2016 Crowd Watch

[Frank Discussion]

There are a range of factors that people forget about with the Sharks. They own the ground, and thus all revenue is going directly to the club. You reduce games at the ground, not only do they lose the game day revenue - but it devalues the sponsorship money that comes with the ground which adds a lot of value to the club.

That goes without saying the business for the leagues club that game day brings in.

The leagues club makes the lions share of it's revenue from those 12 home games when the joint is packed for hours. That money goes back into the community and the Football club.

To be quite honest though, I reckon the leagues club wouldn't suffer too much if they moved home games to a central stadium. There would be more people in the club watching on TV than there would be at ANZ.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Sharks v Dragons got nearly 60k at ANZ over 15 years ago,

Now that was an event..

You want jumping castles and face painting go to the easter show, or gymea gorrillas game

 

[Frank Discussion]

Sharks v Dragons got nearly 60k at ANZ over 15 years ago,

Now that was an event..

You want jumping castles and face painting go to the easter show, or gymea gorrillas game

That was a semi final. A game that should be played in a central stadium and one Sharks supporters would be happy to travel to.

Are you having a pop at the Sharks for having great fan engagement with their young supporters and maximising the game day experience that their facility provides?

 

[Desert Qlder]

Cronulla need to move home games to spare the blushing of AFL trolls while they watch on TV.

That is what this discussion distils down to.

 

[carcharias]

Sharks v Dragons got nearly 60k at ANZ over 15 years ago,

Now that was an event..

You want jumping castles and face painting go to the easter show, or gymea gorrillas game

ha
nearly 50
it was 51,627 according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Cronulla-Sutherland_Sharks_season

 

[thorson1987]

Sharks v Dragons got nearly 60k at ANZ over 15 years ago,

Now that was an event..

You want jumping castles and face painting go to the easter show, or gymea gorrillas game

Dragons v Storm got over 100k the week after.

I guess we should move our games to the MCG on the very very slight chance of it happening again.

 

[jc155776]

I wouldn't travel from Brisbane to a Sharks home game away from Shark Park unless it was a final.

I go down for the game day experience. Getting to the leagues club, having a few with mates and catching up with other mates I have met simply through supporting the sharks. Having a punt in the tab, a greasy lunch and heading out into the sun to yell rubbish.

Back to the leagues club after the game for drinks, into the events room to celebrate or heckel at the presso and then onto King Wan for a feed. If I'm lucky the band is still playing post feed before being kicked out by security for looking at them funny.

I know most interstate Sharks fans have a similar experience and go down just for it.

Wouldn't want to bother going to a generic quarter full stadium. Went to a Souths vs Sharks game at ANZ once. What a shit experience that was. Long train trips where you have to change multiple times. Empty stadium. One shitty pub open nearby.

Yeah nah. Not coming down for that shit.

 

[Dogs Of War]

I wouldn't travel from Brisbane to a Sharks home game away from Shark Park unless it was a final.

I'm always surprised how many Sharks supporters live in brisbane. I swear I have met more Sharks supporters in Brisbane since I've been up here than I did when I lived in Sydney.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

And you could still do that 9 times a year, its just that the other 3 might be a big friday night match against the tigers / St geo / Roosters at the SFS in front of 30k,

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

yeah but would that get 30k?

we have played St George at homebush and the sfs in derbys and obviously the finals games had big crowds

SFS games

Year Date Date Year Team Score Opposition Halftime Crowd 2001 May 25th May 25th 2001 Sharks D 26 - 26 St George Illawarra 8 - 8 15,226 http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/1656 2002 Mar 17th Mar 17th 2002 Sharks W 24 - 18 St George Illawarra 10 - 12 12,470 http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/1748 2002 Sep 21st Sep 21st 2002 Sharks W 40 - 24 St George Illawarra 18 - 12 31,783
Homebush

To view more info on a match, click the icon. Year Date Date Year Team Score Opposition Halftime Crowd 1999 Sep 19th Sep 19th 1999 Sharks L 8 - 24 St George Illawarra - 51,827 http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/matches/1411 2000 Feb 5th Feb 5th 2000 Sharks W 28 - 12 St George Illawarra - 62,255 2008 Apr 5th Apr 5th 2008 Cronulla W 18 - 16 St George Illawarra 6 - 4 15,318


So the non finals or D/H games were all pretty average RL Crowds.

So maybe we would get a couple more thousand if we were playing a home game..but all those crowds would fit into shark park

 

[Dogs Of War]

And you could still do that 9 times a year, its just that the other 3 might be a big friday night match against the tigers / St geo / Roosters at the SFS in front of 30k,

And you market it so that their is a 3 (4) game membership pack for those matches, so the Sharks supporters who normally can't get to the Shire more than once in a while, can commit to the SFS instead. If you get 20-25K and on TV, it's got to be a good thing for the club itself. Part of the process is about making all the teams financially solid. You guys have the development, but it's not always going to be the thing that keeps your bottom line great. More members is what will fix that.

Those who live in the Shire and don't want to go to the SFS can just rock down to the Leagues club and continue to support the club from there. Get the Sharks NSW Cup team playing at Shark park from say 6pm so you have a live match on the ground anyway to cheer on.

 

[Brutus]

Sharks v Dragons got nearly 60k at ANZ over 15 years ago,

Now that was an event..

You want jumping castles and face painting go to the easter show, or gymea gorrillas game

More like 50k.

 

[carcharias]

you wouldn't get 30k at a sharks home game at homebush or the SFS.
Dreamin.
you would get less there than you would for the derby in Cronulla.

 

[Frank Discussion]

And you could still do that 9 times a year, its just that the other 3 might be a big friday night match against the tigers / St geo / Roosters at the SFS in front of 30k,

Please explain to us how moving the 3 biggest drawing games away from our privately owned home stadium which is in the heartland of our supporters is a good thing for fans/sponsors and stakeholders of the club; 90% of whom don't want to move?

 

[Frank Discussion]

you wouldn't get 30k at a sharks home game at homebush or the SFS.
Dreamin.
you would get less there than you would for the derby in Cronulla.

As already posted the average for non finals matches at SFS/ANZ v St George comes in at 14,339.

The numbers would be largely the same since we started playing Souths and the Dogs at ANZ. There is simply no appetite for Sharks fans to travel to ANZ/SFS for regular season games and I daresay the situation is the same for Manly.

 

[Dogs Of War]

Do you have the results of the poll that says all your members don't want to move a couple of games? Especially if the new/refurbished SFS works out to be a much better venue.

Whats happened previously has nothing to do with it as most of that was one off etc. With a commitment, and also this new focus on members which when those previous games were played wasn't something people really committed to, it may surprise you how the matches go.

Probably help if the NRL/SCG guys worked out how to make the ticket prices great as well for those games, say $5 ($15 reserved) to members of other clubs. You wouldn't be taking games like Dragons away, that would be stupid. Games like the Sea Eagles, Roosters, Bulldogs and Eels just make sense though as you want those travelling supporters to attend the match.

 

[betcats]

Keep sharkies games in Cronulla, we don't want a pack of smelly shire scum running amok around Sydney.

 

[Frank Discussion]

Do you have the results of the poll that says all your members don't want to move a couple of games? Especially if the new/refurbished SFS works out to be a much better venue.

Whats happened previously has nothing to do with it as most of that was one off etc. With a commitment, and also this new focus on members which when those previous games were played wasn't something people really committed to, it may surprise you how the matches go.

Probably help if the NRL/SCG guys worked out how to make the ticket prices great as well for those games, say $5 ($15 reserved) to members of other clubs. You wouldn't be taking games like Dragons away, that would be stupid. Games like the Sea Eagles, Roosters, Bulldogs and Eels just make sense though as you want those travelling supporters to attend the match.

The poll was done internally. You are just going to have to take my word for it. Others on here can vouch for my contacts. It doesn't matter how shiny and new the redone SFS is, it's simply too far to go for shire people, particularly on a Friday night.

And to say what has happened in the past has no bearing is just ludicrous. Every single regular season fixture featuring the Sharks at these centralised stadiums has crowd figures at around the 15k mark. We've only been playing the Roosters at SFS since 1988 and can you ever remember a big travelling contingent of Sharks fans?

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

And to say what has happened in the past has no bearing is just ludicrous. Every single regular season fixture featuring the Sharks at these centralised stadiums has crowd figures at around the 15k mark. We've only been playing the Roosters at SFS since 1988 and can you ever remember a big travelling contingent of Sharks fans?

I looked at our crowds against them.

1996 - 23819
1999 - 17131
2002 - Semi Final 25336
2013 - 13706

are the biggest ones

rest are couple 12k, most under 10k

The poll was done internally. You are just going to have to take my word for it. Others on here can vouch for my contacts. It doesn't matter how shiny and new the redone SFS is, it's simply too far to go for shire people, particularly on a Friday night.

the traffic would be shit
so then you have city rail...and busses

that puts people off.

also , crowds in the NRL era vs Choks at Shire


1998
Mar 14th Mar 14th 1998 Cronulla L 14 - 36 Sydney City - 17,828
2000
Feb 12th Feb 12th 2000 Sharks W 28 - 2 Sydney - 13,112
2001
Apr 7th Apr 7th 2001 Sharks L 13 - 22 Sydney 13 - 0 15,113
2002
Sep 7th Sep 7th 2002 Sharks L 18 - 30 Sydney 6 - 10 20,380
2003
Apr 6th Apr 6th 2003 Cronulla L 20 - 40 Sydney 4 - 24 15,473
2004
May 15th May 15th 2004 Cronulla L 18 - 38 Sydney 6 - 20 14,321
2005
Jun 17th Jun 17th 2005 Cronulla W 16 - 10 Sydney 2 - 10 16,355
2006
Apr 8th Apr 8th 2006 Cronulla L 24 - 28 Sydney 0 - 16 12,331

2007
May 26th May 26th 2007 Cronulla L 12 - 13 Sydney 6 - 0 11,193

2008
Aug 22nd Aug 22nd 2008 Cronulla W 20 - 0 Sydney 8 - 0 10,013
2009
May 2nd May 2nd 2009 Cronulla L 12 - 19 Sydney 6 - 10 9,879
2010
Aug 13th Aug 13th 2010 Cronulla W 18 - 12 Sydney 6 - 12 8,911
2011
May 15th May 15th 2011 Cronulla W 18 - 4 Sydney 8 - 4 14,458
2012
Jul 9th Jul 9th 2012 Cronulla D 14 - 14 Sydney 10 - 4 13,139
2013
Aug 26th Aug 26th 2013 Cronulla W 32 - 22 Sydney 26 - 0 11,418
2014
Apr 19th Apr 19th 2014 Cronulla L 18 - 24 Sydney 6 - 12 12,163
2015
Jun 7th Jun 7th 2015 Cronulla W 10 - 4 Sydney 0 - 4 14,235

 

[Dogs Of War]

I looked at our crowds against them.

1996 - 23819
1999 - 17131
2002 - Semi Final 25336
2013 - 13706

are the biggest ones

rest are couple 12k, most under 10k


the traffic would be shit
so then you have city rail...and busses

that puts people off.

also , crowds in the NRL era vs Choks at Shire


1998
Mar 14th Mar 14th 1998 Cronulla L 14 - 36 Sydney City - 17,828
2000
Feb 12th Feb 12th 2000 Sharks W 28 - 2 Sydney - 13,112
2001
Apr 7th Apr 7th 2001 Sharks L 13 - 22 Sydney 13 - 0 15,113
2002
Sep 7th Sep 7th 2002 Sharks L 18 - 30 Sydney 6 - 10 20,380
2003
Apr 6th Apr 6th 2003 Cronulla L 20 - 40 Sydney 4 - 24 15,473
2004
May 15th May 15th 2004 Cronulla L 18 - 38 Sydney 6 - 20 14,321
2005
Jun 17th Jun 17th 2005 Cronulla W 16 - 10 Sydney 2 - 10 16,355
2006
Apr 8th Apr 8th 2006 Cronulla L 24 - 28 Sydney 0 - 16 12,331

2007
May 26th May 26th 2007 Cronulla L 12 - 13 Sydney 6 - 0 11,193

2008
Aug 22nd Aug 22nd 2008 Cronulla W 20 - 0 Sydney 8 - 0 10,013
2009
May 2nd May 2nd 2009 Cronulla L 12 - 19 Sydney 6 - 10 9,879
2010
Aug 13th Aug 13th 2010 Cronulla W 18 - 12 Sydney 6 - 12 8,911
2011
May 15th May 15th 2011 Cronulla W 18 - 4 Sydney 8 - 4 14,458
2012
Jul 9th Jul 9th 2012 Cronulla D 14 - 14 Sydney 10 - 4 13,139
2013
Aug 26th Aug 26th 2013 Cronulla W 32 - 22 Sydney 26 - 0 11,418
2014
Apr 19th Apr 19th 2014 Cronulla L 18 - 24 Sydney 6 - 12 12,163
2015
Jun 7th Jun 7th 2015 Cronulla W 10 - 4 Sydney 0 - 4 14,235

None of those are on a Friday night though. I had a look through them and most of them are on a Saturday night, with a couple of a Sunday. Roosters must pencil this is as a lower drawing game.