, im positive on all bids, and realising the pitfalls of the negative aspects of the bids, the trouble here is that there are factions and whingers who drone on and on over one aspect of a bid, or even the thought of a bid in that said area, then paint the whole thing as shithouse, this maroon observer has basically set the table, albiet 8 months ago, not much has changed

 

[MugaB]

ARLC wants Government money nothing else, think bigger ?, NRL clubs won’t make jack shit from some pauper supported PNG team

Abdo has stated many times that they want to be the sporting code thats no.1 in the whole of the Pacific, including Australia... nrl club get grants from the broadcasters, a piece of the pie, they don't want competition from a new big city club, taking away sponsors, marquee players, and coaching staff,
You tell me which bid would suit their agenda better?

 

[Iamback]

Abdo has stated many times that they want to be the sporting code thats no.1 in the whole of the Pacific, including Australia... nrl club get grants from the broadcasters, a piece of the pie, they don't want competition from big city clubs, taking away sponsors, marquee players, and coaching staff,
You tell me which bid would suit their agenda better?

The PVL interview the other day. He said Amazon, Netflix etc said 26m people wasn't enough to get them involved.

Adding Perth doesn't add to that 26m.

Fiji having a Flegg team improves their test side
PNG have made changes.

Get those test teams up to standard and you can potentially get them to take on those rights too.

Vegas being a success and more involvement in the NRL also helps next time we get them involved

 

[MugaB]

The PVL interview the other day. He said Amazon, Netflix etc said 26m people wasn't enough to get them involved.

Adding Perth doesn't add to that 26m.

Fiji having a Flegg team improves their test side
PNG have made changes.

Get those test teams up to standard and you can potentially get them to take on those rights too.

Vegas being a success and more involvement in the NRL also helps next time we get them involved

Adding perth will add a better percentage of that 26mil that we don't really have now, and so will more interest from the Pacific islands, why not do both? #politisknows

 

[Bukowski]

The PVL interview the other day. He said Amazon, Netflix etc said 26m people wasn't enough to get them involved.

Adding Perth doesn't add to that 26m.

Fiji having a Flegg team improves their test side
PNG have made changes.

Get those test teams up to standard and you can potentially get them to take on those rights too.

Vegas being a success and more involvement in the NRL also helps next time we get them involved

There's estimated 10,000 netflix subscribers in PNG so that won't get them interested in NRL.

 

[mongoose]

I didn’t know Stuart, Daley, Clyde and Lazarus ever played in the BRL. Add on David Furner, Brett Mullins, Jason Croker, Ken Nagas, Dean Lance, Chris O’Sullivan as well. But no it was just the BRL and the Raiders have never produced anybody. Stop talking rubbish will you.

I get that you love everything Queensland and rip on everything that is not but every club is exactly the same and they will produce/purchase players from wherever they see fit. Even your beloved Cowboys are the same (have a look at your current squad if you want to argue the point)

Also on the Storm and Cowboys thing you are not disproving anything. Will they struggle more when they are not going well - obviously. Are they going to survive in the future - like every club most probably considering the grant is considerably bigger than the salary cap. Have the Storm, Raiders, Cowboys i.e. “plastic clubs” been any different to clubs with history - well obviously not. Clubs that haven’t been run well have been bailed out or unfortunately if it occurred in the SL war killed off and ones that have been run well have prospered.

You would have to be grossly negligent to run a club to the ground now. Not impossible but highly improbable.

I honestly don't think he knows those players. He seems completely ignorant about RL outside of QLD.

 

[mongoose]

Look at GC Titans still no fans in a RL strong hold

Titans average since 2007 = 15049


Panthers average since 2007 = 12,452



Can't wait for the excuses for this f**king false statement

 

[Iamback]

There's estimated 10,000 netflix subscribers in PNG so that won't get them interested in NRL.

and how many would get it to watch NRL? That is what they weigh up.

I don't see the game ever getting big enough but I can see the reasoning behind it

 

[Bukowski]

and how many would get it to watch NRL? That is what they weigh up.

I don't see the game ever getting big enough but I can see the reasoning behind it

Yeah, Abdo is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks the international game will increae broadcast dollars. Setting up feeder leagues in the islands is for the player pool numbers.

 

[Iamback]

Titans average since 2007 = 15049

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Panthers average since 2007 = 12,452

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Can't wait for the excuses for this f**king false statement

You haven't broken it down enough.

Those GC figures count games hosting Magic round.

Look at the Robina and Carrara figures for GC, In fact any team now. Magic round skewes them.

GC top 6 crowds are at Suncorp including a 'home game' v the Broncos

 

[Iamback]

Yeah, Abdo is barking up the wrong tree if he thinks the international game will increae broadcast dollars. Setting up feeder leagues in the islands is for the player pool numbers.

Test matches is where the growth should be, I guess if they get enough interest

 

[mongoose]

You haven't broken it down enough.

Those GC figures count games hosting Magic round.

Look at the Robina and Carrara figures for GC, In fact any team now. Magic round skewes them.

GC top 6 crowds are at Suncorp including a 'home game' v the Broncos

have the Panthers not hosted magic round?

 

[TheEroticGamer]

have the Panthers not hosted magic round?

We’re not a tinpot club that needs money and our crowd average inflated so no.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

1. And? Correlation doesn’t equal causation (you know that) The majority of their players didn’t come from the BRL: that’s a fact which I have already proved to you.

By the way they bought two great players from the BRL - Belcher and Meninga which agree were very significant. The other players that came from the BRL - Sam Backo, Gary Coyne, Steve Walters weren’t first grade players at the time. They weren’t great players when they arrived, they became great players at that club. You know under that system. You can crap on about it as much as you want but they were just a great side under a great system.

I asked how many premierships they've won since Menginga retired. You've avoided the question and spoke about everything but the club's lack of success since Menginga's retirement.

2. So you want to be a hypocrite then. This is your squad and players that don’t come from North Queensland or even Central Queensland

Drinkwater, Robson, Townsend, Tualagi, Robert Derby, Valemei, Dearden, Vailea, Pua’averse, Neame, Gosiewski, Taunoa- Brown, Nanai, McLean, Finefeuiaki, Leilua, Mcintyre

So by my calculations most of your best players outside of Holmes and Taumololo (and I’m being quite liberal in giving you that considering he was born in Auckland) don’t actually come from North or Central Queensland. In fact a lot of your best players (your whole spine actually) have been bought from other clubs. Good on the Cowboys by the way because they would be negligent to not purchase players from other clubs but it is a tad hypocritical to have a go at say Canberra or any another club for purchasing players when your club is doing exactly the same thing yeah?

You don't consider Feldt a great player?

He was born in Townsville.

The Cowboys never killed a competition. Nor did they cheat the cap. The Raiders took star players from the BRL and ESL. We all know how Raiders overspent to assemble a champion team.

3. How do you know that they are bandwagon supporters? It is a very generalised to say that a whole supporter group are just bandwagon supporters. Would there be some - definitely. But it is a ridiculous thing to say that all of them are.

Look at the poor TV ratings and shithouse attendances in a city of over 5 million. They've got a great stadium and win 70% of their games, yet it's never sold out. Much of their fanbase have admitted the Storm are their "second" team behind their favoured AwFuL club. When the team become also-rans then many of those supporters will go back to just watching AwFuL. It happens with the Lions and Swans, too.

 

[Iamback]

have the Panthers not hosted magic round?

No. We go to Bathurst every year and the Board wants to play 11 games at home.

That website you went to is good. If you click on the years it has the breakdown of every year used and the crowds.

I like to use the actual home grounds to stop cases when clubs sell off home games.

Dolphins for example have Perth counted in their average

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I would say a team in Perth, PNG, NZ or South East Queensland has a far greater chance by simple virtue of the fact that it is being talked about. I don’t recall anybody talking about rationalisation, however right or wrong that perceived action is.

There are people on here who try to shut down any talking point they don't like. Anything that goes against their favoured model of "neutral" Brisbane 2, Adelaide, Perth and NZ 2 in a 20 team competition is mocked by the same group of people. No one is allowed to advocate for PNG, Brisbane 3 or any other location that doesn't accommodate Adelaide and Perth. People from Canberra (mongoose and Dane) think they know more about rugby league in Brisbane than people who were born and raised in Brisbane.

There has been no discussion from the NRL about expanding into Adelaide, FWIW. Perth has been ignored by the ARLC. NZ2 have a lot of work to do.