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3rd Ashes Test: Australia v England @ MCG Dec 26-30, 2021

Smug Panther

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JJ said:
Saw all the wickets today… just wow, pretty much pathetic against some quality pace bowling in a helpful deck

Bairstow very unlucky, terrible decision and DRS is ridiculous…. But he probably wouldn’t have seen out the over…. Starc, Cummins and Boland were relentless, England hopeless
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They played like a side full of Brendan McCullum's in a world cup final
 
jargan83

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More fun stats from Cricinfo:


Lowest first innings lead for a team to win by an innings:
46 - ENG (246) vs NZ (200 & 26) in 1955, Auckland
74 - WI (392) vs ENG (318 & 51) in 2009, Kingston
82 - AUS (267) vs ENG (185 & 68) in 2021, Melbourne
87 - WI (218) vs PAK (131 & 77) in 1986, Lahore
 
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BunniesMan said:
The state of English cricket. Their best bowler is nearly 40. They have just one above average test batsman. They don't have anything close to a test standard spinner. They're picking blokes who average 30 odd with the bat in County cricket because the depth is that thin.
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England are too obsessed with white ball cricket including selecting white ball cricket players - Big difference between the 3 formats as far as batting/bowling and fielding goes.

You might be able to thump the ball to all parts of the ground and over the fence in 50 over and especially 20 over games but in Tests you have to build an innings and bat for long periods sometimes not scoring many runs.

The poor batting technique and the lack of ability of these players to bat for long periods is found out in tests especially when you hear they hardly play county cricket if ever once they are in the test squad.

Ditto for Australian players who hardly play Sheffield Shield as well -

Certainly all test teams including Australia need to look at the preparation for not only home but overseas series/tours - playing warm up games before and between tests is a must including local players playing 1st class cricket - ie Sheffield Shield / County Cricket.

Ashes tours used to be 3 months or more - 2 or so games( a 3 day and 4 day game) before the 1st test and 2 weeks between tests where a 3 day and 4 day game would be played.

Now it's one or so games before the 1st test and then hardly another tour game between the tests.

Hard for players either batters or bowlers to come into a test side having not played any red ball cricket for some time- net batting and or bowling is no substitute for actual match play.

I think one the English players - Crawley ? - hadn't played any red ball cricket for over 3 months - how would he be expected to perform with no recent red ball cricket form?
 
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Mr Spock!

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marshall stalin said:
England are too obsessed with white ball cricket including selecting white ball cricket players - Big difference between the 3 formats as far as batting/bowling and fielding goes.

You might be able to thump the ball to all parts of the ground and over the fence in 50 over and especially 20 over games but in Tests you have to build an innings and bat for long periods sometimes not scoring many runs.

The poor batting technique and the lack of ability of these players to bat for long periods is found out in tests especially when you hear they hardly play county cricket if ever once they are in the test squad.

Ditto for Australian players who hardly play Sheffield Shield as well -

Certainly all tests teams including Australia need to look at the preparation for not only home but overseas series/tours - playing warm up games before and between tests is a must including local players playing 1st class cricket - ie Sheffield Shield / County Cricket.

Ashes tours used to be 3 months or more - 2 or so games( a 3 day and 4 day game) before the 1st test and 2 weeks between tests where a 3 day and 4 day game would be played.

Now it's one or so games before the 1st test and then hardly another tour game between the tests.

Hard for players either batters or bowlers to come into a test side haven't not played any red ball cricket for some time- net batting and or bowling is no substitute for actual match play.

I think one the English players - Crawley ? - hadn't played any red ball cricket for over 3 months - how would he be expected to perform with no recent red ball cricket form?
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Dude, how are players supposed to play the real cricket in the IPL if they have to go on some sidetracked tour for 3 months?
 
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Thing is, where the f**k do England even go from here?

The middle order is probably not as bad as it's looked, they just refuse to pick and stick. Malan, Root, Pope, Stokes, Bairstow and Buttler are all at least up to international cricket. Foakes always looked pretty good too They need to pick a 3-7 and stand by it.

The openers are all garbage. Quite literally. I do t follow the County stiff much anymore but social pages are throwing out Malan as an option so clearly there mustn't be a lot back home. Can a guy like Ollie Pope open? Or maybe Foakes?

Root can't be captain after this series. He's not up to it. Stokes is a great option for line and seems like the guy who relishes that stuff too.

The attack is ok. But Broad and Anderson are a thousand and Wood is very breakable. Still, plenty of decent bowlers in England. They desperately need a spinner. There's wraps.on Parkinson, why not chuck him in and give him 15 matches? Can't be worse than Leach/Bess/Crane...
 
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Mr Spock! said:
Dude, how are players supposed to play the real cricket in the IPL if they have to go on some sidetracked tour for 3 months?
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Not many players can excel at the three forms of cricket so selectors need to pick horses for courses as they say.

A number of the England Batters are purely white ball players so trying to turn them into test players is obviously not working as they don't have the technique for the long form of the game.

England need to find players in their county cricket system who can bat long periods.

I think it was Buttler in the last over before tea trying to hit Lyon out of the ground - must have been thinking it was over 20 of a T-20 match.

If you get a good ball and get a nick and caught behind or in slips that's bad luck but it's not bad luck if you contribute to you own dismissal by such a rash shot.

Better letting them play all those tournaments around the world and Internationals in that format for England if form warrants it but select players with the required test match techniques in batting for their test side.
 
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marshall stalin

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Bazal said:
Thing is, where the f**k do England even go from here?

The middle order is probably not as bad as it's looked, they just refuse to pick and stick. Malan, Root, Pope, Stokes, Bairstow and Buttler are all at least up to international cricket. Foakes always looked pretty good too They need to pick a 3-7 and stand by it.

The openers are all garbage. Quite literally. I do t follow the County stiff much anymore but social pages are throwing out Malan as an option so clearly there mustn't be a lot back home. Can a guy like Ollie Pope open? Or maybe Foakes?

Root can't be captain after this series. He's not up to it. Stokes is a great option for line and seems like the guy who relishes that stuff too.

The attack is ok. But Broad and Anderson are a thousand and Wood is very breakable. Still, plenty of decent bowlers in England. They desperately need a spinner. There's wraps.on Parkinson, why not chuck him in and give him 15 matches? Can't be worse than Leach/Bess/Crane...
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It is quite easy to fix though.

Less obsession with white ball cricket and selecting these players thinking they can play all 3 formats and succeed.

Identify potential test cricket players and select an extended squad of players who have to play county cricket on a regular basis who also receive the relevant coaching and training in improving their game for the longer format.

The above doesn't mean that players wont be able to play in white ball tournaments around the world but if they want to be selected for test series squads they have to play county cricket long form as well.

I know it was hard with COVID but better preparations for tours in playing warm up games pre tests and between tests to acclimitise to the conditions and also for team selections if players have to be brought into the team to replace players who are injured or dropped.

No use bringing players into the team who haven't played any red ball cricket for 3 months- If you play tour games between tests these players would have current red ball game experience at least.
 
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Just watched the mini to catch up on this morning...so help me I started to like Scott Boland.

Just absolutely no fuss or fancy shit when he got 5 or 6, wanted none of the attention, just pumped to be there. I might need to go back and watch his international white ball efforts to re-instill some proper Victorian disdain
 
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