2nd Test: India v Australia at Bangalore Oct 9-13, 2010

[undertaker]

India 2/115 atm, needing 92 to win.

Can Australia repeat replicate their performance from the historic 3rd test of the 2001 series at Chennai? Needing 155 to win, India were 2/101 before Funky Miller, Dizzy and McGrath came to the party and Australia nearly stole an unlikely victory, with India just winning by 2 wickets?

 

[beads6]

You mean the 5 minutes he spent touring with the spinners in a week?

I'm not trying to bag him but he could and should really be doing more than he is, having a look at Smith for a day and telling everybody he is the goods when all knew he was is not helping he should coaching him and the others to keep the cycle going.

How do you know Warney isn't in contact with Smith?? Have CA offered Warney a full time job?? Would Warney working with the team sit well with Punter?? Warney is quite right to question the tactics of Punter IMO.

 

[lockyno1]

Warne has spent hours upon hours with Cullen Bailey this off season.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Lol Fast Eddie keep telling yourself losing to India is worse than losing to Bangladesh. India are the top ranked Test team in the world and Bangaldesh are far and away the worst of the teams with Test status in any form of the game until New Zealand takes that honour late next year.

I think you missed the point.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

How do you know Warney isn't in contact with Smith?? Have CA offered Warney a full time job?? Would Warney working with the team sit well with Punter?? Warney is quite right to question the tactics of Punter IMO.

Has Warne offered his services? He has a pretty full schedule playing poker and commentating and ofcourse he is within his right to criticise Ponting but I don't see Warne getting up and offering help.

 

[beads6]

Has Warne offered his services? He has a pretty full schedule playing poker and commentating and ofcourse he is within his right to criticise Ponting but I don't see Warne getting up and offering help.

Not sure why he has to offer help. I would imagine if he was asked to help he would be there with bells on. Pretty sure he deserves to relax in life a bit too.

 

[undertaker]

Maybe a 2-nil result brings about some changes?? I feel we are poorly prepared for the Ashes and need to make changes otherwise POW.

Well, if Australia lose this test, that will be 3 tests in a row that Australia will have lost. And if my statistics are correct, that will be the first time since December 1988 we have lost 3 tests in a row (last time was 1st, 2nd and 3rd tests against a champion West Indies lineup in the 1988/89 summer).

Yet, ANOTHER unwanted record we have achieved during Ponting's captaincy (along with a whole host of other ones, such as England breaking their 75 year drought against us at Lord's last year, Ponting becoming the first Australian captain in decades to lose two Ashes tours, highest losing totals (in tests and ODIS) and the list goes on).

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Why does he have to wait until he is asked? That discussion can round in circles all day it's just my opinion he should be giving back to people like Smith the way Jenner did for him but then again it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if what happened to the likes of Marsh and Lillee happened to him.

 

[hineyrulz]

Would be 5 years too late if he does, the most woeful captain Aust have ever sent onto the field.

:lol: Don't tell that to Skeepe, he's the greatest captain of all time. Just ask him :lol:

 

[lockyno1]

I find this hilarious..captaincy records in India

Gilchrist- Played 2, won 2

Ponting- Played 7, won 0!

HAHAHAHAH

 

[beads6]

I wonder how the Aussie media will carry on with a 2-nil result and the Ashes about to start?

 

[hineyrulz]

Well, if Australia lose this test, that will be 3 tests in a row that Australia will have lost. And if my statistics are correct, that will be the first time since December 1988 we have lost 3 tests in a row (last time was 1st, 2nd and 3rd tests against a champion West Indies lineup in the 1988/89 summer).

Yet, ANOTHER unwanted record we have achieved during Ponting's captaincy (along with a whole host of other ones, such as England breaking their 75 year drought against us at Lord's last year, Ponting becoming the first Australian captain in decades to lose two Ashes tours, highest losing totals (in tests and ODIS) and the list goes on).

Border used to cop it deluxe when we lost, with a young and inexperienced team. Against much stronger opposistion. But i bet we don't hear a peep from the media. The bloke is untouchable.......

 

[undertaker]

I find this hilarious..captaincy records in India

Gilchrist- Played 2, won 2

Ponting- Played 7, won 0!

HAHAHAHAH

Actually, Gilchrist captained the first 3 games of the 2004 series (2nd game was a draw, thanks to some brilliance from Damien Martyn), and then Ponting came back for the last match (which Australia lost)

But yeah, it is pretty amusing to think that Ponting may finish his captaincy career within a win in India. Maybe, like the 2013 Ashes, he might go around until the next Indian tour to break his drought?

 

[undertaker]

Border used to cop it deluxe when we lost, with a young and inexperienced team. Against much stronger opposistion. But i bet we don't hear a peep from the media. The bloke is untouchable.......

yeah, I think from between the Pakistan series of 83/84 and the '89 Ashes (5 1/2 year period), we only won ONE test series (against New Zealand in 1987). That was during the period when after the Pakistan series, we played 10 tests in a row against the West Indies (who were no.1 in the world at the time) and then afterwards, the Australian side was decimated by the Rebel Tours (cricket's equivalent of the Super League War, post-World Series era). It took us a very long time to recover from that and build the depth in the side back up again. I would say that our side (in terms of talent), on average, is better than the Australian side during that dark era, but the difference is that despite the talent in our side, too many players are underperforming and it will the only way changes are going to occur is if we lose the Ashes this summer. The Australian sectors could be a bit lenient when we lost the Ashes in England, but they definitely won't cop a HOME Ashes series loss (thus probably would be the icing on the cake in a list of unwanted records achieved during Ponting's captaincy, and after that, I highly doubt the selectors would stick with him. The end of his captaincy will also mean the end of his career in the national side)

But, regarding the the last time we lost 3 in a row (vs West Indies nearly 20 years ago), fair enough, we were up against a champion side of Richards, Ambrose, Marshall, Walsh etc. They were way too good for us.
In Ponting's case, it's very different. If you think about the losses, the one vs Pakistan at Headingley, we got bundled out in the 80s for the 1st innings (again, I think that was the lowest 1st innnings total by an Australian side for MANY years. I don't exactly remember when, have to do some research, but in my time following cricket, I don't ever remember sides during the Mark Taylor or Steve Waugh era achieving this feat), and as a result, we lose out first test to Pakistan since 1995. And then the last test, we should have NEVER lost that when we had India 8 down. Yes, Bollinger going off had a big impact and I believe we would've won if he stayed on bowling, but even with Bollinger off, Ponting's tactics were just like Mohammad Yousuf's in the 2nd test at the SCG earlier this year. Everytime Laxman (our nemesis) was on strike, Australia never looked like getting him out. You're not going to win test matches with all men out on the boundary and it was Ponting's poor captaincy tactics which completely took the pressure of India and allowed Laxman/Sharma to slowly by slowly edge their way towards victory.

 

[hineyrulz]

Hauri gets a wicket, that will secure him for the entire Ashes series now :crazy:

 

[Twizzle]

Hauri gets a wicket with a straight ball

when will these guys learn not to play for the spin batting against Hauri

 

[hineyrulz]

yeah, I think from between the Pakistan series of 83/84 and the '89 Ashes (5 1/2 year period), we only won ONE test series (against New Zealand in 1987). That was during the period where the Australian side was decimated by the Rebel Tours (cricket's equivalent of the Super League War post World Series era). It took us a while to recover from that and build the depth in the side back up again.

But, regarding the the last time we lost 3 in a row (vs West Indies nearly 20 years ago), fair enough, we were up against a champion side of Richards, Ambrose, Marshall, Walsh etc. They were way too good for us.
In Ponting's case, it's very different. If you think about the losses, the one vs Pakistan at Headingley, we got bundled out in the 80s for the 1st innings (again, I think that was the lowest 1st innnings total by an Australian side for MANY years. I don't exactly remember when, have to do some research, but in my time following cricket, I don't ever remember sides during the Mark Taylor or Steve Waugh era achieving this feat), and as a result, we lose out first test to Pakistan since 1995. And then the last time, we should have NEVER lost that when we had India 8 down. Yes, Bollinger going off had a big impact and I believe we would've won if he stayed on bowling, but even with Bollinger off, Ponting's tactics were just like Mohammad Yousuf's in the 2nd test at the SCG earlier this year. Everytime Laxman (our nemesis) was on strike, Australia never looked like getting him out. You're not going to win test matches with all men out on the boundary and it was Ponting's poor captaincy tactics which completely took the pressure of India and allowed Laxman/Sharma to slowly by slowly edge their way towards victory.

Agree with everything you say, he has taken us from number 1 in the world to number 4. And we are plummeting fast. What gets me is we lost the Ashes last year and not a word from anyone :? Sutherland comes out straight away and tell us what a great job he is doing, and a Nuffy like Neilsen gets a contract extention. Is there any accountability at all in Australian cricket????

 

[pantherz9103]

Well, if Australia lose this test, that will be 3 tests in a row that Australia will have lost. And if my statistics are correct, that will be the first time since December 1988 we have lost 3 tests in a row (last time was 1st, 2nd and 3rd tests against a champion West Indies lineup in the 1988/89 summer).

Yet, ANOTHER unwanted record we have achieved during Ponting's captaincy (along with a whole host of other ones, such as England breaking their 75 year drought against us at Lord's last year, Ponting becoming the first Australian captain in decades to lose two Ashes tours, highest losing totals (in tests and ODIS) and the list goes on).

Obviously he's got his problems but compare the current team and its bowling attack to teams of the past which had McGrath, Warne, Gillespie etc. The team for this test has an erratic Johnson, Hilfenhaus has been ok, George is a rookie and Hauritz is nothing special compared to Warne or even McGill. Then you have Watson who isn't bowling that much. The current team no longer strikes fear into opponents, although India never feared us on their home turf much anyway.

I don't expect much from the Australian cricket team with this kind of personnel. Bollinger is sorely missed and several of the batsmen are old and past it. Still expect us to lift on home soil for the Ashes on better wickets than in India.

 

[undertaker]

Just to confirm, that 88 in the 1st innings vs Pakistan at Leeds was our lowest test innings in 26 years (against the West Indies (76) at Perth, 1984). I'd like to think that the Pakistan bowlers that day were in the same league as Michael Holding, Joel Garner and Malcolm Marshall were in that test match, but to say that would be an utter lie. We just batted crap, simple as that

 

[Pete Cash]

The only proven "world class" player in the Australian side is Ponting himself. I think it is harsh to throw it all on Ponting's door step. What is the fundamental issue is the lack of improvement in certain areas. The inability to play swing bowling is a gigantic and rather worrying problem.

I put a lot of it down to the lost characteristics of Australian wickets. They all just play like sh*t now so as soon as they have to bat on a wicket more challenging they cannot handle it.

The Australian middle order is outright disgraceful. North and Hussey need to be dropped. Hauritz cannot bowl out a side he needs to go too. I would rather lose test matches while playing some young talented guys then lose tests playing no hopers like North.

We couldn't win in India at the best of times. It is the continual sh*thouse batting against anyone who can make the ball wobble in the air that is issue number 1.