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Action must be taken to stop the AFL killing league

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n-western-sydney/story-e6frg7mf-1226114051763

The stats that prove rugby league has nothing to fear in western Sydney

Brent Read
From: The Australian
August 13, 2011 12:00AM


ANDREW Hill is sitting in a restaurant outside NRL headquarters in Sydney's eastern suburbs, but the conversation has drifted to Penrith, deep in the heart of western Sydney and home to arguably the most coveted piece of sporting real estate in the country.

More specifically, Hill - the NRL's league integration and game development manager - is talking about the number of children signed to play under sixes in the Penrith district this season. Remarkably, the figure has risen 11 per cent on last year. If the battle between the AFL and NRL is about hearts and minds, then this is clear evidence - some would say - that rugby league is more than holding its own.

In Penrith at least, parents aren't dragging their kids out of the rugby league and sending them to the AFL. They haven't fallen under the spell of Greater Western Sydney coach and AFL legend Kevin Sheedy. They haven't been lured across the football divide by the AFL's multi-million-dollar outlay on former rugby league star Israel Folau.

If western Sydney truly is a battlefield, than the statistics emanating from Penrith suggest the NRL has suffered little to no damage thus far. They're not the only statistics Hill can quote to state his case. Participation numbers in the Parramatta district are up 10 per cent.

Hill doesn't present the statistics to boast. Nor does he dismiss the AFL's presence. But while others insist the sky is falling in western Sydney, Hill is confident rugby league is in good enough shape to weather the storm.

"A figure of 11 per cent growth in the under sixes indicates to me that mums and dads, boys and girls living in that area still want to play rugby league in a time of unprecedented growth and competition in the market-place," Hill says.

"It's hard to argue against those figures and the popularity of our sport."

Hill knows western Sydney and he knows GWS. He played for Parramatta and was involved in rugby league in the area for years before being targeted by GWS to help establish the club in western Sydney. Earlier this year the NRL convinced him to return to rugby league.

Ask him where the code is in "jeopardy or danger" and Hills says: "I don't know if they're two words that would describe western Sydney for us. There's 23,000 kids every weekend who have their mum and dad take them to a venue in western Sydney to play, with an army of volunteers across 90 clubs, over 1500 teams.

"They're highly impressive figures that are the envy of other sports. In western Sydney we have been doing that year in, year out. Year after year we continue to expand the game.

"Western Sydney is such an important market in the Australian sporting landscape at the moment. We have never had that focus on it. Obviously there is a new code coming in trying to establish what rugby league has had in the area for 100 years.

"Of course, they're going to bring more attention to themselves. They're a well-resourced sport, well run and are very good at promoting what they do.

"Their focus is to initially develop a relationship with western Sydney. A lot of what they're trying to do is to start relationships that rugby league and other codes have had in the area for decades.

"Our game has to continue to work on those relationships."

The NRL's positive outlook on western Sydney comes as some within the code warn the game needs to do more. The most outspoken critic has been Penrith general manager Phil Gould, who only last Sunday used his newspaper column to claim the NRL had left the game vulnerable to the AFL in the region.

Hill has already spoken to Gould about the NRL's plans for western Sydney and he hopes the pair can work together. Gould says he has a strategic plan for the region, but he has not shared it with Hill or the NRL. His acrimonious relationship with NRL chief executive David Gallop hasn't helped the situation.

If Gould has a plan he believes can work, why not let the NRL see it? Why not work with the NRL? Gould may keep his plan under wraps until the independent commission takes control of the game on November 1. But if the game is in the dire straits he suggests, why give the AFL another three months when he could have the answer in his hands

Hill will continue his work regardless, trying to improve on the 23,000 juniors already playing rugby league in the west.

"It's been called a heartland of rugby league but it's a heartland of sport for this state," Hill says.

"It's an important area for rugby league. We have four premiership clubs there. There will be 2.2 million people living in greater western Sydney within 10 years so it's a huge population.

"Our game is growing every year. We probably do so much more in the area and need to promote ourselves a bit better in some of the things we do out there."
 

Loudstrat

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:clap: Exactly.

If AFL is increasing it's presence simply to get involved in kids sport, to give kids that are for some reason disenfranchised with League or Soccer (or union, hockey or anything else) then I applaud it. But it isn't. They are looking at the juniors only as a fuel to supply the GWS AFL team - both in terms on player talent and crowd support.

Dont get me wrong, kids are trying AFL. They are up here, but too often for them the kids play a few games and then wonder "Why am I doing this?". One of my boys had a mate who was heavily influenced by his Victorian uncle and genius mother to play AFL, and they put pressure on my lad to follow suit (he had already given League and Soccer a go). I said to him that it was his choice, but reminded him that he doesnt really follow the sport, and he should do what he wants to do regardless of what pressure he gets. He didnt in the end. Another mate did join, and now wonders why.

Why do they wonder why? Simply because AFL is not part of our social psyche. We all know it's there - we have been getting it rammed down our throats for decades. They threw Lew Richards and Ron Barassi at us when the Swans came up. They called Barassi the Super Coach (Barassi was a credible bloke, intelligent, talented, respectful. And not a patch on Jack Gibson). Now they throw Sheedy, a poorer version of Barassi mixed with the arrogance of Steve Visard, the stupidity of Mark Jackson and the senility of Bruce Ruxton, a zilloin dollars with a slick marketing campaign and the same attitude of Cortez when he landed in South America, saw a billion Inca decendents and proclaimed the place was empty.

GWS, train at Blacktown, marketed at Blacktown, claim to be Blacktown, active in keeping NRL clubs away from Blacktown, dominating sporting news in Blacktown, throwing money planting four stick at ovals in Blacktown, self appointed as the sporting saviours of Blacktown. Live in Canada Bay, play at Homebush.

That falsehood swept-under-the-carpet tactic might work in Queensland, but it is easily detected by the very accurate bullsh*t meters in Blacktown.

6 months ago I was in Blacktown. I entered a sports store in Westpoint. There was Parra and Penrith gear everywhere, and the owner made it very obvious that they were Dragons supporters. GWS? Nothing.

The AFL's Independent Commission has given them the most horrible investment advice in living memory. Worse even than "Invest in the great Synagogue Building Program" in Germany in 1936. Worse than canned wine. Worse than the Leyland P76. Worse than life membership of the Adelaide Rams. Worse than "How to win a grand final" by Brian Smith.

This makes me worry about our Independent Commission, but at least we have areas that WANT an team.
 

POPEYE

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Throwing money at something will not change attitudes. AFL have been throwing money at Western Sydney since the Super League days. Remember the days when they spent around $4 million from memory in Campbelltown on increasing schoolkid numbers? If you dont - that's telling you something.


Wow - you did it. A good post!

However, if there is a bottomless pit of sport available, why will AFL succeed to entice these African refugee's kids when others cannot? If there was one sport they could relate to, it's soccer, so that would be their first choice of they are going to seek their outlets through organised sport. The second would be influences from school. They go to school and kids will ask them "So, who do you support?" and start yacking about NRL, because of the 2 winter boys sports that carry favour in the western suburbs are soccer (in terms of kids player numbers) and League (in terms of interest).

Unless AFL pays heaps of schoolkids to start talking about AFL all the time to their mates, the African refugees kids probably wont know it exists.

Offering heaps of money to get people to eat a turd doesnt mean people will eat a turd.

Besides, first generation kids generally get jobs at the same rate as anyone else with similar education and abilities.

Finally, having worked with refugees (as colleagues and clients) generally they raise their kids to be extremely grateful for what they have here, and to work hard to make a go of it.

It doesn't matter how good a family kids come from if they're allowed to get bored. The simple fact is that bored kids, especially refugees, tend to gather in like minded groups.

The Vietnamese, Lebanese and Islanders all do it and there are serious gang problems amongst the many good folk from these places.

I know because a couple of serious trouble making mates of mine from the distant past became social workers after seeing the error of their ways and they do this tattooed, bearded, leather jacket, listening thing with kids.

They know what people want to disregard and it's worrying. They assure me that sport is their best ally.

The more options the better chance of creating interest. These blokes hope all sports get optimum promotion
 

RHCP

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This makes me worry about our Independent Commission, but at least we have areas that WANT an team.
This is exactly why the AFL 'invasion' doesn't worry me one bit.

The AFL has to artificially create a team, then somehow drum up interest. There's groups fighting tooth and nail to be admitted into the NRL. Dots in the map are important, but at least in rugby league these dots want our sport.
 

Loudstrat

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It doesn't matter how good a family kids come from if they're allowed to get bored. The simple fact is that bored kids, especially refugees, tend to gather in like minded groups.

The Vietnamese, Lebanese and Islanders all do it and there are serious gang problems amongst the many good folk from these places.

I know because a couple of serious trouble making mates of mine from the distant past became social workers after seeing the error of their ways and they do this tattooed, bearded, leather jacket, listening thing with kids.

They know what people want to disregard and it's worrying. They assure me that sport is their best ally.

The more options the better chance of creating interest. These blokes hope all sports get optimum promotion
Rugby League, Rugby Union, Soccer, Cricket, Basketball, Hockey, Athletics, Cycling, Golf, Motorcross, Swimming, Martial arts, Baseball, Tennis and even AFL are already available for them. Tell me why refugees (which Islander kids aint) need GWS?
 

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This is exactly why the AFL 'invasion' doesn't worry me one bit.

The AFL has to artificially create a team, then somehow drum up interest. There's groups fighting tooth and nail to be admitted into the NRL. Dots in the map are important, but at least in rugby league these dots want our sport.

The worst part is they don't come along to try and just have a small presence. They want to take over and kill the sport. All their BS about AFL taking over is like spitting in the faces of NRL fans (which coincidently is what Western Sydney is full of).

It's an invasion and they think the people of Sydney are dumb enough to fall for it. I think they are going to be proven wrong and their decision to throw away 100's of millions of dollars trying is going to come back and bite them.
 

Billythekid

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that is why the AFL are buying off councils for exclusive favours and getting them to ban all other sports

That's why casual league fans are turned off from watching AFL (ok besides it being a boring sh*tfest). No matter how much they try and hide or spin it we all know exactly what their intentions are and we would be stupid to support it.
 

POPEYE

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Rugby League, Rugby Union, Soccer, Cricket, Basketball, Hockey, Athletics, Cycling, Golf, Motorcross, Swimming, Martial arts, Baseball, Tennis and even AFL are already available for them. Tell me why refugees (which Islander kids aint) need GWS?

Why are you worried about AFL. Scared kids may find it a better game? AFL is played in central west NSW but that doesn't stop the area supplying league players to Sydney.

Of course there are no islander gangs in NSW . . . my mistake. They're all here on holidays
 

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For greater good: how the west will be won

Phil Gould

August 14, 2011

The three months I have now spent as general manager of the Penrith Panthers has been without doubt one of the most stimulating periods of my sporting career. It has been one long mission of discovery. Internally, the hits just keep on coming. Our football club and licensed club have had to deal with the everyday roles, responsibilities and dramas of running a professional sporting and hospitality business. Panthers Group, which includes 14 licensed clubs around NSW, faces some serious challenges, not the least of which has been recovering from some extremely tough financial times over the past five years.

This won't happen overnight. But I have learned enough to know that if it wasn't for the current board of directors, the strong leadership of chairman Don Feltis and the expertise of group chief executive Ric Simpson, this club would've been gone long ago. Feltis in particular has been outstanding in this regard. He knows the club and the area so well. His passion for junior rugby league and his beloved Panthers can never be questioned. The club is not out of the woods but the bleeding has stopped and there aredefinite signs of recovery. This board has done an outstanding job and I am exceedingly confident in their ability to steer this club back to full capacity in the coming years.

If anything goes wrong with the Panthers in rugby league, blame me. It will not be the board's fault. They will get the licensed club side of things humming soon. I am equally confident the football program will also improve in time. This club urgently requires three solid years of intense development coaching. We will get there. I have to commend Steve Georgallis and the players for continuing to give their best every week even though the wins have been hard to come by. Injuries to key players have not helped. Neither have a few discipline issues. Better days are ahead. Our strategies for the football and marketing of the club are developing nicely. Again, it will take time and our aim is to continue to increase our support and visibility among our valuable junior league clubs. They are the lifeblood of the Panthers. Externally though, the challenges are enormous.

WESTERN SYDNEY

As I pointed out in my column last week, western Sydney is a lot bigger than just Penrith. Our area is growing faster than anywhere else in the entire country.The key demographics of western Sydney indicate:

❏ The population is above 1.96 million - or one in every 11 Australians;

❏ Population density by region is the largest in Australia;

❏ The region is larger than the cities of Brisbane and Perth by population.

❏ Western Sydney is predicted to be home to 2.9 million people by 2030;

❏ More than 600,000 of these people were born overseas, mainly Vietnam, the UK, the Middle East, Pacific Islands, China, India and New Zealand.

Our area has changed so much in the 17 years since I last lived and coached here. The development of housing in the strip from Blacktown out through new growth areas to Rouse Hill and beyond is staggering. In 10 years, the sleepy little town of Riverstone could be one of our biggest junior league nurseries - unless, of course, the AFL gets there first.
As I warned in my column last Sunday, at current rates, that is a distinct possibility given that the AFL has a specific strategy for this growing area and the NRL does not.

If league is to ensure its longevity and prosperity in its heartland, it must establish a much-needed platform that addresses the critical issues facing society. Many of Sydney's western parts are under privileged. Many kids never get the opportunity to participate, realise their potential and, most importantly, have fun in this great game. Equally, many kids in western Sydney aren't involved in rugby league due to cultural differences, physical size differences, and social or financial disadvantage. Western Sydney has the largest indigenous population of any area in Australia. Issues of education and job opportunities are obvious. Although the NRL has programs that touch on these issues on a broader scale, there needs to be a more concerted effort in western Sydney, where the numbers are greater. To really help the community, rugby league can assist in programs that:

❏ Enhance community participation in promoting healthy lifestyles;

❏ Support the fight against obesity among children in western Sydney;

❏ Identify and assist needy sections of the community that require support (financial, emotional or physical). Through the vehicle and profile of rugby league, we can implement programs that genuinely improve or enhance lives;

❏ Promote rugby league among people from non-traditional ethnic
backgrounds, and enhance community cultural integration;

❏ Create a path and progression plan for young talent in western Sydney to maximise their skills, their future and their value to society.
Again, the NRL scratches the surface on many of these issues. The brilliant Panthers on the Prowl initiative is a wonderful program and helps so many young kids. However, it is still not enough. We can and we need to do more.

We need to look at ways to:

❏ Pioneer a new school campaign designed specifically for the diversity of western Sydney;

❏ Establish a western Sydney centre of rugby league excellence;

❏ Establish a western Sydney community centre designed to promote well-being, rehabilitation, career directions, emotional support, plus a host of other key services;

❏ Establish a commercially viable self-funding business model;

❏ Establish a variety of attractive programs to secure significant corporate and government investment;

❏ Create and implement a modified game to encourage cultural diversity. Boys, girls, youth, women and older men - plus people with physical or emotional limitations - could participate.

In my meetings with current development groups such as ARL Development and the NSWRL Western Academy, they agreed that the good outcomes they strive for in these areas are severely restricted by lack of funding, lack of staff and the fact they operate under too many brand names unrecognisable to the kids they aim to serve. The National Centre of Indigenous Excellence at Redfern is one of the greatest sporting, educational and community assets I have ever seen. It is a credit to those who built it and who now implement the programs. It has completely changed life for the better in Redfern.


We desperately need a facility of this magnitude in western Sydney. As I mentioned last weekend, the AFL has plans for a $32 million centre of excellence, built primarily with government funding, in this so-called heartland of rugby league :crazy:. If the AFL can provide solutions to all the above issues, in a brand new and highly visible community facility, who do you think will eventually win the hearts and minds of the people of western Sydney? I think it is highly unfair if the AFL is permitted to own the only such community facility on its own. My information is only one such facility will be built in western Sydney for the time being. I also find it extremely confusing that the NRL has not been more proactive in trying to establish such an important link with the people of the rugby league heartland. At the very least, if the NRL cannot get funding to build a facility of its own, it should be looking to co-operate with all the major sports in Australia to build an even bigger version of the Redfern facility. Why sit back and allow the AFL to provide all this on its own?

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...will-be-won-20110813-1irxh.html#ixzz1V11v1nOm
 

Lockyer4President!

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built primarily with government funding

I don’t get it. Would the Vic government ever build an NRL academy in the middle of Melbourne?

Why does the NSW government persist with giving handouts to a foreign sport that literally no-one follows when there are a shitload more important things to spend it on?
 

bartman

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Stop doing it through the media Gus, for your own glory.

Get busy and pop your hand up to cooperate with Gallop and the rest of the league world, and bring your thinking and energy into the fold if you really care want it to count.
 

Dragon

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Promote rugby league among people from non-traditional ethnic
backgrounds, and enhance community cultural integration;

This is a really important point imo. Good article
 

NrlCoach

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I don’t get it. Would the Vic government ever build an NRL academy in the middle of Melbourne?

Why does the NSW government persist with giving handouts to a foreign sport that literally no-one follows when there are a shitload more important things to spend it on?
Guess whos the Minister for Sport and Recreation?























Graham Annesleythe former Chief Operating Officer of the National Rugby League!!!

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Maybe Gus should email him regarding the $32 million centre of excellence.
 
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thorson1987

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:clap: Exactly.

If AFL is increasing it's presence simply to get involved in kids sport, to give kids that are for some reason disenfranchised with League or Soccer (or union, hockey or anything else) then I applaud it. But it isn't. They are looking at the juniors only as a fuel to supply the GWS AFL team - both in terms on player talent and crowd support.

Dont get me wrong, kids are trying AFL. They are up here, but too often for them the kids play a few games and then wonder "Why am I doing this?". One of my boys had a mate who was heavily influenced by his Victorian uncle and genius mother to play AFL, and they put pressure on my lad to follow suit (he had already given League and Soccer a go). I said to him that it was his choice, but reminded him that he doesnt really follow the sport, and he should do what he wants to do regardless of what pressure he gets. He didnt in the end. Another mate did join, and now wonders why.

Why do they wonder why? Simply because AFL is not part of our social psyche. We all know it's there - we have been getting it rammed down our throats for decades. They threw Lew Richards and Ron Barassi at us when the Swans came up. They called Barassi the Super Coach (Barassi was a credible bloke, intelligent, talented, respectful. And not a patch on Jack Gibson). Now they throw Sheedy, a poorer version of Barassi mixed with the arrogance of Steve Visard, the stupidity of Mark Jackson and the senility of Bruce Ruxton, a zilloin dollars with a slick marketing campaign and the same attitude of Cortez when he landed in South America, saw a billion Inca decendents and proclaimed the place was empty.

GWS, train at Blacktown, marketed at Blacktown, claim to be Blacktown, active in keeping NRL clubs away from Blacktown, dominating sporting news in Blacktown, throwing money planting four stick at ovals in Blacktown, self appointed as the sporting saviours of Blacktown. Live in Canada Bay, play at Homebush.

That falsehood swept-under-the-carpet tactic might work in Queensland, but it is easily detected by the very accurate bullsh*t meters in Blacktown.

6 months ago I was in Blacktown. I entered a sports store in Westpoint. There was Parra and Penrith gear everywhere, and the owner made it very obvious that they were Dragons supporters. GWS? Nothing.

The AFL's Independent Commission has given them the most horrible investment advice in living memory. Worse even than "Invest in the great Synagogue Building Program" in Germany in 1936. Worse than canned wine. Worse than the Leyland P76. Worse than life membership of the Adelaide Rams. Worse than "How to win a grand final" by Brian Smith.

This makes me worry about our Independent Commission, but at least we have areas that WANT an team.

:clap::clap::clap:

Very good post Strat. agree 100%
 

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