18th club, whose next?

[Canard]

So to clarify your point regarding memberships, one is not a real supporter or “member” unless they commit to a full membership? This seems an overly prescriptive worldview that misses the nuances of personal circumstances that doesn’t allow a supporter to make 10-12 games (think work commitments, family commitments, financial capacity, location etc)).

I think the point is, its a bit rich for say the Dolphins to claim they have 30,000 members, when they are selling 1 game memberships

Like they are with their Round 1 game against the Cowboys:

 

[Bukowski]

I think the point is, its a bit rich for say the Dolphins to claim they have 30,000 members, when they are selling 1 game memberships

Like they are with their Round 1 game against the Cowboys:

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They also have a1 game membership for their game against the Broncos . I assume one will be available for the game they are taking to Perth too.

 

[Perth Red]

The Storm aren't really selling tickets to other teams games in that membership.

They're effectively selling a voucher that's good to redeem a ticket to games if there's excess availably. In other words it isn't a guarantee to a ticket to the games you want to attend, and the Storm can almost certainly honour the membership without making any arrangements with the other clubs.

What you were proposing, a specific seat at two specific away matches, is a different thing and not as easily organised.

As an aside, BS memberships like the above need to be done away with. We need to get back to a place where it isn't legit unless it's a season ticket or similar, and where we're incentivising people to support their local clubs as much as possible.

You've clearly stated and repeated a deluded fantasy that the Bears would never accept, and it's an insult to everybody's intelligence to pretend that that fantasy is even close to comparable to a full blown relocation like the Swans. You're also already accepting of a glorified FIFO East Coast club under your criteria.

If the Bear's gain a Perth license it'll happen in one of two ways; either the NRL will give them full ownership over a license to run an NRL side out of Perth. Or it'll effectively be another merger club where the Bears own the majority stake in partnership with a consortium from Perth, which will suffer from all the same power struggles and issues associated with mergers except the tug of war over control of the club will be between entities on opposite sides of the country. The prior would probably be better than the latter.

Thats exactly what a perth bears could do. and theres precedent as Ive shown you. I really dont understand why you dont see it as feasible when its happening now? Do you honestly think Roosters and Souths wouldn't like extra income when they play a perth team in Sydney from a few thousand away team fans attending?

On your last point, youve just reiterated what Ive said all along. Under the right circumstances it can work, under the wrong ones it would be a sht show. If the Bears are prepared to shift their expectations I agree seems very slim and is the reason id suggest the talks with perth went nowhere. Doesnt mean that the right model for Perth couldnt work with a Bears partnership, just that its unlikely to ever happen.

 

[Wb1234]

I play subbies in Sydney, most of the nsw/qld/kiwi guys I play with will have a super rugby team and NRL team, The ones from VIC and WA tend to have their super rugby team and their AFL team.

Many union fans in nsw will switch between Waratahs roosters and swans

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Umm this year on your last point.

Cricket might be in decline but you’re seriously overestimating the support that the NBL has.

That’s my point (I’ll put it in italics for you)

If you want to talk about the NBL: the problem that the NBL has, the same as with the A-League, is that it is simply an inferior competition. Now before you or anybody else drone on about the standard, I am just stating that you have a much higher profile and better overseas competition which people are going to be drawn to instead(again have a look at the graph). That’s why the NBL will probably never be huge.

If you want to talk about cricket: well cricket is going through a massive evolution. I think ODIs will probably go and test cricket will probably have to evolve. This is not only about support but it is more about scheduling and control of the game. People are being drawn to Twenty20 cricket (if you disagree have a look at the crowds and again the graph). Ergo, I don’t think the game is in trouble at all in terms of support and there is way more money in the game than it was in the 1990’s. However the sport might look completely different in the future and it has to manage and contend with that.

On your point on immigration
i) There are more people of Indian heritage moving to Australia than any other Asian group and that is growing (look up the ABS)
ii) You’re implying that a majority of this East Asian population are going to be drawn to basketball (and you can if you want) but you’re not extending that assumption to people coming from countries that play cricket. It seems a strange point to make.

It seems very strange to essentially use a graph which contradicts your point and then continue to argue it. You are essentially stating that one sport is in massive trouble (writing is on the wall) but boasting about a competition which is growing at a much slower rate and from a much lower base than the one in trouble. It’s pretty f****** stupid and probably up there on the stupid ranking.

You're showing a lot of bias and cognitive dissonance in this post. Arguing that NBL is inferior to NBA, then going on about T20 taking over yet ignoring the fact the BBL is an inferior competition to the IPL. The BBL is one of the weakest T20 domestic competitions around the world. It doesn't have access to BCCI players. There are club cricketers not good enough for Sheffield Shield playing in the BBL. CH7 took Cricket Australia to court over this.

Do I need to point out that BBL has been going backwards over the last few years?

Test cricket is dying in this country.

There's no guarantee South Asians will remain the largest group of migrants. These trends change regularly. What we do know is the Australian economy relies on China. International students from China, foreign investment from Chinese property developers and exports to China are keeping us afloat. This ain't going to change any time soon.

 

[Vlad59]

For those concerned about the safety and of PNG as a home for a new NRL club, and the need to focus on other priorities first there has been a report of a massacre of over 50 tribesmen in remote PNG. It’s on the ABC website. Unfortunately I am not able to post it here. It’s not a good sign for a potential club when you have issues like this occurring imho. I’m a great supporter of a club there eventually but gee there are some problems there right now.

 

[Perth Red]

For those concerned about the safety and of PNG as a home for a new NRL club, and the need to focus on other priorities first there has been a report of a massacre of over 50 tribesmen in remote PNG. It’s on the ABC website. Unfortunately I am not able to post it here. It’s not a good sign for a potential club when you have issues like this occurring imho. I’m a great supporter of a club there eventually but gee there are some problems there right now.

This isnt anything new for PNG sadly. Player safety has always been a concern, how they think they will be able to entice Aus and Kiwi players to live in Port Moresby I really dont know. Even if you built them an armed guard luxury resort to live in its hardly going to be a draw card. Its why they need to spend the money and time investing in PNG grassroots so the team can be made up of 100% PNG players. Even then how you retain them when they could be living in an Australian city I have no idea.

 

[Vlad59]

This isnt anything new for PNG sadly. Player safety has always been a concern, how they think they will be able to entice Aus and Kiwi players to live in Port Moresby I really dont know. Even if you built them an armed guard luxury resort to live in its hardly going to be a draw card. Its why they need to spend the money and time investing in PNG grassroots so the team can be made up of 100% PNG players. Even then how you retain them when they could be living in an Australian city I have no idea.

Sadly I agree with you hahaha

 

[blue bags]

Papa New Guinea can have couple games a year. With the Pasifika Grizzlies Bear's

 

[Wb1234]

This isnt anything new for PNG sadly. Player safety has always been a concern, how they think they will be able to entice Aus and Kiwi players to live in Port Moresby I really dont know. Even if you built them an armed guard luxury resort to live in its hardly going to be a draw card. Its why they need to spend the money and time investing in PNG grassroots so the team can be made up of 100% PNG players. Even then how you retain them when they could be living in an Australian city I have no idea.

Poor hunters how have they managed it ?

luckily a cairns based team flying on a private jet is a whole lot different proposition than a team based on the outskirts of png

 

[Jamberoo]

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It’s not a red flag. NRL is amongst the top for growth in Australia when it comes to new fans.

Super Rugby isn’t even on the list but baseball is lol.

So, the big three sports (from a non participation POV), are also growing the fastest, thus the gap between AFL, NRL and Cricket is widening from all other sports in regards to viewership, attendance and other commercial metrics.

It also shows that junior participation has zero correlation with how popular professional leagues can be. And vice versa (male participation on RL and AFL is falling steadily).

There is no coming coming back for Super Rugby or A League.

 

[Maximus]

Poor hunters how have they managed it ?

luckily a cairns based team flying on a private jet is a whole lot different proposition than a team based on the outskirts of png

Well apart from the fact that Vlandys said the team would have to be based in Port Moresby from day 1.

 

[Vlad59]

Poor hunters how have they managed it ?

luckily a cairns based team flying on a private jet is a whole lot different proposition than a team based on the outskirts of png

After the recent riot in Port Moresby, the scandals affecting the PM and this news it is with sadness I have to concede this is not the time to announce a PNG team. It’s going to have to wait in my very humble opinion.

 

[Canard]

Many union fans in nsw will switch between Waratahs roosters and swans

There is virtually NO crossover between Sydney Union and League fans.

In fact, I would say these two groups are the most hostile to each other in all of Australian sports.

 

[Canard]

This isnt anything new for PNG sadly. Player safety has always been a concern, how they think they will be able to entice Aus and Kiwi players to live in Port Moresby I really dont know. Even if you built them an armed guard luxury resort to live in its hardly going to be a draw card. Its why they need to spend the money and time investing in PNG grassroots so the team can be made up of 100% PNG players. Even then how you retain them when they could be living in an Australian city I have no idea.

The problem is people keep looking at it this issue from a player safety perspective only.

When they cancel a football (soccer) game in London because of snow its not because of the players (most modern pitches are heated) its because of crowd safety.

Do you think, for example, that 50 people dying in the crowd at Port Moresby NRL game due to a riot would be fine as long as Aaron Woods man bun didn't get scuffed?

 

[Wb1234]

After the recent riot in Port Moresby, the scandals affecting the PM and this news it is with sadness I have to concede this is not the time to announce a PNG team. It’s going to have to wait in my very humble opinion.

Yeh till the middle of the year after origin

team 18 is a lock it’s almost a waste of time denying their favouritism

 

[Vlad59]

The problem is people keep looking at it this issue from a player safety perspective only.

When they cancel a football (soccer) game in London because of snow its not because of the players (most modern pitches are heated) its because of crowd safety.

Do you think, for example, that 50 people dying in the crowd at Port Moresby NRL game due to a riot would be fine as long as Aaron Woods man bun didn't get scuffed?

It’s over 64 now and the number will increase. This is really bloody bad.

 

[Iamback]

So, the big three sports (from a non participation POV), are also growing the fastest, thus the gap between AFL, NRL and Cricket is widening from all other sports in regards to viewership, attendance and other commercial metrics.

It also shows that junior participation has zero correlation with how popular professional leagues can be. And vice versa (male participation on RL and AFL is falling steadily).

There is no coming coming back for Super Rugby or A League.

All 3 are on Fox, That shows their pull

 

[Iamback]

I think the point is, its a bit rich for say the Dolphins to claim they have 30,000 members, when they are selling 1 game memberships

Like they are with their Round 1 game against the Cowboys:

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All clubs do this though

 

[Wb1234]

All clubs do this though

He’s insecure at their success