1st Test: New Zealand v Australia at Wellington on Feb 12-16, 2016

[blaza88z]

Tours of England 2015, our home conditions, India, UAE....

You don't trot that line out when you're 6/92 batting first in your own conditions.

 

[JJ]

It's funny that when Australian batsmen fail in bowler friendly conditions, it's poor technique and we're flat track bullies. When NZ batsmen fail in bowler friendly conditions it's an aberration and down to individual poor decisions.

The fact is NZ have proven nothing more than we have in bowler friendly conditions against a good attack. They are no more immune to swing and seam than we are.

Hmmm, you are flat track bullies - we're not. We're not terribly effective in any conditions tbh - McCullum is a flat track bully and Guptill could be, Anderson too.

Latham, Williamson, Watling very reliable normally, and we're missing Taylor.

The teams are evenly matched, winning the toss was important, but without having watched by impression is this is a choke - or Effrikan proportions, the occasion (Australia and Baz's 100th) has got to them, IO reckon - they'll never admit it, of course, and you might have a different view

 

[Bazal]

Most batsman around struggle when the ball moves around, most are front foot plodders. That's why I like Williamson so much he plays off both feet so well.

That's exactly the point. Very few batsmen in the world deal with it these days, and NZ are no different

 

[ANTiLAG]

You don't trot that line out when you're 6/92 batting first in your own conditions.

We all knew whoever batted first was disadvantaged.

But while NZ gets all doom and gloom, we want you to bury yourselves with cockiness and we are not that secretly hopeful for a Boult blitz.

 

[Hutty1986]

You have a keen sense of humour for an Aussie.

You're good value.

Do aussies not have a sense of humour laggy?

 

[JJ]

Most batsman around struggle when the ball moves around, most are front foot plodders. That's why I like Williamson so much he plays off both feet so well.

Nah, he's overrated, a hack, just ask Twatface and El Diablo - they know their cricket

 

[Pete Cash]

We all knew whoever batted first was disadvantaged.

But while NZ gets all doom and gloom, we want you to bury yourselves with cockiness and we are not that secretly hopeful for a Boult blitz.

Here is a bit of Australian humour for you mate.

f**k off you dumb merkin

 

[The Charlatan]

Indeed

I know the logic is that if Australian bowlers cant take 20 wickets there is zero percent chance touring bowlers can (maybe RSA) but its just boring cricket and its crippling our bowlers.

Australia has always been on the flatter side. Even back in Bradmans day. We can't help the weather or the hardness of the outfield which destroys the cricket ball. Its funny just watching a game in NZ looking at how lush the place is and we not too far away its rock hard grounds.

Basically a small bit of grass covering day 1. I would love to see the pitches hold together less as well. For whatever reason Australian pitches dont crack like they used to.

We can still take 20 wickets in a match, that's not the issue, it's the ridiculous scores that are being racked up still. You can take 20 wickets in a match but if you're getting 800-900 runs smacked off you in two innings on a road it's still not really a contest between batsmen and bowlers, moreso a case of waiting for the batsman to make a mistake, rather than trying to enforce one with variation in the pitch. Moreover, other attacks struggle to take the 20 wickets, so it's proof in the pudding that our decks simply remove the contest.

A good days Test cricket for mine is about 280-300 runs and 8-10 wickets a day.

 

[Hutty1986]

NZ dont handle flat pitches as well as us it seems. So that somehow makes them superior. That is an interesting argument, to say the least

 

[hineyrulz]

Amazing Voges hangs onto one.

Close to a no ball but the mighty Siddle has 3 lol.

 

[Pete Cash]

We can still take 20 wickets in a match, that's not the issue, it's the ridiculous scores that are being racked up still. You can take 20 wickets in a match but if you're getting 800-900 runs smacked off you in two innings on a road it's still not really a contest between batsmen and bowlers, moreso a case of waiting for the batsman to make a mistake, rather than trying to enforce one with variation in the pitch.

A good days Test cricket for mine is about 280-300 runs and 8-10 wickets a day.

To be fair in general its only really Australia racking up the score. Besides the odd shocking pitch here and there (Melbourne and Sydney in the Indian summer, Perth last year) most of the time its Australia scores 500 and opposition scores 300.

I still think bowling on those Sydney and Melbourne pitches is what killed Ryan Harris knees they were that bad.

 

[chigurh]

Mark "The Nice Guy" Craig in

 

[ANTiLAG]

NZ dont handle flat pitches as well as us it seems. So that somehow makes them superior. That is an interesting argument, to say the least

Our bowlers don't.

Nor do English bowlers.

Your impressive pace stocks are pushed to the limit by your pitches. They get bounce, but look at all the high quality seamers you chew through.

 

[Pete Cash]

Our bowlers don't.

Nor do English bowlers.

Your impressive pace stocks are pushed to the limit by your pitches. They get bounce, but look at all the high quality seamers you chew through.

Fast bowling is hard work. They always suffer injuries. Shane Bond ring a bell ?

EDIT

That said I agree that the pitches could go back to the way they were a few years ago. Australia has always been a tourist graveyard but we continue to take 20 wickets a game.

 

[hineyrulz]

Amazing insight, fast bowlers get injured. Well I never.........

 

[The Charlatan]

Our bowlers don't.

Nor do English bowlers.

Your impressive pace stocks are pushed to the limit by your pitches. They get bounce, but look at all the high quality seamers you chew through.

That's because we either wrap them in cotton wool and when they're required to bowl some heavy overs they go down (Pattinson, Cummins,) or we bowl the poor merkins into the ground (Starc.)

 

[blaza88z]

Mark "The Nice Guy" Craig in

Brendan won't be happy about that.

 

[Pete Cash]

Poor Starc one of the most idiotic things Cricket Australia has done for a while. Who gives a f**k about the t20 world cup lol

That said I do agree that really flat wickets like what were served up for India at the SCG and the MCG a couple of years ago do no favour for the bowlers bodies.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Fast bowling is hard work. They always suffer injuries. Shane Bond ring a bell ?

That was his action.

But you already used Ryan Harris as an example.

Impressive thing is Australia keeps producing an endless glut of fine fast bowlers.

No other country, Pakistan 2nd, can and does produce so many quality seamers.

 

[Twatface Magee]

How to be an NZ cricket fan:
1) Lose on flat pitches
2) Blame the pitch
3) Talk up how much better you are on a greener pitch
4) Do just as bad if not worse on the green pitch
5) Repeat step 2 whilst referring to how you did well on a green pitch once 3 years ago.