2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[The_Wookie]

But you’ve added digital for afl and ignored the nrl digital revenue

lmao

Well yes, because the AFL actually sold that. The NRL didnt.

You cant claim you got money from someone you didnt sell to. You dont sell the rights, you dont get the rights money,

Can anyone confirm when the current NRL TV deal expires?

COVID reductions end this year for both the AFL and NRL.
The NRL extension ends at the end of 2027.
The AFL extension ends at the end of 2024. A new deal was signed that is 2025-2031 inclusive.

Until the afl are honest and tell us how much each network is paying them the the only way we can judge is look at the afl bottom line and whether funding to clubs and players not only goes back to pre covid levels, but actually surpasses them like the nrl does

the fact that they are still recovering from covid shows their cash revenues are still soft

right now financially the afl is around 3 to 5 years behind the nrl, and to get into the same position financially as the nrl is right now

where the governing body makes profits and all clubs make profits and the salary cap and club funding are at record levels

Right now financianlly, this entire post is rubbish.

 

[Wb1234]

Well yes, because the AFL actually sold that. The NRL didnt.

You cant claim you got money from someone you didnt sell to. You dont sell the rights, you dont get the rights money,



COVID reductions end this year for both the AFL and NRL.
The NRL extension ends at the end of 2027.
The AFL extension ends at the end of 2024. A new deal was signed that is 2025-2031 inclusive.



Right now financianlly, this entire post is rubbish.

Yes the afl sold it and the nrl didn’t

now take a deep breath and focus …

since the nrl didn’t sell it to Telstra they are making that income directly (via itself and the clubs)

so if you want to include that for the afl you need how much nrl digital and the clubs made from its websites to compare

I don’t know why you are making this difficult it’s a very very simple proposition

apples for apples comparison if not then take out the Telstra and focus on the tv deals only

 

[The_Wookie]

Yes the afl sold it and the nrl didn’t

now take a deep breath and focus …

since the nrl didn’t sell it to Telstra they are making that income directly (via itself and the clubs)

so if you want to include that for the afl you need how much nrl digital and the clubs made from its websites to compare

I don’t know why you are making this difficult it’s a very very simple proposition

apples for apples comparison if not then take out the Telstra and focus on the tv deals only

we're not going to agree in the methodology here. So rather than keep repeating the same argument over and over, Ill just move on.

 

[Iamback]

Can anyone confirm when the current NRL TV deal expires?

AFL one just done was 2025-2031
NRL is 2023-2027

So there is a few year crossover, Also a couple of years before it starts so will be curious if there any add ons done to NRL before then or hold off

 

[Wb1234]

No i dont. they werent sold. period. You cant add money to a sale you never made. Its just...in house revenue at that point. When you sell the rights, then come back to me.

Thanks for adding nothing to the debate

it’s the same revenue type lmao

the afl receives it from Telstra and the nrl directly

unless you come with something interesting I’m leaving this argument here it’s boring repeating myself over and over

 

[Iamback]

No i dont. they werent sold. period. You cant add money to a sale you never made. Its just...in house revenue at that point. When you sell the rights, then come back to me.

So the ad money from those sites stay with NRL?

 

[The_Wookie]

So the ad money from those sites stay with NRL?

the sites and revenues are owned and operated by the NRL.

for the AFl, the sites and revenues are owned and operated by Telstra.

 

[Wb1234]

So the ad money from those sites stay with NRL?

Not just the nrl

Telstra also run all the Afl club websites

so he needs to include not only nrl digital income but also all the money clubs receive too (which of course he didn’t)

 

[The_Wookie]

Thanks for adding nothing to the debate

it’s the same revenue type lmao

the afl receives it from Telstra and the nrl directly

unless you come with something interesting I’m leaving this argument here it’s boring repeating myself over and over

I agree. It is boring. Which is why i made the edit.

 

[Iamback]

Not just the nrl

Telstra also run all the Afl club websites

so he needs to include not only nrl digital income but also all the money clubs receive too (which of course he didn’t)

I don't think anyone is doubted the money paid, Just whether it should be included in TV rights

 

[Iamback]

the sites and revenues are owned and operated by the NRL.

for the AFl, the sites and revenues are owned and operated by Telstra.

Ahh yes... the NRL site that was being 'shutdown' is still here in 2022 making income

 

[The_Wookie]

Ahh yes... the NRL site that was being 'shutdown' is still here in 2022 making income

IIt was mostly closing down the news side of things. Never a question of closing it entirely.

Under the plans the NRL will move away from creating news-focused content and work more closely with Nine (which is the owner of this masthead) and News Corp-controlled Foxtel on joint projects. The NRL website will mainly feature highlights and short-form videos that entertain fans instead of breaking news.

NRL scales back digital arm following broadcaster pressure

The National Rugby League’s online website NRL.com will move way from publishing breaking news.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Wb1234]

I don't think anyone is doubted the money paid, Just whether it should be included in TV rights

So we now know the following about the Telstra mystery payments. It’s for

1. Upgrades to marvel
2. Sale of afl and clubs websites for Telstra exclusive use

against this the nrl digital takes its revenue for its site directly (there was a figure years ago of around 24 Mil) and the clubs run their own websites

given the nrls dominance on social media you would think they would be generating a lot of revenue from their social media presence which needs to be included in the comparison

 

[Iamback]

So we now know the following about the Telstra mystery payments. It’s for

1. Upgrades to marvel
2. Sale of afl and clubs websites for Telstra exclusive use

against this the nrl digital takes its revenue for its site directly (there was a figure years ago of around 24 Mil) and the clubs run their own websites

given the nrls dominance on social media you would think they would be generating a lot of revenue from their social media presence which needs to be included in the comparison

I know it shits me, Every video/Article on Panthers website I watch has an ad super loud beforehand.

I presume every club is the same, Team list days for example it is hundreds of thousands across the League.

 

[Iamback]

2028. The AFL deal starts in 2025. Essentially V’Landys is talking crap

4 out of 7 AFL years there is no NRL deal for, How is it crap?

 

[The_Wookie]

So we now know the following about the Telstra mystery payments. It’s for

1. Upgrades to marvel
2. Sale of afl and clubs websites for Telstra exclusive use

its almost like this was announced when the rights deal was announced or something.

Through this new deal Telstra will be building on their investment into Marvel Stadium and extending into innovation and our digital offerings through the AFL / AFLW apps and all 18 clubs’ websites.

Its broadly the same as the deal built into the extended deal from 2020-2024 for which they paid $50m a year

• Telstra will become Marvel Stadium’s official technology and innovation partner over the next four years, ensuring the revamped Marvel Stadium offers supporters the best digital experience of any stadium or entertainment venue in the country and ensuring supporters have the technology to connect them to the game they love.
• Telstra technology and connectivity will be deployed at Marvel over the next few years including fixed and 4G/5G networks upgrades, Artificial Intelligence, and mixed reality and edge computing. From booking a seat to parking to engaging with the game, attendees will soon be able to experience a new stadium experience before, during, and after they attend the game.
• Telstra will also expand its visual sponsorship elements such as on-field Telstra 5G signage, and continue the development of the AFL’s digital assets such as AFL.com.au, club websites and the AFL Official LIVE App. The updated sponsorship also deepens Telstra’s connections to AFL Clubs and extends the agreement with the AFL Players Association that engages all listed players as ambassadors for use in social marketing campaigns and other initiatives.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Contra is included in revenue,then removed as a cost in The account reporting lol
the “revenue” share with players is based on surplus made not on total revenue. The cap is set then the deal is any surplus nrl makes players get a cut of As a bonus.

did you miss the bit where I told you no nrl (or afl or any other sport) tv deal has EVER been announced as a cash only component? damn it’s hard to clutch them straws isn’t it? Lol

All he ever does is clutch at straws and derail the discussion to something irrelevant.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

BROADCAST BUNGLE

There is a view the AFL destroyed the NRL in TV rights broadcasting negotiations.

The AFL recently announced a seven-year, $4.5 billion deal between 2025-31, but V’landys scoffed at suggestions the NRL undervalued their product with Fox and Channel 9.

“It’s nonsense, the time periods (of the AFL and NRL broadcasting deals) are different for a start,” he said.

“The majority of the money they (the AFL) are getting is between 2027-31 ... we haven’t done a deal for those years yet, so how can people compare something when there is nothing to compare at the moment?

“People don’t understand that the AFL took a bigger cut than what we did during Covid from a broadcasting perspective.

“When the time is right, we will be looking at increasing our broadcast value.

“The AFL don’t do things better than us. We will beat them.”

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haha really Pete? Really? I know he’s trying to save his lucrative side job but does he think we are all stupid? Yeh they took a bigger covid cut, then got it all it back in 23/24.

no Pete they’ve got 5 years of significantly more funding than us and yes we have a deal in 2027 (does he know when our deal runs to even?)

when the time is right? Hahah what? When? Why we wasting time Pete?

yeh we’ll get more than their $590 odd million? not whilst you’re in charge matey.

To be fair, his lies have been accepted by @Iamback and @Wb1234. Those turkeys will believe anything he says.

 

[Iamback]

All he ever does is clutch at straws and derail the discussion to something irrelevant.

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/about/annual-reports/2021-nrl-annual-report.pdf

hmm lets see

$575m revenue of that

Payment to suppliers and employees $293m
Payment to clubs $243m
Take away the Lease payments

Gives you the profit that was announced,

So yes unless the clubs or players could be paid in ch9 commericals then contra isn't included in the revenue

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/about/annual-reports/2021-nrl-annual-report.pdf

hmm lets see

$575m revenue of that

Payment to suppliers and employees $293m
Payment to clubs $243m
Take away the Lease payments

Gives you the profit that was announced,

So yes unless the clubs or players could be paid in ch9 commericals then contra isn't included in the revenue

Did you bother to read it?

On p95 it says this:

2021 NRL Operating Expenditure (excluding COVID-19 related expenses) is $158.7m, up $39.8m due to an increase in revenue servicing costs inline with growth in revenue in both sponsorship and major events as well as increased Broadcast Contra expense (non-cash), reflecting the terms of the revised Broadcast Agreements.​