3rd Test: Australia V. Panikstan, 14 Jan Bellreive Oval

[yappy]

The way Haddins going I reckon we'll declare before tea.

How good is Haddin to watch when he's going?

 

[TheParraboy]

I reckon North will finish on a well compiled 35 not out when we finally declare on 575 or so ....

 

[HevyDevy]

Shut up Kev.

 

[TheParraboy]

Johnson in, hopefully some fireworks

one 6 plonking on kevin rudds forehead would be nice

 

[yappy]

Jinxed Haddo, and Ponting doesn't declare early enough to save North.

Pretty handy ball from Asif first up in a new spell, but North is in a bad place.

 

[skeepe]

He is the best captain on Bellerive Oval today, but he isn't as good as Tubby and S.Waugh. Fact.

Statistics would seem to suggest otherwise.

 

[TheParraboy]

Statistics would seem to suggest otherwise.

Statistics will also tell you he is the captain who couldnt defend the highest score in a ODI, and couldnt prevent the highest run chase in a test match after setting the total.

Also statisitcs tell you he was the 1st captain in 100 years to lose back to back ashes in england

He will never go down as the best captain of all time, period.

Statistically look at the percentages, still has a way to go to beat Tugger

 

[TheParraboy]

Haurie going the tonk

 

[TheParraboy]

8/519 dec.

Pakistan need 320 to avoid the follow on

Good batting deck, if they put their collective heads down, they could score 450 plus

 

[HevyDevy]

Statistics would seem to suggest otherwise.

So what you're saying is that you don't actually have an opinion. Statistics tell you what to think. Well, the ones you pay attention to at least.

Interesting.

 

[skeepe]

So what you're saying is that you don't actually have an opinion. Statistics tell you what to think. Well, the ones you pay attention to at least.

Interesting.

No, I have an opinion. Luckily the statistics back it up.

I've never really rated Waugh that highly though to be honest. I thought he was too selfish as a captain and hung on too long. Taylor as well made some pretty awful decisions in his time.

Difference is, we tend to remember Ponting's bad decisions more as they're fresher in our minds, and he doesn't have the team of superstars anymore that bailed out both Waugh and Taylor many times.

 

[HevyDevy]

That's your opinion and you're allowed to be one of the very few to share it.

 

[Big Pete]

Taylor was such an average captain.

Much prefered Waugh.

 

[TheParraboy]

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Difference is, we tend to remember Ponting's bad decisions more as they're fresher in our minds, and he doesn't have the team of superstars anymore that bailed out both Waugh and Taylor many times.

Bullsh*t

Being involved in consecutive away ashes series loses for the 1st time in 100 years, highest ODI score but losing, highest test chase loss are all stats that will pernamently stay on record until its over taken

 

[Red Bear]

Statistics would seem to suggest otherwise.

What, like Steve Waugh having a much higher winning percentage than Ponting? Those statistics?

Taylor was not an average captain at all, he was a very good captain and good thinker, although his weakness was the sides slackening off a bit once a series was won, as opposed to the Steve Waugh era when they were just ruthless. There is a reason Taylor was retained during and awful 2-3 years of bad form from him. I think Waugh had a better side around him which helped his record as opposed to Taylor, and Waugh was definately the better player.

 

[JJ]

Statistics would seem to suggest otherwise.

no they don't, as others have pointed out...

Ponting is no strategist, he's a poor version of Waugh, who was a great leader but not a great cricket tactician... Taylor clearly the best Australian captain-strategist of recent time...

Pretty obviously the likes of Fleming and perhaps Vaughan have been better captains than Waugh or Ponting

 

[Bazal]

Not true...Fleming was a very good tactician but not a good leader IMO, and Vaughan was pretty much terrible. Fleming was probably the equal of Waugh, not better.

All of them were better than Ponting though

 

[hineyrulz]

Pakis looking pretty untroubled ATM, so a wicket is probably around the corner.

 

[hineyrulz]

Vaughan wasn't that great a skipper, outhinking someone like Ponting isn't that hard to do. Fleming did an excellent job with what he had.

 

[TheParraboy]

I think Mike Brearley was a terrific captain...