4th Ashes Test, Boxing Day @ the MCG

[JJ]

never said I loved him, just pointing out his average

we've had alot of openers since Hildich who haven't averaged 50, which pretty much proved you wrong

perhaps, but none with a tecnique as obviously limited as Hughes... time will tell - if they keep playing on roads he'll keep a decent average...

 

[Fast Eddie]

He only avarages 44 in test cricket and thats going to keep dropping so I guess you're talking FC cricket. He definitely deserves more chances at test match level but from what I've seen I'm not sure how well he will go against the top 3 or 4 bowling attacks in the world, I reckon over a period of time he will be an opener who average about high 30's/40 because when he gets in I could see him flaying a 100's but with a lot of failures in there.

 

[JJ]

He only avarages 44 in test cricket and thats going to keep dropping so I guess you're talking FC cricket. He definitely deserves more chances at test match level but from what I've seen I'm not sure how well he will go against the top 3 or 4 bowling attacks in the world, I reckon over a period of time he will be an opener who average about high 30's/40 because when he gets in I could see him flaying a 100's but with a lot of failures in there.

about right I reckon...

 

[Evenflow]

He only avarages 44 in test cricket and thats going to keep dropping so I guess you're talking FC cricket.

True that. He was averaging 51 before last game and that dropped to 44 now. He's only averaging 14 against the Poms as well so i think it's fair to say they have hime worked out. It'll be interesting to see what the selectors will do for Sydney if he fails again at the G, especially if the series is still alive.

I'm not ready to throw him on the scrap heap just yet because he does have some talent but i just don't think he's the great white hope like many would like to think he is.

 

[madunit]

Mate, you need to change the meds. Hilf bowled tidily enough (I assume you mean WACA not Gabba), but the reason we took 20 wickets was firstly Johnson rediscovered line and length at the same time he rediscovered inswing, and secondly Harris was in the side to back that up with some quality bowling. Hilfenhaus cannot continue to fail to take wickets. Copeland for one can keep it just as tight, but also gets em out. A bowler who doesn't take his fair share of wickets very soon finds themself out of the team.

If Hilf leaked runs and the strike was able to freely and regularly rotate when he bowled, a lot of those wickets wouldn't have been taken.

He kept one end tight, restricted runs, and soon enough the poms started to feel the pressure and started to chase runs. Knowing they couldn't get the runs off Hilfenhaus they looked for opportunities which weren't there against the bowlers at the other end, and consequently got out.

I'm not taking anything away from Johnson and Harris' bowling, it was great and where it should have been from ball one of the first innings we bowled in this series.

I wouldn't remove Hilfenhaus, Siddle proved to be more erratic, couldn't get a wicket and leaked runs.

 

[JJ]

Siddle was only marginally more expensive than Hilfenhaus... 2.77 vs 2.52 RPO then 2 vs 1.6

Haven't seen any decent analysis, but I'd expect that the difference was largely because he made the batsmen play more... Hilfenhaus started the ball outside off, and swung it from his hand away - they were content to leave him a lot of the time...

Toss the coin to see which one you leave out - but I wonder whether Ponting will want 4 quicks and SMith again, is this Beer fellow likely to do much?

 

[yappy]

You won't get an argument from me that Siddle should be behind Hilfenhaus. But Siddle has one thing in his favour - he has proven that when the stars align he can take a bag full. Hilfenhaus on the other hand just hasn't run through a side even in the Shield.

But to claim Notches wicket's especially in the first dig had anything at all to do with what was going on up the other end is tripe. Maybe on other days, but it wouldn't have mattered if the bowler up the other end was going for 12 an over, that spell from Johnson would have cut a swathe through any line up you care to name. And you know I'm no fan of Johnson. Harris we have both agreed is one of the best bowlers in the country atm and his work was outstanding also. He would have taken wickets irrespective of what was going on elsewhere, but it was that magic spell from Johnson in the first dig that opened up the Pommy top order and exposed them. The match was won in that 4 wicket spell and it was all Johnson bowling near unplayable balls. Hilfenhaus was a bit player at best.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

He only avarages 44 in test cricket and thats going to keep dropping so I guess you're talking FC cricket. He definitely deserves more chances at test match level but from what I've seen I'm not sure how well he will go against the top 3 or 4 bowling attacks in the world, I reckon over a period of time he will be an opener who average about high 30's/40 because when he gets in I could see him flaying a 100's but with a lot of failures in there.

Which is f**k all so pipe down please.

 

[Fast Eddie]

Well the only times you would have seen him bat more then me is for NSW which isn't against international quality attacks. Seem you are unable to discuss cricket without a lot of bias or abusing people for differing opinions because they don't hold that bias. Pretty pathetic really.

 

[JJ]

apparently the rule is if you aren't a NSW sychophant, you're not welcome...

Also, apparently, posters here are under the delusion that Australian domestic cricket is of a standard that makes others go weak at the knees - it was, 5 or so years ago...

 

[Fast Eddie]

Their dometic cricket standard was amazing 5-10 years ago. Now I reckon like I said in another thread that for a batsman you've got to average very close to 50 to be considered surely. It's like over here I don't think unless you have average 40+ in domestic cricket then you shouldn't be in the NZ side and over there there would be a better standard of pitches, no real spinners to worry about and not unbelievable fast bowling stocks. Not that we have any of that here either...

 

[yappy]

Uzi named as the standby for Punter but Ricky will play.

 

[hineyrulz]

At least he is next in line, Ponting would be to scared not to play becuase if Uzie gets a crack and does well even more pressure will be on Ponting.

 

[Jono1987]

Forget Ponting feeling the pressure, if Uzi (love it btw) scores heavily Hughes would have to be a touch worried.

 

[Tonearm Terrorwrist]

Well the only times you would have seen him bat more then me is for NSW which isn't against international quality attacks. Seem you are unable to discuss cricket without a lot of bias or abusing people for differing opinions because they don't hold that bias. Pretty pathetic really.

Neither was his destruction of NZ but it still counts. Did you happen to watch his twin hundreds against the best pace attack in the world early 2009? Then there were his hundreds in country cricket just before the 2009 Ashes proving he can do it in England aswell. One bad test and he is dropped because we needed cover for Johnson. Time to pipe down Kiwi.

You don't have a differing opinion just an invalid one. Kiwis trying to be the "voice of reason" because it goes against the majority when not knowing sh*t about what they're talking about. Focus on NZ cricket for a change

 

[IanG]

Talk that we will ask the MCG curator to prepare a green top so we can go in with 4 quicks and negate Swan.

If we do I'd rather the rug in for Siddle but I'm sure our selectors will see him play on his home ground.

 

[TheParraboy]

Hope Strauss wins the toss again and bats this time

 

[lockyno1]

Thank god. Lets be honest the Poms did the same thing at the Oval last time, so why the hell shouldn't we prepare a greentop! Our pace attack (or any attack we have) won't take 20 wickets on a spinners paradise so why should we prepare one!

 

[TheParraboy]

Thank god. Lets be honest the Poms did the same thing at the Oval last time, so why the hell shouldn't we prepare a greentop! Our pace attack (or any attack we have) won't take 20 wickets on a spinners paradise so why should we prepare one!

next year all will be roads, cause want india wants, india gets

 

[Matt23]

next year all will be roads, cause want india wants, india gets

They playing a 3 test series?, lemme guess, Adelaide, MCG & SCG? aka the 3 biggest roads