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Alex McKinnon possibly Quadriplegic - Mclean guilty of dangerous throw - 7 weeks

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Mr Angry

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I was told by the paramedics as they cut him out of ths car he had great trouble breathing and could not feel his arms and legs...they feared quadriplegic.

The surgeon told this was normal, when the body detects an injury in this area it will stop sending signals and pretty much shuts down everything but basic fuctions.

A snap is not recovorable, a bend is, severity differs, and immediate care, which Alex did have.

Sadly I know a lot on this.
 

lockyno1

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The only thing I hope is that the NRL learns from this. It was an ugly tackle and one which the Storm fruitloop gets 8+ weeks for it. However the main thing is to learn and put rules in place to stop this again.
 

Apey

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And you are, they are my opinions - that is all, which I'm entitled to have.

lol you have been trumpeting these 'opinions' as fact and more informed than professionals, saying bluntly that they're wrong and their advice is incorrect and dangerous, you dickhead.

What about this analogy, your employer tells you that it is ok to take a certain action. That action leads to a workplace injury, you than find out the action that caused the injury was not ok. Who would be in the wrong, the employee, the action or the employer?

In this analogy, does the victim find out that the action was not okay from a nobody on an internet forum who may or may not have brain damage?
 

DURRRHURRR

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Having myself suffered a major C3/C4 injury in a tackle, I have a real affinity for this situation. I was lucky enough to be able to walk out of North Shore hospital's spinal ward after major surgery and rehab and I'm praying that Alex will be able to do the same.

Memo to NRL - PLEASE do the right thing and make tackles involving lifting beyond the horizontal an automatic send-off offence.

My thoughts are with you Alex.


I like your idea in principle but the reality is this rule would make more players tuck the neck in like Mckinnon did. As soon as you get somewhere near the horizontal put your neck and hopefully torso aswell down and you will earn and instant send off for the opposing player. For me the answer is simply no lifting whatsoever in a two or more man tackle, I think it is too hard to take away from a 1 man tackle as momentum does funny things sometimes, especially in a low 1 on 1 tackle.
 

footy75

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my thoughts are with Alex. hate to see this kind of thing

horrible accident but zero malice in it

Smith was just explaining to the ref that these tackles had been occurring all game...and he was extremely concerned for the lads welfare believe it or not.
 

El Diablo

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i'm in shock that the DT allowed this as usually they lay in the boot http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ing-neurosurgeon/story-fni3fbgz-1226865692668

Alex McKinnon tackle ‘a terrible, terrible accident’ says leading neurosurgeon

Nick Walshaw
The Daily Telegraph
March 27, 2014 12:00AM

THE Sydney neurosurgeon who brought Ben Ross back to rugby league has described the controversial Alex McKinnon tackle as “a terrible, terrible accident”.

A leading spinal specialist who has previously consulted to the NRL, Dr Richard Parkinson, last night told The Daily Telegraph how McKinnon — who fractured his neck in Monday Night Football — had received the type of “hyperflexion” injury usually associated with car accidents or swimmers being dumped onto a sandbar.

However, after reviewing several replays of the incident, the specialist said he could not blame McKinnon’s predicament on the tackle involving Melbourne defenders Jordan McLean, Jesse Bromwich and Kenny Bromwich.

McKinnon remains in an induced coma at The Alfred Hospital, Melbourne — having already undergone emergency surgery to repair fractures to the C4 and C5 vertebrae in his neck.

A devastated McLean, meanwhile, has been referred directly to the NRL judiciary for his role in the tackle and stood down indefinitely.

“But to me, the whole thing seems to be an unfortunate accident,’’ Dr Parkinson told The Daily Telegraph.

“It appears that rather than the tackle, it’s the weight of two players coming down on Alex which has caused the injury.

“The neck was definitely flexed, and I would think the significant damage caused, when those guys came down on top of him. I feel terribly sorry for Alex and my thoughts are with him and his family. It’s just one of those things where, looking at the footage, I’m not sure anyone has done anything wrong.”

Back in 2009, Dr Parkinson spent almost three hours repairing a ruptured disc that was pressing onto the spinal cord of then South Sydney forward Ben Ross.

Part of the surgery also required the Queenslander’s sixth and seventh cervical vertebrae to be fused together.

“Ben’s injuries were the result of a terrible accident, which also seems to be the case in this instance,’’ Dr Parkinson continued.

“The difference between the two, however, is that Ben didn’t have a fracture — he didn’t break the bone and have that instability.

“With Alex, and I can only talk in general terms, it sounds like there are bones floating around and there’s instability. That usually requires a fusion where the bones have to be knitted together with instrumentation.”

The rugby league community has rallied around McKinnon since the young Knight fell awkwardly in a three-man tackle on Monday night.

While club officials released no further statements on Wednesday, it’s understood the back-rower could remain in an induced coma for several days to keep the neck stable while also allowing swelling from his initial surgery to subside.

Yesterday, McKinnon’s parents, Scott and Kate, and his partner Teigan Power issued a statement to thank the public for their support during ‘‘a challenging time for everyone who loves Alex’’.

Despite being stood down indefinitely, it’s understood McLean is so distraught with the situation he would have been an unlikely starter against Canterbury this Saturday night.

Late Tuesday, the 22-year-old used his private Facebook account to post the following message of support: “Best wishes go out to Alex McKinnon I genuinely hope your (sic) alright and have a safe recovery.”

Meanwhile, the McKinnon family statement read: ‘‘We wish to thank the public and the media for the tremendous support and words of concern we have already received for our son and partner, Alex,’’ it read.

‘‘He remains in a critical but stable condition at The Alfred Hospital and is receiving the very best care.

‘‘Alex’s injury is still in its early days and we are still in the process of understanding its implications and what the future may hold for him.

‘‘This is a challenging time for everyone who loves Alex and, until such a time that we are feeling stronger, we ask that our family’s privacy is respected so that we can focus solely on his recovery.’’

NRL head of football Todd Greenberg has not set a date for the judiciary hearing “out of respect for the McKinnon family”, members of whom are in Melbourne and keeping a bedside vigil by the 2012 Junior Kangaroo.
 

DURRRHURRR

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my thoughts are with Alex. hate to see this kind of thing

horrible accident but zero malice in it

Smith was just explaining to the ref that these tackles had been occurring all game...and he was extremely concerned for the lads welfare believe it or not.


He handled it all wrong, shoulda gone in Leilua style and taunted the injured player
 
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magpie4ever

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Whose to say I am not a lawyer. Even if your opinion was some how proven by a court to be correct it would only be regarded as a contributing factor. It would not mitigate responsibility for the actions of the tackler in placing McKinnon in a dangerous position. For your opinion to be correct & the Knights to be the only ones to blame you would have to find an expert medical witness that could prove that the bending of the neck was the sole contributing factor in the injury. I highly doubt you would find a spinal expert who would disregard all other factors eg taking the weight of 3 footballers on the neck region, the tacklers driving a player into the ground in a horizontal position etc etc.

You didn't answer my question, you must be a lawyer or politican.

Look it is a terrible situation - I feel for Alex and his family, I also feel for young McLean, who would be feeling terrible.

My point is: in such a tackle the worst you can do is submit. Natural instincts would be to brace with you arm/s and fight the action with your body, neck and head by flexing backwards.

Don't worry, bio-mechanical experts will probably have their say, if this kid (McLean) is used by the NRL for public opinion purposes.

It was a sad accident, but and I feel terrible for Alex - he shouldn't have submitted - if that was advice from the club, I (and it is my opinion) believe it was the wrong advice.
 

PoWdErFiNgEr84

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And you are, they are my opinions - that is all, which I'm entitled to have.

What about this analogy, your employer tells you that it is ok to take a certain for action. That action leads to a workplace injury, you than find out the action that caused the injury was not ok. Who would be in the wrong, the employee the action or the employer?

Using your workplace example, how about this situation. An engine blows up on a plane, as instructed by their employer, a flight attendant takes the brace position & is subsequently injured. The accident is caused by a fault in the engine & was not caused by any direct action of Airline. Is the airline solely responsible for the injury to the flight attendant because they recommend that flight attendants & passengers take the brace position in the event of an emergency & therefore the engine manufacturer, who actually caused the accident, has absolutely no case to answer?
 

Mr Angry

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I will state for the record the responsibility sits with the governing body, the NRL.

Not the young fella, not the clubs, the governing body.

Anything legal will be there.
 

magpie4ever

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lol you have been trumpeting these 'opinions' as fact and more informed than professionals, saying bluntly that they're wrong and their advice is incorrect and dangerous, you dickhead.



In this analogy, does the victim find out that the action was not okay from a nobody on an internet forum who may or may not have brain damage?

Again, DICKHEAD
 

magpie4ever

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Using your workplace example, how about this situation. An engine blows up on a plane, as instructed by their employer, a flight attendant takes the brace position & is subsequently injured. The accident is caused by a fault in the engine & was not caused by any direct action of Airline. Is the airline solely responsible for the injury to the flight attendant because they recommend that flight attendants & passengers take the brace position in the event of an emergency & therefore the engine manufacturer, who actually caused the accident, has absolutely no case to answer?

Yeah, politican. Ask a question not to answer a question.
 

magpie4ever

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I will state for the record the responsibility sits with the governing body, the NRL.

Not the young fella, not the clubs, the governing body.

Anything legal will be there.

Multiple player lifting tackles should have been taken out of the game, years ago. Reward the low tackle, not the multi-player wrestling tackle.
 

seanoff

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i think in this case the NRL are in it all the way up and possibly over their heads.

any decent lawyer will be bringing in video which will basically be a mix tape of all the unpenalised lifting tackles in the NRL. there was more than one in this game alone.

it's not even tacit approval of negligent action, it is direct approval.

if, god forbid he ends up severely disabled, the NRL, the players involved, the clubs and the refs could be up for a fortune.

any defence will argue that he contributed to his own demise by ducking his head.
if it gets to court it could be very ugly.
 

El Diablo

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i don't see it any different

there are players who end up quadriplegics in Yawnion/League and other sports every year at much lower levels of the game and they end up with zilch

i've met a few
 

seanoff

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i don't see it any different

there are players who end up quadriplegics in Yawnion/League and other sports every year at much lower levels of the game and they end up with zilch

i've met a few

slightly different.

this is his job. he almost has to take action for loss of income if it comes to that.

he'll have access to high powered lawyers even if he doesn't go to them, they'll come to him. Parra's sponsor will probably be putting together a brief as we speak, as will Slater and Gordon and many others.

he won't be guilted into not taking action. lower down. "oh mate you can't do that it'll kill the comp. think about the kids mate". "Fred's a good bloke it was just an accident" etc etc

he has irrefutable video evidence.

some of the people you've met don't have any of this. they don't have the money to afford the lawyers and sometimes (possibly mostly) don't know their entitlements.

law is all about money. the better lawyers you can afford the more likely you are to get something out of it. for the average battler, no hope.
 
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