2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yeh because adding the dolphins which apparently tv has been desperate for, brought us the sum to total of nothing. Maybe if we keep adding teams eventually tv might actually pay some more money? Another of those I told you so moments. I’ve said for years adding one club would add no value and low and behold……

I don't think it's fair to judge the value of The Dolphins on the suspicious deal V'landys signed with News Ltd. That's solely on him and proves he's either incompetent or corrupt. If we had a proper negotiator we would have got a lot more, with or without The Dolphins. Ch9/News Ltd were never going to pay the market rate when they were dealing with a clown who is incompetent on corrupt.

I think V'landys and News Ltd should be investigated to see if there's anything suspicious going on that influenced the deals.

 

[Diesel]

The bloke who is now the Logan mayor spoke about a decade ago about merging the Slacks Creek Lions, Springwood Tigers and Rochedale Tigers into a mega club and basing it out of Cronulla Park. He was a Councillor at the time. I contacted his office and left a message with his secretary, but he never responded.

Typical of these people. Only interested in public concerns during the lead up to an election.
Are the clubs interested in pushing forward with a merger? The demise of Wests Panthers hasn’t helped in the Indro/Centenary Suburbs area, although there is a junior club at Graceville

 

[Perth Red]

A recalculation now that I’ve had a look at radio rights.
Last deal afl got $10mill a year for 6 years. their radio rights are currently out to tender for,23-.nrl tv rights are included in the ch9 deal.
Telstra deal removed as not able to compare to equivalent nrl revenue for digital profit, telstra amount in afl 25- deal not yet known so presumed same as previous years

AFL
23-24
$473mill + ?$10mill radio = $483mill - Telstra $50mill = Total of $433mill

NRL
$402mill which includes radio rights

difference $31mill

25-27
AFL $643mill plus ?$10mill radio rights = $653mil - Telstra ?$50mill = total of $603mill

NRL
$402mill

difference $201mill

cash and contra splits not yet known.

 

[Wb1234]

Mate there is no way that they could lie to an extent that the headline figure is false. They had a public announcement with the stakeholders sitting on the side of them. What you are essentially arguing is fraud and collusion. That is Qanon stuff.

Regards the amount excluding contra it might be $550 million or slightly lower or higher. Either way it is a lot more than our deal

I suspect it’s a nine year deal and the real figure is 550 million padded with a whole lot of contra

gill has history here with fudging figures

we will see in a few years if they are swimming in extra cash like they claim or it’s all smoke and mirrors

I don’t blame all the afl trolls for believing but I’m surprised so many league fans have swallowed the bs and are now praising Gill when the reality is he was a very average leader who basically did nothing but continue on from demetriou

 

[Colk]

I suspect it’s a nine year deal and the real figure is 550 million padded with a whole lot of contra

gill has history here with fudging figures

we will see in a few years if they are swimming in extra cash like they claim or it’s all smoke and mirrors

I don’t blame all the afl trolls for believing but I’m surprised so many league fans have swallowed the bs and are now praising Gill when the reality is he was a very average leader who basically did nothing but continue on from demetriou

That’s the problem though. Even if it is $550m minimum that’s a whole lot more than our deal (over $100m more from 25’) on contracts that are locked in. We’re screwed .

I agree that Gil has been helped by predecessors and that they have inarguably been a better run sport than League for about 30 years but you can’t also suggest that Gil hasn’t just snookered V’Landys big time.

 

[Perth Red]

That’s the problem though. Even if it is $550m minimum that’s a whole lot more than our deal (over $100m more from 25’) on contracts that are locked in. We’re screwed .

I agree that Gil has been helped by predecessors and that they have inarguably been a better sport than League for about 30 years but you can’t also that Gil hasn’t just snooker V’Landys big time.

It’s hilarious that despite the offical announcement clearly stating what the duration and amount of the deal is this dullard still wants to create an alternative universe where it’s neither that amount or duration. He’s been watching too much dr strange lol

I wonder if there are nutcase fans on afl boards who say the nrl deal isnt really $400mill and isn’t really for 5 years?

 

[Wb1234]

That’s the problem though. Even if it is $550m minimum that’s a whole lot more than our deal (over $100m more from 25’) on contracts that are locked in. We’re screwed .

I agree that Gil has been helped by predecessors and that they have inarguably been a better run sport than League for about 30 years but you can’t also suggest that Gil hasn’t just snookered V’Landys big time.

550 million with a lot of contra isn’t that impressive imo

I wonder why the afl don’t breakdown the figures

it’s all just a lot of hot air

 

[Wb1234]

‘Without the NRL, there’d be no Foxtel’: V’landys defends broadcast deal against AFL riches

The ARL Commission chairman is under fire after the AFL announced a mammoth broadcast deal with Seven and Foxtel.

amp.smh.com.au

Webster doesn’t like vlandys much

the interesting bit is where vlandys said we will be rengotiating soon and they have a few surprises

I wonder which it will be

1. team 18
2. Monday night football
3. 4 x 25 minute quarters

if they did the latter it would result in a massive spike in their value

 

[Colk]

‘Without the NRL, there’d be no Foxtel’: V’landys defends broadcast deal against AFL riches

The ARL Commission chairman is under fire after the AFL announced a mammoth broadcast deal with Seven and Foxtel.

amp.smh.com.au

Webster doesn’t like vlandys much

the interesting bit is where vlandys said we will be rengotiating soon and they have a few surprises

I wonder which it will be

1. team 18
2. Monday night football
3. 4 x 25 minute quarters

if they did the latter it would result in a massive spike in their value

Webster is the best sports journalist working in Sydney

I don’t know how they could be renegotiating soon but let’s say hypothetically they know who they are picking for the 18th team (that worries me because it will be probably the Bears or something stupid) why wouldn’t you do this before the last broadcast deal was struck. Seriously does this guy not know how to negotiate?

 

[Perth Red]

Webster is the best sports journalist working in Sydney

I don’t know how they could be renegotiating soon but let’s say hypothetically they know who they are picking for the 18th team (that worries me because it will be probably the Bears or something stupid) why wouldn’t you do this before the last broadcast deal was struck. Seriously does this guy not know how to negotiate?

I was really surprised to see anyone even mention it, let alone ask Vlandys directly. good on him! I’d have liked him to ask why afl managed to claw back their covid losses and we didn’t and why expansion didn’t bring any extra cash in but still.

 

[Steel Saints]

Nz2

Ninth game

Monday night football

to be announced next year if the dolphins are doing well

this will ensue the nrl deal still remains ahead of the afl deal for a few more years at least until we do a long term deal

If the NRL brings in team 18 early, then you run the risk of the competition slipping to a lower standard. Also bringing back Monday Night Football is not a great idea, unless the NRL gets rid of the Thursday night game. Five nights of footy might be too much and you'll have more 5 day turnarounds for the players.

 

[Iamback]

If the NRL brings in team 18 early, then you run the risk of the competition slipping to a lower standard. Also bringing back Monday Night Football is not a great idea, unless the NRL gets rid of the Thursday night game. Five nights of footy might be too much and you'll have more 5 day turnarounds for the players.

That is the issue with those fools saying to just put teams in places like Adelaide to get more TV money, need to get the behind the scenes stuff sorted. Is 3 years after Dolphins enough?

Maybe 5. Still is in the next TV period

 

[The_Wookie]

I suspect it’s a nine year deal and the real figure is 550 million padded with a whole lot of contra

This is based entirely on...nothing?

The total agreement we are announcing today with our broadcast partners covers seven seasons from Season 2025 – until the end of the 2031 season and will deliver footy a financial return of $4.5 billion.

 

[Steel Saints]

That is the issue with those fools saying to just put teams in places like Adelaide to get more TV money, need to get the behind the scenes stuff sorted. Is 3 years after Dolphins enough?

Maybe 5. Still is in the next TV period

It all hinges on how the competition behaves itself next year. I know this year, there were a few dud teams like Tigers, Knights, Warriors, but you also had Brisbane finishing 9th with 13 wins and the Dragons coming in 10th position with 12 wins. In other years, both teams could've made the 8.

If the Dolphins don't effect the comp as much as far as lopsided results are concerned, then maybe the NRL could bring in team 18 a year or two early. My preference is for team 18 to be admitted in 2028.

However, here is a possible strategy:

If team 18 is brought in 2026 as an example, then it gives the NRL an opportunity to renegotiate within their existing deals with it's forever in a day broadcast partners in Nine/Fox, because there would be an extra game per round.

By the end of 2026, the NRL and Nine/Fox will see if there is any uptake of subscription numbers, possibly in Perth if they are admitted.

And then in the timeline of late 2026 to early 2027, the NRL could put it to tender. In this situation, the NRL would have proven subscription numbers in their new area and take it to tender, rather than speculative numbers.

 

[Iamback]

It all hinges on how the competition behaves itself next year. I know this year, there were a few dud teams like Tigers, Knights, Warriors, but you also had Brisbane finishing 9th with 13 wins and the Dragons coming in 10th position with 12 wins. In other years, both teams could've made the 8.

If the Dolphins don't effect the comp as much as far as lopsided results are concerned, then maybe the NRL could bring in team 18 a year or two early. My preference is for team 18 to be admitted in 2028.

However, here is a possible strategy:

If team 18 is brought in 2026 as an example, then it gives the NRL an opportunity to renegotiate with it's forever in a day broadcast partners in Nine/Fox, because there would be an extra game per round.

By the end of 2026, the NRL and Nine/Fox will see if there is any uptake of subscription numbers, possibly in Perth if they are admitted.

And then in the timeline of late 2026 to early 2027, the NRL could put it to tender. In this situation, the NRL would have proven subscription numbers in their new area and take it to tender, rather than speculative numbers.

No 2nd tier footy for the past 2 years, likely takes a season or 2 to catch up

That is it. NRL being on FTA in NZ on the back off a strong WC from them may see a huge growth over there and that is a clear team 18.

The next 2 years are a decent enough gap in the deals given the length of games etc, NRL does fall behind on the last 3 years of its deal - how far behind is the debate area.

2028-2031 is the unknown for NRL, Plenty of time to collect data to decide if 18 teams is viable and where to put it

 

[Colk]

That is the issue with those fools saying to just put teams in places like Adelaide to get more TV money, need to get the behind the scenes stuff sorted. Is 3 years after Dolphins enough?

Maybe 5. Still is in the next TV period

The fools, including me in this instance, are suggesting to at least have a plan or strategy which we have never had.

You know come out and say we want a team in Adelaide in 10 years time or a team in Perth in 5 years time, have another in NZ in whatever timeframe.

 

[Colk]

No 2nd tier footy for the past 2 years, likely takes a season or 2 to catch up

That is it. NRL being on FTA in NZ on the back off a strong WC from them may see a huge growth over there and that is a clear team 18.

The next 2 years are a decent enough gap in the deals given the length of games etc, NRL does fall behind on the last 3 years of its deal - how far behind is the debate area.

2028-2031 is the unknown for NRL, Plenty of time to collect data to decide if 18 teams is viable and where to put it

It is almost like people don’t want to heed lessons from what has happened. Or just ignore reports/data when they don’t like it.

Put another team in NZ or pick the Bears (shudder) for the 18th team and the deal won’t increase much at all. We’ll probably do it because we are Rugba Leeg though

 

[Colk]

It all hinges on how the competition behaves itself next year. I know this year, there were a few dud teams like Tigers, Knights, Warriors, but you also had Brisbane finishing 9th with 13 wins and the Dragons coming in 10th position with 12 wins. In other years, both teams could've made the 8.

If the Dolphins don't effect the comp as much as far as lopsided results are concerned, then maybe the NRL could bring in team 18 a year or two early. My preference is for team 18 to be admitted in 2028.

However, here is a possible strategy:

If team 18 is brought in 2026 as an example, then it gives the NRL an opportunity to renegotiate within their existing deals with it's forever in a day broadcast partners in Nine/Fox, because there would be an extra game per round.

By the end of 2026, the NRL and Nine/Fox will see if there is any uptake of subscription numbers, possibly in Perth if they are admitted.

And then in the timeline of late 2026 to early 2027, the NRL could put it to tender. In this situation, the NRL would have proven subscription numbers in their new area and take it to tender, rather than speculative numbers.

It is probably what they are going to do hence the “something up his sleeve” comment. I don’t agree with it because you are going to be massively underpaid for the period of time in which you have the 18th side.

 

[Steel Saints]

It is probably what they are going to do hence the “something up his sleeve” comment. I don’t agree with it because you are going to be massively underpaid for the period of time in which you have the 18th side.

My preference is this.

In the next two to three years, have ongoing dialogue and good relationship building with potential bidders such as Paramount and Amazon Prime. At around 2025 or 2026, announce Perth as the 18 team, who will come in the comp in 2028.

As for the 'significant gap years' of 2025-2027, the game just needs to cop it's medicine for dealing at the wrong time. Also bring in people in the commission who have experience in negotiating media rights and let PVL and a couple of others go. In 2025 or 2026, go through a tender process in the marketplace and give everyone an equal opportunity. And who knows, maybe for the first time, the game might find it's true value.

However, the NRL most likely will do this unfortunate scenario. PVL and majority of the commission will stay put. The NRL will be reactionary by bringing in an 18th team in a bit early, like 2026 into the comp. It may not be Perth, but it's beside the point.

The NRL will go back to the broadcasters saying that we are going to have an 18 team comp, with an extra game per week in the years 2026-2027. The NRL will be doing this as a way to reduce the gap.

However, Nine/Fox may renegotiate the existing contracts of '26- '27 to fit in an extra game, on the proviso that the NRL extends until 2032, another 5 years, and therefore not allowing the NRL to go through a tender process in the marketplace. Also the new contract is still significantly less than the AFL.

Nine and Fox will argue that they won't find a better deal elsewhere. NRL says ok. And then the commission along with Nine/Fox will triumphantly make it out to be the richiest media rights deal in the NRL's history.

And how sad would that be....

 

[Colk]

My preference is this.

In the next two to three years, have ongoing dialogue and good relationship building with potential bidders such as Paramount and Amazon Prime. At around 2025 or 2026, announce Perth as the 18 team, who will come in the comp in 2028.

As for the 'significant gap years' of 2025-2027, the game just needs to cop it's medicine for dealing at the wrong time. Also bring in people in the commission who have experience in negotiating media rights and let PVL and a couple of others go. In 2025 or 2026, go through a tender process in the marketplace and give everyone an equal opportunity. And who knows, maybe for the first time, the game might find it's true value.

However, the NRL most likely will do this unfortunate scenario. PVL and majority of the commission will stay put. The NRL will be reactionary by bringing in an 18th team in a bit early, like 2026 into the comp. It may not be Perth, but it's beside the point.

The NRL will go back to the broadcasters saying that we are going to have an 18 team comp, with an extra game per week in the years 2026-2027. The NRL will be doing this as a way to reduce the gap.

However, Nine/Fox may renegotiate the existing contracts of '26- '27 to fit in an extra game, on the proviso that the NRL extends until 2032, another 5 years, and therefore not allowing the NRL to go through a tender process in the marketplace. Also the new contract is still significantly less than the AFL.

Nine and Fox will argue that they won't find a better deal elsewhere. NRL says ok. And then the commission along with Nine/Fox will triumphantly make it out to be the richiest media rights deal in the NRL's history.

And how sad would that be....

That’s a very good prediction. It is why you wouldn’t add a side without it forming the basis of a new negotiation rather than re-negotiation of an existing contract.

In the latter you are giving all of the power to the broadcasters despite the fact that you are giving new additional content. The broadcasters would do exactly as you say - we will only give you extra money so long as you agree to extend the contract out. They know fully well then we don’t have the guts or long term vision to reject such a deal