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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

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PVL brought in The Dolphins. +1

PVL stands up to Victoria and AwFuL. +2

Greenberg, Smith and Grant sat on their arse and did nothing for expansion and never stood up to AwFuL. -2

Gallop spoke about expanding into Logan/Ipswich but did nothing. 0

Gallop sucked up to AwFuL. -1

Gallop brought in the Titans. +1
 
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We`re still a fair way from a Pay TV operator from taking complete control of League broadcast rights and putting couple of games in front of the streaming paywall to avoid anti-syphoning laws and to make them accessible to the general public. The NRL would be mad not to have games on FTA, as we know only hardcore fans will go looking for them on streaming ( free or not ) and we will miss that casual/new fan that you can get on FTA.
Cruelly it would be Channel 9 who it would probably suite to have complete control, a couple of games on FTA each week and then the punter pays to watch the rest behind the streaming paywall.
9 boss Sneesby has said that they would love to have complete control of League broadcast rights, including the NRL website which last year got 145m visits compared to 9`s Rugby League/NRL site which only got about 45m. They would be salivating at the thought of all the 9 promo`s they could put on there.
Strikes me though a deal with Nine could be the best option, money wise at least. Whether we would be able to break free from Fox though I`m not sure, but that Nine option should keep Foxtel honest at the next broadcast deal. I hope anyway.
I hope Ch9/Stan get it in 2028 because it will make the game easier to access and more affordable. Stan is available on smart TVs, Fetch and many other devices. Kayo and Foxtel are available on far fewer devices. Telstra is about to drop Roku as the supplier of its Telstra TV STB and acquire a 51% share in Fetch, with the goal of shifting its 1.4 million customers onto the Fetch Mighty and Fetch Mini 4K. That means the existing 700k Fetch customers will join the 1.4 million Telstra TV customers and will have access to Stan. Getting the NRL, Queensland Cup and NSW Cup onto Stan will help grow our audience. The best bit about that proposition is no fumbleball!
 
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AFL open to alternatives as McLachlan targets one last agreement

By Zoe Samios
April 17, 2022 — 8.00pm

TALKING POINTS
The AFL sent out expressions of interest for its broadcast rights earlier this month.
Streaming services and television networks will bid aggressively.
The 2017 to 2022 deal was worth $2.5 billion over six years between Foxtel, Telstra and Seven.
The AFL sent out expressions of interest to potential bidders for its broadcast rights weeks before the resignation of long-standing chief executive Gillon McLachlan, in a clear sign of its ambitions to secure a lucrative new agreement before the end of the year.

Industry sources familiar with the correspondence, who spoke anonymously, said letters were sent to the major commercial television networks and streaming companies about two weeks ago. The request to submit interest in the rights came after the AFL was made aware there were other parties who wanted to seriously contend with longstanding partners Seven West Media and Foxtel for the ability to broadcast the code.

The AFL broadcast rights are expected to be highly competitive.

An AFL spokesperson said the governing body did not comment on broadcast talks or negotiations.

McLachlan announced plans to retire from his position as CEO after eight years last week, but said he wanted to secure a new deal before his departure. It will be the third agreement struck since McLachlan took the helm, including a renegotiation which took place during 2020 when games were suspended because of COVID-19. The last long-term deal was worth $2.5 billion over six years between Telstra, Foxtel and Seven.

News Corp’s Melbourne masthead The Herald Sun wrote last week the AFL planned to strike a deal with Foxtel (majority owned by News Corp) and Seven West Media in the coming months. It said talks had already started with both parties on a new deal that would run for at least three years and that Foxtel would want more exclusivity in non-Victorian markets.

However, requests for expression of interest show the AFL is looking at its alternatives and weighing up what the Australian media industry has to offer when the next round of rights begin in 2025.

Nine Entertainment Co, the owner of this masthead, is one of several broadcasters expected to take a look at the rights. But any decision will be complicated by the fact Nine is the broadcast partner of the NRL and is required to air multiple games on its main channel each week. However, securing the rights would give Nine the opportunity to accelerate growth of its sports streaming platform, Stan Sport, which currently broadcasts international tennis events and the rugby union.

Amazon Prime Video’s local content boss Tyler Bern said last month that the streaming service would look at any rights that came into the market. Amazon Prime Video was behind the documentary Making Their Mark and is currently a broadcast partner for Swimming Australia. The global company has deep pockets and has also signalled an intent to try and acquire the rights to broadcast the Olympic Games.

Unlike Foxtel, Amazon and other streaming services are not prevented by law to bid for AFL games at the same time as free-to-air networks. However, television networks are strongly advocating for these laws to be extended to streaming services such as Amazon.

Paramount, which owns Network Ten, has not only launched in this market, but bought equity in the A-League as part of a $200 million rights deal acquired last year. Globally, Paramount’s focus is sport and news. It is also expected to bid aggressively for the AFL rights.

Existing broadcast partners Foxtel and Seven West Media have undergone dramatic structural change since the last major deal. Foxtel, which currently has a debt pile of almost $2 billion, has cut back costs and reduced staff count as it tries to become a pure internet-led streaming company and aggregator. Until last week it was considering publicly floating on the ASX, but a combination of market volatility and risk associated with expiring content deals have deterred investors.

The challenge it faces is the amount of money required for sports rights deals is not offset by the average revenue per user (ARPU) on its sports streaming service, Kayo Sports, while the cable TV business is in steady decline.

Free-to-air partner Seven West Media, controlled by billionaire Kerry Stokes, has also spent the last few years cutting back costs to pay down its debt. It is one of the few media companies in market that could be part of industry consolidation in the next few years.

These factors, as well as the upcoming rights negotiations for highly expensive sports such as the cricket, tennis and Olympics, will need to be considered by the television networks and the AFL during the process. Multiple industry observers say there is a slim chance the games could be split across multiple commercial television networks and streaming services. Before 2011, the rights were shared between multiple free-to-air broadcasters.

Any deal struck would provide the code with significant financial security. The revenue generated from over $500 million of broadcast rights per season allows the league to broker new pay deals with AFL and AFLW players. The AFL wants to schedule Thursday night football for most rounds next season and the Commission is also considering whether to air its Grand Final later in the day. Both changes could add value to the broadcast rights deals.

 
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The Penguin #6.

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The request to submit interest in the rights came after the AFL was made aware there were other parties who wanted to seriously contend with longstanding partners Seven West Media and Foxtel for the ability to broadcast the code.
They all say that don`t they. But like who ? Channel 10 broke and stuck with soccer ? Nine committed to League and union, that doesn`t leave much.
The thing about all this talk about broadcasters lining up to bid for the rights is that in a small market like Oz often it`s a matter of robbing Peter to pay Paul. i.e. you sell the streaming rights exclusively to say Amazon, Foxtel, whoever, this will have a drastic effect on the value of Channel 7 rights, alternatively you sell them exclusively to Seven, Foxtel will be very unhappy. Although a FTA network having complete ownership probably makes the most sense and possibly worth the most. But where would that leave the value of Foxtel rights.
 

Menaiduck

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They all say that don`t they. But like who ? Channel 10 broke and stuck with soccer ? Nine committed to League and union, that doesn`t leave much.
The thing about all this talk about broadcasters lining up to bid for the rights is that in a small market like Oz often it`s a matter of robbing Peter to pay Paul. i.e. you sell the streaming rights exclusively to say Amazon, Foxtel, whoever, this will have a drastic effect on the value of Channel 7 rights, alternatively you sell them exclusively to Seven, Foxtel will be very unhappy. Although a FTA network having complete ownership probably makes the most sense and possibly worth the most. But where would that leave the value of Foxtel rights.
I’m interested to see where this goes as it will clear a path to our next deal. In particular it will encourage sound decision making around expansion and increasing game time slots. In an ideal world by 2028 we’ll have twenty teams including Perth a second nz and one other and will have origin and tests to throw in as separate entities. If the afl does get an enhanced deal, good on them as it will help shape where we go next. In a funny having a strong competitor is good for both sports. Our advantage is the international presence.
 

Menaiduck

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I’m interested to see where this goes as it will clear a path to our next deal. In particular it will encourage sound decision making around expansion and increasing game time slots. In an ideal world by 2028 we’ll have twenty teams including Perth a second nz and one other and will have origin and tests to throw in as separate entities. If the afl does get an enhanced deal, good on them as it will help shape where we go next. In a funny having a strong competitor is good for both sports. Our advantage is the international presence.
The other advantage is our game isn’t shyte.
 
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AFL open to alternatives as McLachlan targets one last agreement

By Zoe Samios
April 17, 2022 — 8.00pm

TALKING POINTS
The AFL sent out expressions of interest for its broadcast rights earlier this month.
Streaming services and television networks will bid aggressively.
The 2017 to 2022 deal was worth $2.5 billion over six years between Foxtel, Telstra and Seven.
The AFL sent out expressions of interest to potential bidders for its broadcast rights weeks before the resignation of long-standing chief executive Gillon McLachlan, in a clear sign of its ambitions to secure a lucrative new agreement before the end of the year.

Industry sources familiar with the correspondence, who spoke anonymously, said letters were sent to the major commercial television networks and streaming companies about two weeks ago. The request to submit interest in the rights came after the AFL was made aware there were other parties who wanted to seriously contend with longstanding partners Seven West Media and Foxtel for the ability to broadcast the code.

The AFL broadcast rights are expected to be highly competitive.

An AFL spokesperson said the governing body did not comment on broadcast talks or negotiations.

McLachlan announced plans to retire from his position as CEO after eight years last week, but said he wanted to secure a new deal before his departure. It will be the third agreement struck since McLachlan took the helm, including a renegotiation which took place during 2020 when games were suspended because of COVID-19. The last long-term deal was worth $2.5 billion over six years between Telstra, Foxtel and Seven.

News Corp’s Melbourne masthead The Herald Sun wrote last week the AFL planned to strike a deal with Foxtel (majority owned by News Corp) and Seven West Media in the coming months. It said talks had already started with both parties on a new deal that would run for at least three years and that Foxtel would want more exclusivity in non-Victorian markets.

However, requests for expression of interest show the AFL is looking at its alternatives and weighing up what the Australian media industry has to offer when the next round of rights begin in 2025.

Nine Entertainment Co, the owner of this masthead, is one of several broadcasters expected to take a look at the rights. But any decision will be complicated by the fact Nine is the broadcast partner of the NRL and is required to air multiple games on its main channel each week. However, securing the rights would give Nine the opportunity to accelerate growth of its sports streaming platform, Stan Sport, which currently broadcasts international tennis events and the rugby union.

Amazon Prime Video’s local content boss Tyler Bern said last month that the streaming service would look at any rights that came into the market. Amazon Prime Video was behind the documentary Making Their Mark and is currently a broadcast partner for Swimming Australia. The global company has deep pockets and has also signalled an intent to try and acquire the rights to broadcast the Olympic Games.

Unlike Foxtel, Amazon and other streaming services are not prevented by law to bid for AFL games at the same time as free-to-air networks. However, television networks are strongly advocating for these laws to be extended to streaming services such as Amazon.

Paramount, which owns Network Ten, has not only launched in this market, but bought equity in the A-League as part of a $200 million rights deal acquired last year. Globally, Paramount’s focus is sport and news. It is also expected to bid aggressively for the AFL rights.

Existing broadcast partners Foxtel and Seven West Media have undergone dramatic structural change since the last major deal. Foxtel, which currently has a debt pile of almost $2 billion, has cut back costs and reduced staff count as it tries to become a pure internet-led streaming company and aggregator. Until last week it was considering publicly floating on the ASX, but a combination of market volatility and risk associated with expiring content deals have deterred investors.

The challenge it faces is the amount of money required for sports rights deals is not offset by the average revenue per user (ARPU) on its sports streaming service, Kayo Sports, while the cable TV business is in steady decline.

Free-to-air partner Seven West Media, controlled by billionaire Kerry Stokes, has also spent the last few years cutting back costs to pay down its debt. It is one of the few media companies in market that could be part of industry consolidation in the next few years.

These factors, as well as the upcoming rights negotiations for highly expensive sports such as the cricket, tennis and Olympics, will need to be considered by the television networks and the AFL during the process. Multiple industry observers say there is a slim chance the games could be split across multiple commercial television networks and streaming services. Before 2011, the rights were shared between multiple free-to-air broadcasters.

Any deal struck would provide the code with significant financial security. The revenue generated from over $500 million of broadcast rights per season allows the league to broker new pay deals with AFL and AFLW players. The AFL wants to schedule Thursday night football for most rounds next season and the Commission is also considering whether to air its Grand Final later in the day. Both changes could add value to the broadcast rights deals.

This has been an official AFLOL propaganda DEPT media release .
Lol
Anonymous & un named AFLOL spokesman .
So many lols
The usual we will write complete bullshit & hope no one questions us .
 

Billythekid

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to be fair, everyone does this when it comes to broadcast rights. Its netflix this, amazon that, stan might, paramount could etc etc.

This is true. Though to be fair as FTA ratings continue to drop and streaming continues grow the possibility of something like that happening is getting much bigger. It would be a big leap for either code to move away from the traditional 7/9 + fox and I’m not sure either are willing to risk it just yet. I do think as time goes on it’s becoming a realistic possibility rather than just BS rhetoric.
 

Perth Red

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There’ll always be a place for fta, it still generally rates higher than fox and ge rates decent advertising revenue, but it’s role and what it pays will will undoubtably be diminished. The real interesting battle for the future is between fox/kayo and other streaming services.
problem is these streaming services generate far less revenue per viewer than the old ptv model. How someone makes the figures work given that will be interesting to see.
Seeing a streaming service get the rights over fox would make my day!
if the time will be right for afl in 2024 to leverage this shift or if it will be nrl in 2028 time will tell.
 

Wb1234

Immortal
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AFL open to alternatives as McLachlan targets one last agreement

By Zoe Samios
April 17, 2022 — 8.00pm

TALKING POINTS
The AFL sent out expressions of interest for its broadcast rights earlier this month.
Streaming services and television networks will bid aggressively.
The 2017 to 2022 deal was worth $2.5 billion over six years between Foxtel, Telstra and Seven.
The AFL sent out expressions of interest to potential bidders for its broadcast rights weeks before the resignation of long-standing chief executive Gillon McLachlan, in a clear sign of its ambitions to secure a lucrative new agreement before the end of the year.

Industry sources familiar with the correspondence, who spoke anonymously, said letters were sent to the major commercial television networks and streaming companies about two weeks ago. The request to submit interest in the rights came after the AFL was made aware there were other parties who wanted to seriously contend with longstanding partners Seven West Media and Foxtel for the ability to broadcast the code.

The AFL broadcast rights are expected to be highly competitive.

An AFL spokesperson said the governing body did not comment on broadcast talks or negotiations.

McLachlan announced plans to retire from his position as CEO after eight years last week, but said he wanted to secure a new deal before his departure. It will be the third agreement struck since McLachlan took the helm, including a renegotiation which took place during 2020 when games were suspended because of COVID-19. The last long-term deal was worth $2.5 billion over six years between Telstra, Foxtel and Seven.

News Corp’s Melbourne masthead The Herald Sun wrote last week the AFL planned to strike a deal with Foxtel (majority owned by News Corp) and Seven West Media in the coming months. It said talks had already started with both parties on a new deal that would run for at least three years and that Foxtel would want more exclusivity in non-Victorian markets.

However, requests for expression of interest show the AFL is looking at its alternatives and weighing up what the Australian media industry has to offer when the next round of rights begin in 2025.

Nine Entertainment Co, the owner of this masthead, is one of several broadcasters expected to take a look at the rights. But any decision will be complicated by the fact Nine is the broadcast partner of the NRL and is required to air multiple games on its main channel each week. However, securing the rights would give Nine the opportunity to accelerate growth of its sports streaming platform, Stan Sport, which currently broadcasts international tennis events and the rugby union.

Amazon Prime Video’s local content boss Tyler Bern said last month that the streaming service would look at any rights that came into the market. Amazon Prime Video was behind the documentary Making Their Mark and is currently a broadcast partner for Swimming Australia. The global company has deep pockets and has also signalled an intent to try and acquire the rights to broadcast the Olympic Games.

Unlike Foxtel, Amazon and other streaming services are not prevented by law to bid for AFL games at the same time as free-to-air networks. However, television networks are strongly advocating for these laws to be extended to streaming services such as Amazon.

Paramount, which owns Network Ten, has not only launched in this market, but bought equity in the A-League as part of a $200 million rights deal acquired last year. Globally, Paramount’s focus is sport and news. It is also expected to bid aggressively for the AFL rights.

Existing broadcast partners Foxtel and Seven West Media have undergone dramatic structural change since the last major deal. Foxtel, which currently has a debt pile of almost $2 billion, has cut back costs and reduced staff count as it tries to become a pure internet-led streaming company and aggregator. Until last week it was considering publicly floating on the ASX, but a combination of market volatility and risk associated with expiring content deals have deterred investors.

The challenge it faces is the amount of money required for sports rights deals is not offset by the average revenue per user (ARPU) on its sports streaming service, Kayo Sports, while the cable TV business is in steady decline.

Free-to-air partner Seven West Media, controlled by billionaire Kerry Stokes, has also spent the last few years cutting back costs to pay down its debt. It is one of the few media companies in market that could be part of industry consolidation in the next few years.

These factors, as well as the upcoming rights negotiations for highly expensive sports such as the cricket, tennis and Olympics, will need to be considered by the television networks and the AFL during the process. Multiple industry observers say there is a slim chance the games could be split across multiple commercial television networks and streaming services. Before 2011, the rights were shared between multiple free-to-air broadcasters.

Any deal struck would provide the code with significant financial security. The revenue generated from over $500 million of broadcast rights per season allows the league to broker new pay deals with AFL and AFLW players. The AFL wants to schedule Thursday night football for most rounds next season and the Commission is also considering whether to air its Grand Final later in the day. Both changes could add value to the broadcast rights deals.

You’ve got to give it to the afl they know how to spin the bs better than anyone. Reading this article you would think they were the most popular sport on tv

you wouldn’t think their streaming or pay tv rights would be that valuable given they get trounced by the nrl.

when you look at the foztel ratings the nrl is getting underpaid by around 40 million pa which is going to the afl.

clearly the nrl is getting underpaid by pay tv and streaming and surely Stan could be looking at taking on the whole sport
 

Wb1234

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I’m interested to see where this goes as it will clear a path to our next deal. In particular it will encourage sound decision making around expansion and increasing game time slots. In an ideal world by 2028 we’ll have twenty teams including Perth a second nz and one other and will have origin and tests to throw in as separate entities. If the afl does get an enhanced deal, good on them as it will help shape where we go next. In a funny having a strong competitor is good for both sports. Our advantage is the international presence.
3 new teams in five years after the nrl just added the dolphins ? Lmao
 

Perth Red

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You’ve got to give it to the afl they know how to spin the bs better than anyone. Reading this article you would think they were the most popular sport on tv

you wouldn’t think their streaming or pay tv rights would be that valuable given they get trounced by the nrl.

when you look at the foztel ratings the nrl is getting underpaid by around 40 million pa which is going to the afl.

clearly the nrl is getting underpaid by pay tv and streaming and surely Stan could be looking at taking on the whole sport
Given the current games are worth about $50mill each you’d hope the ninth game would be able to achieve $30mill plus extra on the next deal.
 

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